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Re: shooting in colorado 13 Aug 2012 15:07 #241

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batou, thanks for the link; great read! It reminded me that I've often wondered if that Matrix scene when the glasses are reflecting the red pill and the blue pill was at all symbolic of 3D glasses.
I guess it's a bit off topic since the film wasn't 3D & new 3D glasses aren't red/blue but, well, fuck it! It's relevant to the article I just read so...
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"In the Fringe episode "The Firefly", Walter dons a pair of glasses with red and blue lenses to enable him to "see Roscoe's aura" so that he can "measure the depth of his hypnotic state". He mentions that they were created by an old friend, Dr. Jacoby from Washington state."
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What is the real reason for this thing occurring?

What is the real reason that these people had to be killed and wounded?

Tell me, please.

It just seems like a crazy guy to me.
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Re: shooting in colorado 14 Aug 2012 00:19 #243

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ronisron wrote:
What is the real reason for this thing occurring?

What is the real reason that these people had to be killed and wounded?

Tell me, please.

It just seems like a crazy guy to me.

Some of us have gone way beyond the "crazy guy" scenario. Some haven't. Read the thread.
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Re: shooting in colorado 14 Aug 2012 08:54 #244

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The judge has denied the media's request to lift the gagging order.

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Dave Mustaine, Megadeth Singer, Says Obama 'Staged' Aurora Shooting, Sikh Temple Shooting To Pass A Gun Ban (VIDEO)



During a recent show in Singapore during Megadeth's "Th1rt3en World Tour," Mustaine took to the mic from the stage to discuss his beliefs about some of the recent gun violence in America.

"Back in my country, my president," Mustaine begins and then pretends to gag himself with his finger, "is trying to pass a gun ban so he's staging all of these murders. The 'Fast and Furious' thing down at the border. And Aurora, Colorado, all the people that were killed there. And now, the beautiful people at the Sikh temple."

Mustaine went on to say, "I don't know where I'm going to live if America keeps going the way it's going because it looks like it's turning into Nazi America."

Watch the clip of Mustaine speaking above -- Segment about Obama and guns begins at 2:38.

The rest of the article's here...


www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/dave-m...th-si_n_1784525.html
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Re: shooting in colorado 18 Aug 2012 09:15 #246

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Irish heroine of Batman shooting spree drowns

Thursday August 16 2012

US president Barack Obama and his wife Michelle paid tribute to Jenny and her colleagues who are credited with saving the lives of some of those injured in the massacre.

PHD student James Holmes has been charged in relation to the shootings which left 12 people dead.

However, her family has now been plunged into a sense of grief of their own. Jenny was out swimming in a lake close to her home when she is believed to have drowned.

Her husband Greg Pinson and five-year-old son Jack are struggling to come to terms with the loss of a "wonderful mother".


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www.herald.ie/news/irish-heroine-of-batm...-drowns-3201886.html

I'm dreadfully sorry for the loss of this lady's life, and also for her young family having to cope with this.

My sincere apologies to anyone who finds my speculation in any way callous or in bad taste - but for an extremely fit, sporty woman to suddenly just drown - or, more accurately, according to the article, to have been 'Thought to have drowned', rings alarm bells.

I can't help but wonder if her first hand contact with the wounded led her to dangerous knowledge meaning she had to be disposed of. I hope that wasn't the case, but it does look a bit suspicious.
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Re: shooting in colorado 18 Aug 2012 14:01 #247

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Gilly wrote:
Dave Mustaine, Megadeth Singer, Says Obama 'Staged' Aurora Shooting, Sikh Temple Shooting To Pass A Gun Ban (VIDEO)



During a recent show in Singapore during Megadeth's "Th1rt3en World Tour," Mustaine took to the mic from the stage to discuss his beliefs about some of the recent gun violence in America.

"Back in my country, my president," Mustaine begins and then pretends to gag himself with his finger, "is trying to pass a gun ban so he's staging all of these murders. The 'Fast and Furious' thing down at the border. And Aurora, Colorado, all the people that were killed there. And now, the beautiful people at the Sikh temple."

