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Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 14 Jun 2012 19:23 #1

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  • Record labels hire students to hunt down peers who pirate music

  • Depending on who you talk to, downloading music online is either an unscrupulous crime or a free alternative to iTunes. Today's major record labels believe in the former, and they've spent the better part of the last decade trying to protect their property.

    But their latest measure to thwart copyright infringement is nearly the digital equivalent of a schoolmate ratting you out for skipping class.

    As Casey Chan of Gizmodo reports, record labels are using a student task force to seek out fellow students who illegally pirate music.

    "EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner are funneling money to an anti-piracy group called proMedia whose sole purpose is to hunt down copyright infringements," reveals Chan. "The company, according to one anonymous employee who works there, employs around 35 students who crawl and comb through forums, blogs and file hosting sites to find people who pirate music."
    The inside man, who TorrentFreak refers to only as 'Peter,' is a 26-year-old musician and student teacher. He has worked at proMedia's office in Hamburg, Germany, for the past four years.

    Using students to hunt down their own may seem odd to some, but as Charlie Osborne of ZDNet explains, it makes perfect sense.

    "Who best to hunt down prolific pirateers than those who arguably understand the technology involved more than other age groups?" asks Osborne. "Students. Known for their free exchange and grabbing of files protected by copyright law, from music to books and television shows, it does seem that often when one reads legislation drafted in order to try and combat the issue, a basic fundamental understanding of how you acquire such files online is lacking. (SOPA comes to mind)."

    In addition to trolling Google to search blogs and forums, Peter and his peers engage in what TorrentFreak describes as "the most controversial anti-piracy work — tracking down file-sharers on P2P networks such as BitTorrent in order to extract cash settlements from them."

    "According to Spiegel, the BVMI (Bundesverband Musikindustrie - The Federal Association of Music Industry in Germany) reports that it closed (read: settled or gave up on) 13,562 civil cases on behalf of the labels in 2008 alone (more recent data was not provided). As revealed by an earlier TorrentFreak investigation, there is big money to be made from these settlements. Universal, Warner and EMI look for around 1,200 euros per time, with Sony requesting around 950 euros."
    As of now, this particular practice seems to have limited its reach to the borders of Europe. But similar penalties for copyright infringement could find their way across the pond in the coming months.

    "The MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) and RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America), helped by all major Internet providers in the United States, will begin to warn and punish copyright infringers in the months to come," according to a TorrentFreak report.

    "Those caught sharing copyright works will receive several warning messages and subsequent punishment if they continue to infringe. The parties agreed on a system through which copyright infringers are warned that their behavior is unacceptable. After five or six warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures."
    "Though the rules of the road have been lodged, it's only people's games you've got to dodge.."
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 14 Jun 2012 19:34 #2

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    All part of a long term program
    Planned Volunteer-Informant Corps Elicits '1984' Fears
    by Ellen Sorokin

    As part of the country's war against terrorism, the Bush administration by next month wants to recruit a million letter carriers, utility workers and others whose jobs allow them access to private homes into a contingent of organized government informants

    Published on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 in the Washington Times
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 00:49 #3

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    ProMedia... Anonymous, you know what to do. :thumbup: :D
    On a serious note, I do agree that it certainly has Orwellian undertones. The scary thing is there are likely people out there who would jump at the chance do this. Some people love that power-trip. That's one of the less than desirable sides of human nature I guess.
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 00:51 #4

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    Mrindigo wrote:
    ProMedia... Anonymous, you know what to do. :thumbup: :D
    On a serious note, I do agree that it certainly has Orwellian undertones. The scary thing is there are likely people out there who would jump at the chance do this. Some people love that power-trip. That's one of the less than desirable sides of human nature I guess.

    Point of order.

    That's one of the less than desirable sides of capitalism.

    Their 'nature' is being co-opted by a need for money by themselves and their masters.
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 00:56 #5

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    oioioi wrote:
    Mrindigo wrote:
    ProMedia... Anonymous, you know what to do. :thumbup: :D
    On a serious note, I do agree that it certainly has Orwellian undertones. The scary thing is there are likely people out there who would jump at the chance do this. Some people love that power-trip. That's one of the less than desirable sides of human nature I guess.

    Point of order.

    That's one of the less than desirable sides of capitalism.

    Their 'nature' is being co-opted by a need for money by themselves and their masters.

    True, but there always people who seem to get some form of satisfaction when screwing over others, capitalism or not. Capitalism just rewards that behavior. People like being rewarded, as it's a sign of social acceptance. Thus you have people emulating this behavior who may otherwise not act this way. They see the others doing it, and want that same recognition.
    Form is merely a momentary manifestation of being, not a fixed reality.

