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Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 12:58 #1

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Following on from the recent banking 'technical issues' re Natwest/RBS..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18566048

...I'm hearing today that people's payments of child benefit, child tax credit, working tax credit etc are not being paid into their bank accounts as they should be. This is affecting Barclays customers amongst others.

Anyone here experiencing these problems?

Now, could this just be because the government bank through the Natwest/RBS group and their recent 'software problems' have caused a backlog that is causing the delays in payments, or is it the sign of something far more serious?

Because I'm also hearing about ATM's going down all over the place, Morrisons supermarket being unable to process debit card payments, etc etc.


You might want to (a) check your account balance, and (b) get as much cash out of there as you can asap..
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 13:28 #2

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Barclays too?
lol....
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 14:41 #3

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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 14:45 #4

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Ab Origine wrote:
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 14:48 #5

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Ab Origine wrote:
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Hmmm...

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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 15:12 #6

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oh what fucking joy....
gunna hit those who need it most as per....

add up your Direct Debits and only keep that amount in bank...the rest...try and get out and deposit into nearest Underbed Bank

wheres them NESARA funds promised by st Gez? anyone channel the bugger??? :D
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 15:20 #7

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oh what fucking joy....
gunna hit those who need it most as per....

add up your Direct Debits and only keep that amount in bank...the rest...try and get out and deposit into nearest Underbed Bank

wheres them NESARA funds promised by st Gez? anyone channel the bugger??? :D

Even the underbed bank is going to become useless at this rate :)
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 15:28 #8

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diamondgeezer wrote:

Because I'm also hearing about ATM's going down all over the place, Morrisons supermarket being unable to process debit card payments, etc etc.


You might want to (a) check your account balance, and (b) get as much cash out of there as you can asap..

Anyone else here having any of these problems or checked your banking details?
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 15:31 #9

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diamondgeezer wrote:

Because I'm also hearing about ATM's going down all over the place, Morrisons supermarket being unable to process debit card payments, etc etc.


You might want to (a) check your account balance, and (b) get as much cash out of there as you can asap..

Anyone else here having any of these problems or checked your banking details?

Nothing so far, I'm worried a bit about ulsterbank as I have an account there, first tuesday of july I'll know if I'm in trouble.
I have my main account with AIB (allied irish not anglo irish), although they are all a bunch of bumbling assholes imho.

The RBS boss had the gall to say that the errors had nothing to do with getting indian it outsourced support in and sacking 30,000 staff :roll:
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 15:35 #10

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The RBS boss had the gall to say that the errors had nothing to do with getting indian it outsourced support in and sacking 30,000 staff :roll:

Couldn't make it up eh :D
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 23:02 #11

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Umm.. I just want to run this by everyone, the link was posted elsewhere. I don't know what to think about it really....

news.sky.com/story/952931/fraud-ring-in-...g-attack-on-60-banks

By Pete Norman, Sky News Online

Sixty million euro has been stolen from bank accounts in a massive cyber bank raid after fraudsters raided dozens of financial institutions around the world.

According to a joint report by software security firm McAfee and Guardian Analytics, more than 60 firms have suffered from what it has called an "insider level of understanding".

"The fraudsters' objective in these attacks is to siphon large amounts from high balance accounts, hence the name chosen for this research - Operation High Roller," the report said.

"If all of the attempted fraud campaigns were as successful as the Netherlands example we describe in this report, the total attempted fraud could be as high as 2bn (£1.6bn)."

The automated malicious software programme was discovered to use servers to process thousands of attempted thefts from both commercial firms and private individuals.

The stolen money was then sent to so-called mule accounts in caches of a few hundreds and 100,000 euro (£80,000) at a time.

Credit unions, large multinational banks and regional banks have all been attacked.

Sky News defence and security editor Sam Kiley said: "It does include British financial institutions and has jumped over to North America and South America.

"What they have done differently from routine attacks is that they have got into the bank servers and constructed software that is automated.

"It can get around some of the mechanisms that alert the banking system to abnormal activity."

The details of the global fraud come just a day after the MI5 boss warned of the new cyber security threat to UK business.