Mustaine went on to say, "I don't know where I'm going to live if America keeps going the way it's going because it looks like it's turning into Nazi America."

Watch the clip of Mustaine speaking above -- Segment about Obama and guns begins at 2:38.

The rest of the article's here...


www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/dave-m...th-si_n_1784525.html

I didn't see this before I made a thread about it in General.... oh well. It is great to see this kind of thing.
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Irish heroine of Batman shooting spree drowns

Thursday August 16 2012

US president Barack Obama and his wife Michelle paid tribute to Jenny and her colleagues who are credited with saving the lives of some of those injured in the massacre.

PHD student James Holmes has been charged in relation to the shootings which left 12 people dead.

However, her family has now been plunged into a sense of grief of their own. Jenny was out swimming in a lake close to her home when she is believed to have drowned.

Her husband Greg Pinson and five-year-old son Jack are struggling to come to terms with the loss of a "wonderful mother".


The rest of the article's here...

www.herald.ie/news/irish-heroine-of-batm...-drowns-3201886.html

I'm dreadfully sorry for the loss of this lady's life, and also for her young family having to cope with this.

My sincere apologies to anyone who finds my speculation in any way callous or in bad taste - but for an extremely fit, sporty woman to suddenly just drown - or, more accurately, according to the article, to have been 'Thought to have drowned', rings alarm bells.

I can't help but wonder if her first hand contact with the wounded led her to dangerous knowledge meaning she had to be disposed of. I hope that wasn't the case, but it does look a bit suspicious.

It would be interesting to know if she saw something she shouldn't have, or gave some sort of statement that didn't jibe with "Yes, it was James Holmes, a nut who was clearly acting alone." This is right up there with the girl who had a near miss with a shooter in Toronto only to wind up being murdered in Aurora. Like one way or another, they were meant to be victims in this scenario.
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Re: shooting in colorado 18 Aug 2012 16:53 #249

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anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/28109989079/...-historic-bank-fraud

Great anonymous article.
KILLER DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE JAMES HOLMES - JAMES HOLMES BEING USED IN BLACKMAIL OF ROBERT HOLMES FINANCIAL FRAUD DETECTION EXPERT FOR FICO IN LIBOR SCANDAL.
James Holmes father Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the massive banking crime called the LIBOR Scandal where UK banks fixed the London Interbank Borrowing Rate with the complicity of the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve (which knew about this crime for 4 years and didn’t report it) and many other major Western banks.

Not known to the majority of those affected by this LIBOR rate scandal (which is everyone in the world) is that its historically low setting of interests rates since the beginning of the Global Financial Crisis of 2007-2012 has done more to destroy the life savings, stock investments and retirements of Americas middle class than any other single event in their entire history.

Even worse, according to this report, Holmes recently completed his work on what is called one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed that not only uncovered the true intent of this massive fraud, but is, also, able to trace the Trillions of Dollars “lost” to the exact bank accounts of the elite classes who have stolen it.

This Colorado massacre occurred within minutes of London’s Guardian News Service releasing report this past Saturday (21 July) titled “Wealth Doesn’t trickle Down – It Just Floods Offshore, Research Reveals” as Robert Holmes algorithms were said used to discover this massive fraud scheme.

Equally curious to note about this massacre is that the American intelligence website TheIntelHub.Com in their 23 July article titled “Hallmarks of a False Flag: Colorado University Held Identical Drill on Same Day as Aurora Theater Mass Shooting, Mind Control, and Multiple Suspects” states that just mere hours before this shocking crime was committed the Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine was holding an identical drill that simulated a shooter in a movie theater.

“False flag” events such as the Colorado massacre are actively planned for by the US Army as noted in their training manual titled “Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces”.

Ben Swann from their WXIX-FOX19 station out of Cincinnati, Ohio, who asks:

“Why did Holmes go to the expense and trouble of rigging his apartment with an array of deadly explosives and then immediately tell police about the bombs when he was arrested? If Holmes wanted to kill as many people as possible, why warn the cops ahead of time?