    History doesn't repeat itself, uninformed people repeat history.

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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 01:03 #6

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    Mrindigo wrote:

    True, but there always people who seem to get some form of satisfaction when screwing over others, capitalism or not. Capitalism just rewards that behavior. People like being rewarded, as it's a sign of social acceptance. Thus you have people emulating this behavior who may otherwise not act this way. They see the others doing it, and want that same recognition.

    Capitalism gives an abstract rather than direct reason for doing so.

    I seek social rejection, in some ways, I assume it means I'm going against the flock! Seems to attract a better standard of peers. Contradiction? :dunno:
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 01:07 #7

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    It might seem mad, but the evidence that piracy loses artists money is quite lacking. In fact many artists are quite happy to give their stuff away for free and make their money in other ways through sponsorship & touring etc.
    When tape was invented, 'it's the end of the music industry etc'
    These things constantly evolve, and there is now more music being released than ever before - because people can do it all themselves.. write it, produce it, market it, sell merchandise, organise tours & have a fan base all online.
    If the corporations that (think they) dictate the music industry are losing out because there is less need for a middle man and they've failed to keep up with how the market works, who gives a toss?
    They're not in it for the music.
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 01:15 #8

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    oioioi wrote:
    Mrindigo wrote:

    True, but there always people who seem to get some form of satisfaction when screwing over others, capitalism or not. Capitalism just rewards that behavior. People like being rewarded, as it's a sign of social acceptance. Thus you have people emulating this behavior who may otherwise not act this way. They see the others doing it, and want that same recognition.

    Capitalism gives an abstract rather than direct reason for doing so.

    I seek social rejection, in some ways, I assume it means I'm going against the flock! Seems to attract a better standard of peers. Contradiction? :dunno:

    I agree. It's funny how you point out the contradiction of going against the flock to find better quality peers. It shouldn't make sense from a purely logical stance, but it works because of the way the system operates. What you said is very true, and reminds me of a quote from an American sports journalist, Howard Cosell.
    “What's right isn't always popular. What's popular isn't always right.”
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 01:24 #9

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    oioioi wrote:

    I seek social rejection, in some ways, I assume it means I'm going against the flock! Seems to attract a better standard of peers. Contradiction? :dunno:

    I can relate to that.
    “What’s right isn’t always pop­u­lar. What’s pop­u­lar isn’t always right.”

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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 10:20 #10

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    Mrindigo wrote:
    True, but there always people who seem to get some form of satisfaction when screwing over others, capitalism or not.

    I have to agree with MrIndigo: although capitalism rewards and institutionalises such behaviour, this is unfortunately a reality in all socio-economic systemss. From E.German Stasi to Casinos at Las Vegas and from the Stock Exchange to the Red Guards of the cultural revolution.

    Andyh posted an excellent article on the Authority driven personality and Jon Ronson has written an excellent boook on the bad bastards of our society called the psycopath test.
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 10:56 #11

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    Thread reminded me of this...

    interneteyes.co.uk/
    Internet Eyes is an online monitoring solution, allowing our registered members to view live CCTV camera feeds from our Business Customers, and notify them the instant a crime is observed.

    & yep, they get paid....
    1. A reward fund of a minumum of £1000 pounds per month will be shared between most vigilant members who have made the best contribution to the prevention or detection of a crime.
    2. A usage reward for time spent helping the community by monitoring live CCTV footage
    3. A reward for recommending a friend

    :(
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 12:00 #12

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    mikey mikey wrote:
    Andyh posted an excellent article on the Authority driven personality..

    Just so as we have it on this forum too...

    https://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

    Grab the pdf, download it and read at your leisure :)

    It explains pretty much everything.
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    Re: Record labels hire students to hunt down online pirates.... 15 Jun 2012 13:43 #13

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    andyh wrote:
    mikey mikey wrote:
    Andyh posted an excellent article on the Authority driven personality..

    Just so as we have it on this forum too...

    https://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

    Grab the pdf, download it and read at your leisure :)

    It explains pretty much everything.

    :O Nice....

    There's some points being raised here that I didn't think of.... all I was really looking at is how they pay kids to do this kind of thing, and they probably pay people to do a lot more in the way of fishing for info on sites to outright trolling. This kind of thing proves that this is not a paranoid idea, they're really doing this stuff.

    Needless to say, most of these kids doing the job are downloading music too. No couth whatsoever.
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