McAfee researchers have been able to track the global fraud, which still continues, across countries and continents.

"They have identified 60 different servers, many of them in Russia, and they have identified one alone that has been used to steal 60m euro," Kiley said.

"There are dozens of servers still grinding away at this fraud – in effect stealing money."

I'm with natwest but haven't been able to check my bank yet but will do tomorrow morning..
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 23:08 #12

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bel wrote:
Umm.. I just want to run this by everyone, the link was posted elsewhere. I don't know what to think about it really....

news.sky.com/story/952931/fraud-ring-in-...g-attack-on-60-banks

By Pete Norman, Sky News Online

Sixty million euro has been stolen from bank accounts in a massive cyber bank raid after fraudsters raided dozens of financial institutions around the world.

According to a joint report by software security firm McAfee and Guardian Analytics, more than 60 firms have suffered from what it has called an "insider level of understanding".

"The fraudsters' objective in these attacks is to siphon large amounts from high balance accounts, hence the name chosen for this research - Operation High Roller," the report said.

"If all of the attempted fraud campaigns were as successful as the Netherlands example we describe in this report, the total attempted fraud could be as high as 2bn (£1.6bn)."

The automated malicious software programme was discovered to use servers to process thousands of attempted thefts from both commercial firms and private individuals.

The stolen money was then sent to so-called mule accounts in caches of a few hundreds and 100,000 euro (£80,000) at a time.

Credit unions, large multinational banks and regional banks have all been attacked.

Sky News defence and security editor Sam Kiley said: "It does include British financial institutions and has jumped over to North America and South America.

"What they have done differently from routine attacks is that they have got into the bank servers and constructed software that is automated.

"It can get around some of the mechanisms that alert the banking system to abnormal activity."

The details of the global fraud come just a day after the MI5 boss warned of the new cyber security threat to UK business.

McAfee researchers have been able to track the global fraud, which still continues, across countries and continents.

"They have identified 60 different servers, many of them in Russia, and they have identified one alone that has been used to steal 60m euro," Kiley said.

"There are dozens of servers still grinding away at this fraud – in effect stealing money."

I'm with natwest but haven't been able to check my bank yet but will do tomorrow morning..

Oh jesus christ :)

I dunno whether to laugh or cry tbh...
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 23:14 #13

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Whats going on andy? Do I sound thickety thick thick or is this the reason the banks have gone down??? :couch:
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 26 Jun 2012 23:43 #14

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Whats going on andy? Do I sound thickety thick thick or is this the reason the banks have gone down??? :couch:

I see it this way...

If the guys who run banks are willing to sack 30,000 staff and then let some IT outsourcing crowd from Bangalore do their IT systems then its not that surprising to hear shortly afterwards that money is disappearing into accounts in Russia etc.

It seems to most plausible explanation anyway, I always go for the greedy dumb idiots angle, it fits their profile :)
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 27 Jun 2012 03:52 #15

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Is this only going to affect the banks named or all banks?
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 27 Jun 2012 10:05 #16

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This is probably going to end up being a whole heap of banks.

Something positive might come out of it if we're lucky, starting with management valuing their IT staff for a change.
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 27 Jun 2012 13:58 #17

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How/why would anyone go to the trouble of nicking numbers off a screen to put them on their screen? Wouldn't it be easier/safer just to make the numbers on their screen convincing to other screens?
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 27 Jun 2012 14:11 #18

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How/why would anyone go to the trouble of nicking numbers off a screen to put them on their screen? Wouldn't it be easier/safer just to make the numbers on their screen convincing to other screens?

For that they have to have 'officially approved' screens :D
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 27 Jun 2012 17:46 #19

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andyh wrote:
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For that they have to have 'officially approved' screens :D

the term "officially approved" dunno....kinda takes me back *shudders* :norty:
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Re: Possible probs with your HMRC payments? A heads up.. 27 Jun 2012 17:49 #20

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andyh wrote:
This is probably going to end up being a whole heap of banks.

Something positive might come out of it if we're lucky, starting with management valuing their IT staff for a change.

I know you don't actually believe this to be a possibility...more to the pity.
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