Given the fact that Holmes was a graduate student in neuroscience, where did he obtain the skills to create a maze of bombs so complex that it took the FBI two days to disarm them? According to experts, the intricacy of the bombs was reminiscent of war zones – how could Holmes have set all this up without help from an explosives expert?

Despite police claiming “every single indicator” tells them the shooting was a lone wolf attack, numerous witnesses have described accomplices. Initial police reports that suggested the involvement of two or more shooters were quickly buried and the lone wolf narrative aggressively pushed.

As Swann points out, eyewitnesses interviewed after the shooting such as Corbin Dates state that Holmes received a phone call from someone while he was inside the theater and responded by moving to the emergency exit, suggesting the call was an accomplice coordinating the attack.

Dates also said he saw Holmes by the exit door “signaling somebody or looking for somebody to come his way.
Another eyewitness added, “From what we saw he wasn’t alone – he had someone with him. Because the second can of tear gas didn’t come from his side.”

The real James Holmes apparently has been abducted (compare photos) to force FICO crime scientist Robert Holmes to not testify in LIBOR scandal — his expertise as scienfiic director at FICO investigating fraud by statistical patterns and expert in credit scoring analysis -

The real James Holmes is on the right. This imposter is on assignment and somehow has been assured of protection and is a pure sociopath earning a buck. If the real James Holmes has been taken then his parents, of course, know it. James’ father is a mathematician/statistician who works for FICO which scores our credit using among other things the inter-bank interest rate set by LIBOR. FICO is the eyes, the intelligence of lenders in discriminating among potential borrowers as risks. James Holmes was the lead developer of FICO’s fraud manager system for financial institutions. The LIBOR scandal which involves the biggest and most powerful merchant banking houses in the City of London is in the midst of the biggest fraud scandal in history. Here is money and motive enough to make conceivable a black-operation on the scale of the James Holmes frameup.

The bankers are major criminals and have been for sometime. They are criminals with trillions at their disposal. They control all strategic institutions of probably all major governments or are working towards that end. They need to know that no man in law enforcement or fraud detection can harm them, and so they have prepared means of intervening to prevent — by murder, blackmail, intimidation, bribery or psychological manipulation by methods developed in secret by the former Soviet Union, China, Israel and the officially denied equally unrestrained CIA and also mercenary intelligence and espionage services retained by high financial organized crime. What I am driving at is that operations like this may be on stand-by for any fraud investigator or honest politician or financial expert the banks legitimately employ. James Holmes may have been targeted early as the handle by which to control Robert Holmes if that is necessary.

Robert Holmes knows which of these to is his son and which is not.

Not only is the arm of the international banking crime syndicate (the “Jewish Mafia”) able to reach out and stop investigating statistician-mathematician -operations-analysis fraud investigators like Robert Holmes - they are also, very easily, able to keep police and defense attorneys from following the right lines of evidence. The resources to intimidate or bribe or otherwise control person after person to prevent an outcome or to force an outcome certainly exists, certainly is part of the defensive equipment of the most powerful criminal syndicate the world has seen.

The only defense the people have against the banking crime families is for the public to spread the word and all as one speak with a unified voice of public opinion. But of course the bankers can thwart that, as they have with 9-11, with the economic depression, with countless other crimes too big and too amazing even to believe when they are all listed on one page. (for example, weaponized weather modification and the ability to take control of planes. The fact that the prisoner in the Aurora shooting is not James Holmes. That a crime this elaborate and expensive could only be performed in the interests of the most powerful people on the planet — and they are the international bankers to whom this one country owe 14 trillion dollars — a good portion of which figure was determined by fraudulent manipulations of the LIBOR (inter-bank exchange rate) which has been set to favor the bankers rather than to reflect currently obtaining lending market conditions as it is represented as doing. This crime could spell the end of the international bankers — and that is why they went to such lengths to kidnap James Holmes and substitute this mass-murdering imposter in his place — and who we may shortly be hearing killed himself — I can’t see how they can let him go on public trial, or appear with his hair dyed back to its original color.

Holmes father:

Robert went on to earn a bachelor’s degree in mathematics at Stanford, a master’s in biostatistics at UCLA, and a doctorate in statistics at the University of California at Berkeley in 1981. His doctoral thesis was titled “Contributions to the Theory of Parametric Estimation in Randomly Censored Data.” He subsequently authored studies for the Navy and the Marine Corps on how to forecast personnel changes using something called “tree classifications,” the trees in question being statistical. Eventually, reports say, he signed on as a low-six-figure-a-year senior scientist with FICO, which produces management systems, fraud protection, and credit scores

Look at the picture in the above article.
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Re: shooting in colorado 18 Aug 2012 17:36 #250

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that pictures stupid lol hes smiling and his face getting wide, in the other hes probably fuckin stressed out. the rest of it im not so sure about its tl;dr without some kind of proof. hmm.. sound crazy, you know how now its bankers is our enemy. its the conspiracy empires focus. so its all over that article. i question the motives who concocted the picture and piece
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that pictures stupid lol hes smiling and his face getting wide, in the other hes probably fuckin stressed out. the rest of it im not so sure about its tl;dr without some kind of proof. hmm.. sound crazy, you know how now its bankers is our enemy. its the conspiracy empires focus. so its all over that article. i question the motives who concocted the picture and piece


That's not the only site talking about his dad testifying before the Senate, and that being a possible motive for why James Holmes may have been used. As for the picture, anonymous didn't create that side by side either. I'm thinking it might be two different people, it might be the same guy. It does make you consider the possibility. The bankers control the money flow. The saying goes "Follow the money trail", in this case it might lead right back to the source. The CIA has been working on mind control, and doing black ops for years. Who do they answer to? It sure ain't the US Government. Has to be somebody.....
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That's not the only site talking about his dad testifying before the Senate, and that being a possible motive for why James Holmes may have been used. As for the picture, anonymous didn't create that side by side either. I'm thinking it might be two different people, it might be the same guy. It does make you consider the possibility. The bankers control the money flow. The saying goes "Follow the money trail", in this case it might lead right back to the source. The CIA has been working on mind control, and doing black ops for years. Who do they answer to? It sure ain't the US Government. Has to be somebody.....

I haven't come across any supporting evidence that he was actually scheduled to appear to give evidence in the form of a court schedule etc. Having said that he certainly seems to have the qualifications and to be in a position for that to be a possibility. As for the banking Kabul, secret service and government ties it would be hard not to accept that that is the way business is done. The picture doesn't provide anything of substance IMHO.
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That's not the only site talking about his dad testifying before the Senate, and that being a possible motive for why James Holmes may have been used. As for the picture, anonymous didn't create that side by side either. I'm thinking it might be two different people, it might be the same guy. It does make you consider the possibility. The bankers control the money flow. The saying goes "Follow the money trail", in this case it might lead right back to the source. The CIA has been working on mind control, and doing black ops for years. Who do they answer to? It sure ain't the US Government. Has to be somebody.....

I haven't come across any supporting evidence that he was actually scheduled to appear to give evidence in the form of a court schedule etc. Having said that he certainly seems to have the qualifications and to be in a position for that to be a possibility. As for the banking Kabul, secret service and government ties it would be hard not to accept that that is the way business is done. The picture doesn't provide anything of substance IMHO.

