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Self-sufficiency is the state of not requiring any aid, support, or interaction, for survival; it is therefore a type of personal or collective autonomy. The term self-sufficiency is usually applied to varieties of sustainable living in which nothing is consumed outside of what is produced by the self-sufficient individuals. Examples of attempts at self-sufficiency include simple living, homesteading, off-the-grid, survivalism, DIY ethic and the back-to-the-land movement. Practices that enable or aid self-sufficiency include autonomous building, permaculture, sustainable agriculture, and renewable energy. The term is also applied to limited forms of self-sufficiency, for example growing one's own food or becoming economically independent of state subsidies. Read more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sufficiency

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emergency preparedness UK 29 Dec 2013 11:51 #221

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Well your flapping about worrying about your water tell my why?
Just fucking boil it...
Not an answer merc. It fails on many levels in regard to sustainability. Short term, a big help. Long term not so good.
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knobmeup wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Well your flapping about worrying about your water tell my why?
Just fucking boil it...
Not an answer merc. It fails on many levels in regard to sustainability. Short term, a big help. Long term not so good.

Really, well when you actually need to use survival techniques, the clue is in the "survival" bit...Im talking about surviving not building a fucking commune :rofl:

Quick clarification for you:
Phase 1 urgent immediate survival
Phase 2 Stability of situation
Phase 3 build your commune..but you wont be in a life threatining situation by the time your ready to do that ;)
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I always piss my self laughting when the SHTF subject comes up which includes survival techniques, several questions you need to ask yourself about survival blah blah blah.

How are you going to end up in a survival situation that requires you to "live off the land", build your own shelters, make your own fires and locate your own food , whilst defending yourself ?
Plane crash in remote region, if you survive without serious injury, then good luck. Chances of that happening :iitm:

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emergency preparedness UK 29 Dec 2013 11:55 #224

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All good advice and as you say, suitable for a short term power cut scenario for example.
Tbf though, I bet the majority have a weeks worth of food in the cupboard anyway (cue tales of hand to mouth living caused by this and that), I'd be interested in expanding the discussion out from there.
In the longer term for example, water is likely to be a big issue. It will likely be around but not necessarily in a drinkable condition. I've used gravel and moss filters before. They work but only to a certain extent. As in if that water is seriously contaminated with pathogens, they won't clear them. What thoughts do you have on long term water supply, LW?

The gravel and moss type filters do work knob. I posted waaaay back about the experiment my daughters study group had to do at Uni. She followed the advice and construction of a filter system in the SAS book. When the pond water was tested it was 99% clear. The remaining 1% was no more than the harmless bacteria we drink daily out of the tap....with the addition of fluoride/chlorine added to that of course :)

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angelchemuel wrote:
knobmeup wrote:
All good advice and as you say, suitable for a short term power cut scenario for example.
Tbf though, I bet the majority have a weeks worth of food in the cupboard anyway (cue tales of hand to mouth living caused by this and that), I'd be interested in expanding the discussion out from there.
In the longer term for example, water is likely to be a big issue. It will likely be around but not necessarily in a drinkable condition. I've used gravel and moss filters before. They work but only to a certain extent. As in if that water is seriously contaminated with pathogens, they won't clear them. What thoughts do you have on long term water supply, LW?

The gravel and moss type filters do work knob. I posted waaaay back about the experiment my daughters study group had to do at Uni. She followed the advice and construction of a filter system in the SAS book. When the pond water was tested it was 99% clear. The remaining 1% was no more than the harmless bacteria we drink daily out of the tap....with the addition of fluoride/chlorine added to that of course :)

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the remaining 1% would of course be removed by boiling.
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:

Quick clarification for you:
Phase 1 urgent immediate survival
Phase 2 Stability of situation
Phase 3 build your commune..but you wont be in a life threatining situation by the time your ready to do that ;)
Indeed. Well done :thumbup:
Except....at phase 3.....you will be in a life threatening situation if you don't put in the infrastructure to supply drinking water....you prize plum :facepalm:
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the remaining 1% would of course be removed by boiling.
I reckon carbon. My gut says after going through the two processes, there'd be no need to boil. Which ofc is a more efficient use of resources.
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knobmeup wrote:
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the remaining 1% would of course be removed by boiling.
I reckon carbon. My gut says after going through the two processes, there'd be no need to boil. Which ofc is a more efficient use of resources.
I'd be inclined to boil it as well-just to be on the safe side.
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Well if none of you have taken the issue of repopulation seriously I can't help but question how seriously you believe in such a scenario.

