You might already know about this, but there are plans afoot to introduce and intrusive and madatory job seekers computer system. Basically, it's a case of use it - or get yer benefits stopped.

Here are links:
mikesivier.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/univ...obseekers-home-grab/
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8806757...fits-crack-down.html

What do you make of this?

Another nail on the coffin. That's what I think of it.

Quotes like this seal it for me...

This is going to cause problems on a massive scale in a very short space of time.

I also noticed those. How is it even workable and what are they going to do about all the people who end up homeless and with no money?

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
I'm sure they'll think of something when those very same people start lynching them in the street.

Its doomed to fail, have you seen this article:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/b...-glitch-8303835.html

Kaiser wrote:
One could be forgiven perhaps, for thinking it was all deliberate.

Its almost like its planned!

thanks for the link Kaiser, interesting stuff. It's bound to happen I suppose, funny though.

I think it is pretty easy for them to push most people around.

They did measures like this in Australia almost 10 years ago...well it wasnt with said computer systems, but they made it very difficult to get unemployment benefits without getting work or working for benefits.

Kim Beasley (Rhodes Scholar, former opposition leader and now Ambassador to United States/hanging out with Hilary) ...made some comments such as we need this (the dole) towards PM at the time John Howard (who was instrumental in implementing these social changes)

To which Howard later replied (in public) "You didnt know we could push them that far"

So two different ideas from the crown puppets on either side, but yes the howard governments little social experiment worked out, no need to pay people unemployment for nothing, Beasley was wrong and over estimated people.

Beasley, like some here, thought it was necessary to leave the dole the way it was , or there would be social unrest. Makes sense in a way, but it didnt really eventuate...hence Howards comments about pushing people in the direction the elite want them pushed working just fine.

One of three things typically happened to most who just didnt want to work that i knew/knew of, and had spent many years getting the dole....1) They went to jail after moving into illegal activity 2) Became self employed, or 3) complied with the system and ended up in work.

It also reduces the 'official' unemployement levels imho as a number people who are officially in the system leave it one way or another, even if they arent earning a lot of money (or any) ...or they move into black money, or drug dealing/crime.

Most people are easy to push around imo, and what they are doing in the UK recently, making it difficult to get benefits for 'nothing' so to speak, well its already been trialled in other places, like Australia.

No worries, I thought it was to big news to just pass by but I only found that info today as well, posted it over there but it sank a death not one reply, this pedo quest is distracting.....

As for failing, well i think even if there are some issues with the tech, overall i think it is part of the globalists plan to reduce or remove benefits that are easy to get so to speak.

Even when people end up in jail they have that covered also, as we have discussed previously on SZ.

Private companies/corporations are making use of prison labour now and this trend will continue to grow. The politicians work with them. It means cheap labour.

So if people cant get the dole and act out, and get put in a cage, no problem, im sure they will find work for them also eventually.

novum wrote:
Aren't you Aussies alot more laid back than the Brits though?

And if they're basing their calculations on how the Australians reacted, they may have misjudged the situation somewhat. Personally, I think the measures outlined in that link are gonna open a shitstorm in this country.

Kaiser wrote: I was actually going to say before you posted this that I had heard of this proposed system, but having experienced government computer systems before it's quite probable that it won't work.

Let me tell you a tale about the e-borders project. Also quite sinister.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-borders
Good to see Serco in there. This project was given to Raytheon, who also do this:



They were to be paid £650 million to do this. But they couldn't do it, or couldn't be bothered. Eventually the government binned them off this project, although they'd already paid them nearly £200 million:

www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/raytheon_eborders/

So Raytheon sued them for £500 million:

www.defensenews.com/article/20110825/DEF...der-Deal-Termination

There are any number of other examples that I could give.

Of course, it's all very sinister and intended to help to build a panoptical surveillance state, but many of these government projects fall apart because they're too ambitious and they can't get people to build the IT. It's something to keep an eye on, though.

Its like max keiser said not long back.
Criminals are hoodies, not bankers.(as far as the govt and the dailymail are concerned)

psketti wrote:
I would hazard a guess that they are basing their calculations on this, yes.

I suppose/im guessing they just wanted to wait a while to make sure issues didnt eventuate in the test run.

psketti wrote:
It will be interesting to see the difference, if there is any.

As i said, i do probably expect the amount of people incarcerated to increase because of this, in countries where people arent as placid/drink a lot of fluoridated beer like a lot of australians.

But as i also said, imo they have that sorted out also, prisoners will be working more and more, and for much less than what they would earn on the outside....so the goverments dont have an issue with locking more people per capita up i think. Its what they want for people who dont/wont play ball in the new world.

We have read about prisons being built here on SZ where inmate populations are 'guaranteed' and so on by governments, i recall threads and posts about such things.

novum wrote: This is interesting, you're quite lucky with all the social experiments that get tried out over there, such as the Carbon Tax.
novum wrote: Here is an interesting video about one of the activities that private prison corporations get up to in the States.



Ultimately the reason there is a squeeze on benefit is because these people aren't profitable for the banking and corporate sector. The US has found a very efficient way to make them profitable. The UK is moving towards a private prison system as well, we have the highest percentage of prisoners in private prisons of any country in Europe.

andyh wrote:
Sure, and if people dont play ball one way or another, i think the states will have no issue in incarcerating more and more people.

Private corporations are contracted to build prisons, and prisoners are also being utilised as cheap labour once inside. This is on the increase.

And as always, the politicians will work with the corporations, so what they all want to achieve becomes parliament acts and laws and similar etc etc.

Thanks for sharing wake up.

One things that strikes me is that the minimum wage and cost of living/inflation have worked together to turn a majority of unskilled jobs and some skilled work these days into a prison sentence anyway. I think prison is where they have us already its just a sliding scale of how poor you are really, I hope in years to come we dont elect to go to prison for a bit of a break from 60 hour working weeks just to pay taxes and rent and maybe eat some scraps out there.. Of course you can wake up and opt out

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Well the carbon dioxide tax is here. And some industry leaders still arent getting answers from the government in regards to what will be exempt and what wont.

The rural/farming areas for one have been completely spooked by it as no one knows for sure (or trusts) if power bills and fuel for machinery will be exempt or not in the end. Rural/farm property sales have stalled and many real estate agents dont know what the hell is going on.

It is just another tax at the end of the day for most people, meaning less real money in their pockets, despite how the goverment tries to sweeten it with their propaganda.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I agree. I believe that they think of many of the things they want to achieve first, and then attempt to create the technology that can make it/help make it a reality. The tech is often playing catch up to the ideas. Predictive programming in films gone by comes to mind for one.

It cant always work out for them, but we know now they huff and puff and dont want to stop until the house blows down.

As for serco and raytheon, yes i will always argue that is two places people should be always looking, rather than at reptilians and moon spaceships for example.

andyh wrote:

Did you catch this: