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I dare say, this may be part of the reasons embassies are being attacked...

I started to watch that video and now I just want to kill myself to be honest.

Why i-baster? If you don't mind me asking.

I just hate to see dead babies, kids an adults for that matter. I know they died for no good reason and I know they were not the last. Just makes me despair at humanity. When one guy walks into a movie theatre and kills Americans then people condemn it but when bombs are dropped on other countries killing just as many people they act like no big deal.


I guess I just wonder why I had kids. Not feeling too happy about the world now.

i-baster wrote:
Coz if the good uns don't breed we truly are fucked in a generation or two!

I get that feeling i-baster. It's sad when our world can make us regret having our children...it comes down to, what are we really leaving them? A world and history to be proud of, or a piece of rock floating through space that has no real meaning to it.

And yes, I took the vid Oi posted and posted it on another, mainstream forum, and immediately got bad reactions to it like "it isn't an illegal war, we went through congress" and "it isn't our fault the REAL terrorists attack their own people" and immediately wanted to rip my own hair out at the pure stupidity flowing from them. Even provided links to Vietnam vet's opposing the war, and Iraq vet's opposing the war and still the stupid comments flowed in supporting the killing of innocent people.

Yeah in the documentary body of war these people were talking shit to this paralyzed veteran because he now opposes the war. These things just get to me. I guess some might call me a hotly man but I am just sensitive I think.

As far as gooduns I just feel we may be outnumbered sometimes.

i-baster wrote:
Try to deal the best you can,don't become depressed, just accept and be happy in the fact bad things bother you, and you don't have a cold callous mind, I hate cruelty also, and meanness, and self serving selfish people, but if you let your hate control you about thinking of these things, you may make yourself sick.

I should add my wife's iphone changed what I said. I didn't say hotly. I said girly.

i-baster wrote:
That seems to get worse as I get older. It grates on me real bad some days. I know how you're feeling

Sorry I don't have a more uplifting thing to say to you

i-baster wrote:
G'day I-baster.

I can comprehend your reasoning about your "despair at humanity".

Personally, I tear up a bit at such video clips because I see it in the opposite way. Returning soldiers speaking out against the establishment are courageous for doing so, and it gives me hope that such individuals that have been heavily indoctrinated into the killing system of the military have come out of the indoctrination and are speaking up about the reality of it.

Ultimately, these are the people that are required to change if the military industrial complex is going to be overthrown. That there are well over 10,000 US soldiers that have gone AWOL and refuse to serve is awesome. These are the people that I would love to hear from and would willing support.

It's the people that gave negative commentary to StarsChildren's posting of the video that require our opposition. Many of them are the truly despicable ones, for they support the killing machine without having been indoctrinated into it and do so as a conscience choice. They are the bottom feeders that willingly feed of others misery.

Here's a couple of clips of two great documentaries about the individuals from the Vietnam war / era that made a change, which is happening again today with veterans of the wars being conducted by the military industrial complex ...


"In the 1960's an anti-war movement emerged that altered the course of history. This movement didn't take place on college campuses, but in barracks and on aircraft carriers. It flourished in army stockades, navy brigs and in the dingy towns that surround military bases. It penetrated elite military colleges like West Point. And it spread throughout the battlefields of Vietnam. It was a movement no one expected, least of all those in it. Hundreds went to prison and thousands into exile. And by 1971 it had, in the words of one colonel, infested the entire armed services. Yet today few people know about the GI movement against the war in Vietnam.

The Vietnam War..."

Visit www.sirnosir.com


Winter Soldier investigation into war crimes during the Vietnam War. Film Released in UK and Ireland, www.stoneyroadfilms.com
"LIKE A LIVE HAND GRENADE BROUGHT HOME FROM A DISTANT BATTLEFIELD"
The New York Times
In 1971 Vietnam Veterans from all over the US came together to give testimony to the war crimes they had committed or witnessed in Vietnam.

Winter Soldier is the only record of that time. A deeply moving film showing the truth of war, and the shocking crimes committed in the name of democracy. You will never see such honesty or bravery as that of the men here who tell of things they never spoke of outside of their platoon. Nor hear of more terrible acts. But you will come to understand more about war and its consequences, and what is allowed to happen in our name.

I am sorry to say I didn't see all of the video so I did not comment on any soldiers. I have seen a lot of that winter soldier stuff when I had link tv. I also follow groups, and have friends from, groups like ivaw(Iraq veterans against war).

These things are great to see I agree but the suicide statistics in the military are another depressing thing. I feel like I hijacked the topic but did not intend to.

Must be my time of the month.

i-baster wrote:
You're talking about the effects of war, that's about as on topic as you get in here after a dozen posts!

oioioi wrote:
No, normally threads are pretty good here for staying on topic for at least a few pages. After that tangents naturall take on a life of their own.

I think you are just a little weary of your threads getting

By..er...

Remember: any discussion you may engage in is "off topic" and "spamming" but any actual spamming and derailment into endless "wochu mean by ..." obtuseness is er...freedom of speech. Oh and any criticism of certain sources, public figures or points of view is a curtailment of "Freedom of Speech"

You PC whore you.

I empathise with you i-blaster.
It's hard to sit through the reality of war without being disgusted by humans.
When you have kids imo it's worse because you can so easily project their faces onto the casualties and experience the horror their parents suffered as well.
You then understand why members of families would want to retaliate in kind, and with that, comes the realisation that capability lies within you and all it takes is the right trigger to activate it. Then you hate yourself.

War has never made sense to me but as long as it is marketed with fear, manipulated by those who want to retain their grasp on power and continues to generate unbelievable wealth for the soulless bastards who operate the arms trade it will remain a factor in each generations experience pretty much forever.

The best we can do is attempt to counter the brain-washing that enables it in our own limited, individual spheres.

i-baster wrote:
See...evil.

And .