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knobmeup wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:

Quick clarification for you:
Phase 1 urgent immediate survival
Phase 2 Stability of situation
Phase 3 build your commune..but you wont be in a life threatining situation by the time your ready to do that ;)
Indeed. Well done :thumbup:
Except....at phase 3.....you will be in a life threatening situation if you don't put in the infrastructure to supply drinking water....you prize plum :facepalm:

Hmmm this is where it gets complicated for the people who like to live a life in the bedroom.
Phase 1 requries water
Phase 2 requires water
So phase 3 if you want to build your commune....

Just another thought for you as I can guarentee Im the only one here who has experienced this...when the SHTF where does all the infrastructure go ?
Buildings?
Items in Buildings
Cars?
Look in your home now, knifes forks, everything...

Will the face of the earth be scoured clean :rofl: :coffee:
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Trust Oi, I take the process of repopulation, very seriously :chuckle:
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oioioi wrote:
Well if none of you have taken the issue of repopulation seriously I can't help but question how seriously you believe in such a scenario.

:coffee:
oh hell, there's always one that brings up the subject of bonking!! :chuckle: repopulation will happen all by itself, its natures way.
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lonewolf wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Well if none of you have taken the issue of repopulation seriously I can't help but question how seriously you believe in such a scenario.

:coffee:
oh hell, there's always one that brings up the subject of bonking!! :chuckle: repopulation will happen all by itself, its natures way.

But you don't give a fuck about anyone else, they've all died as a result...
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Just another thought for you as I can guarentee Im the only one here who has experienced this...when the SHTF where does all the infrastructure go ?
Buildings?
Items in Buildings
Cars?
Look in your home now, knifes forks, everything...

Will the face of the earth be scoured clean :rofl: :coffee:
Do you think you could live off the grid then, Einstein?
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
.when the SHTF where does all the infrastructure go ?
Buildings?
Items in Buildings
Cars?
Look in your home now, knifes forks, everything...

Will the face of the earth be scoured clean :rofl: :coffee:
No, but you're not getting the point. This isn't necessarily about a shtf event anyway. The way we get our drinking water today for example. Do you think that process, that infrastructure, is a sustainable way of doing it? Either post shtf or as a part of a conscious paradigm shift?
Cos I fucking don't :chuckle:

Edit. Btw my drinking water already comes from a bore hole 100 yards away. My surplus body fluids already go through a reed bed and off into the stream ;) Though I actually think composting them would be a better option. For larger families/communities there is also methane to be had :)
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emergency preparedness UK 29 Dec 2013 12:12 #236

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
I always piss my self laughting when the SHTF subject comes up which includes survival techniques, several questions you need to ask yourself about survival blah blah blah.

How are you going to end up in a survival situation that requires you to "live off the land", build your own shelters, make your own fires and locate your own food , whilst defending yourself ?
Plane crash in remote region, if you survive without serious injury, then good luck. Chances of that happening :iitm:

UK :killinme:

so-another unbeliever! so IGNORE anything that is said on the subject. Some people are interested, you obviously aren't.

Well your flapping about worrying about your water tell my why?
Just fucking boil it...if you cant start a fire your in the shit anyway :coffee:
I unlike you I have had top notch survival training, had to run for my life and survive in hostile environments. :smokn:

Answer this where will you need your survival techniques or when in the UK ?

Another fucking dork....go join Mikey on the naughty step you wombat! :bat:
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lonewolf wrote:
knobmeup wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
the remaining 1% would of course be removed by boiling.
I reckon carbon. My gut says after going through the two processes, there'd be no need to boil. Which ofc is a more efficient use of resources.
I'd be inclined to boil it as well-just to be on the safe side.

Well what's the bloomin' use in filtering water if your not going to boil it for a nice cuppa?! :D
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Just another thought for you as I can guarentee Im the only one here who has experienced this...when the SHTF where does all the infrastructure go ?
Buildings?
Items in Buildings
Cars?
Look in your home now, knifes forks, everything...

Will the face of the earth be scoured clean :rofl: :coffee:
Do you think you could live off the grid then, Einstein?
:killinme:
Well as your still a frequent member of the DI FORUM..why dont you just go into the survival section and see if I can live off grid :rofl:

Estuary living, with simple survival technique pictures even you could follow, taken by my trusty camera
Forest Survival, again simple pictures and techniques :killinme:
Fucking reams of pages, btw see if Trackers back :spank: :killinme:
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Well as your still a frequent member of the DI FORUM..why dont you just go into the survival section and see if I can live off grid :rofl:

Estuary living, with simple survival technique pictures even you could follow, taken by my trusty camera
Forest Survival, again simple pictures and techniques :killinme:
Fucking reams of pages, btw see if Trackers back :spank: :killinme:
What clothes would you wear while you were living off the grid?
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:

Estuary living, with simple survival technique pictures even you could follow, taken by my trusty camera
Forest Survival, again simple pictures and techniques
Any chance of you C+Ping some of that over here merc? There's no way I'm going there to look at it.
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