TBH the only places that are reporting extensively on the Libor scandal seem to be "conspiracy" sites, at least to Robert Holmes involvement. The picture is.... kind of sketchy, I agree. Just wanted some opinions on it. I'd be remiss to not see that the "truther" sites have their fair share of misleading info being used to drive a point home. Absolutely. Hopefully more comes out about Libor, an/or Holmes involvement. It would be a bit of a head scratcher, a point of interest that might make folks think twice.
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Sorry the pictures look like the same guy but he has obviously changed a little bit between the taking of the first and second photos. For a start he is on something in the second I think.
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Sorry the pictures look like the same guy but he has obviously changed a little bit between the taking of the first and second photos. For a start he is on something in the second I think.
I have to agree.
To be fair there is absolutely nothing known about his motivation(s) for the attack yet.
It could be any multitude of reasons from mental breakdown, fanboy delusions to massive idealogical statement.
We simply don't know.
For me, the jump to an MKUltra type narrative is a quantum leap.
People regularly just do crazy shit.
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Sorry the pictures look like the same guy but he has obviously changed a little bit between the taking of the first and second photos. For a start he is on something in the second I think.
I have to agree.
To be fair there is absolutely nothing known about his motivation(s) for the attack yet.
It could be any multitude of reasons from mental breakdown, fanboy delusions to massive idealogical statement.
We simply don't know.
For me, the jump to an MKUltra type narrative is a quantum leap.
People regularly just do crazy shit.

For me it is an interesting theory and I do suspect that there is still a mind science program of some sort going on but there is plenty of real crazy events involving guns killing people that the media could jump on if they wanted to use it to promote gun control. I think most sane people, even the gun fans, appreciate that there should be some sort of control on guns. It won`t stop shit like this happening of course but maybe combined with a better mental healthcare system etc these events could be less common. One thing that is often overlooked it seems is the sheer number of crazy people who have guns and use them. Then you have the number of guns stolen and the people killed by their own guns etc.

I think we know from Waco (which was never really about guns in my view despite the claims) is that however good your arsenal might be the government have a better one already. THEY HAVE FIRE SHOOTING TANKS FOR FUCK SAKE!!!!
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batou, thanks for the link; great read! It reminded me that I've often wondered if that Matrix scene when the glasses are reflecting the red pill and the blue pill was at all symbolic of 3D glasses.
I guess it's a bit off topic since the film wasn't 3D & new 3D glasses aren't red/blue but, well, fuck it! It's relevant to the article I just read so...
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While that's a good shot, his hands are the wrong way for a reflection
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i-baster wrote:
Sorry the pictures look like the same guy but he has obviously changed a little bit between the taking of the first and second photos. For a start he is on something in the second I think.
I have to agree.
To be fair there is absolutely nothing known about his motivation(s) for the attack yet.
It could be any multitude of reasons from mental breakdown, fanboy delusions to massive idealogical statement.
We simply don't know.
For me, the jump to an MKUltra type narrative is a quantum leap.
People regularly just do crazy shit.

It's not a quantum leap at all. I use this example a lot, and I used it in the other thread in General, just today.
The CIA and mind control go hand in hand. They've been working on it for years. George Bush Sr, son of American banker Prescott Bush, who profiteered from Nazi concentration camps and laundered money for the Nazi's through Brown Brothers/Harriman (a subsidiary of N.M Rothschild & Sons), was CIA director. He was CIA from the '50's onward, and was possibly involved in both Kennedy asassinations, the second of which may have involved a mind controlled assassin. Look into Sirhan Sirhan if you'd like....... John Hinckley Sr was a freind of George Bush Sr from the '40's. They were "wildcatters", oil workers in Texas. George Bush had a successful oil business, Hinckley did not. When Bush helped Hinckley out, Hinckley's business became profitable. John Hinckley Jr was Hinckley's son, and was a playfriend of Neil and Marvin Bush, sons of George Sr, brothers of Dubya. He grew up not 5 miles from them. Needless to say, Bush Sr would know who John Jr was. In 1981, John Hinckley Jr showed up at a gathering when President Reagan was leaving and opened fire. The given motive was that Hinckley Jr was obsessed with the movie Taxi Driver, and actress Jodie Foster, and this was his way of expressing that. The public thinks "Oh, just like a movie" case closed. Not so much. There is obviously more to that story. the connection to Bush is too substantial to sweep under the rug.

As for Holmes, mind control is not a quantum leap. It's a logical assumption. It's been done before. There's a reason the film "The Manchurian Candidate" was banned when it came out in 1962.
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batou, thanks for the link; great read! It reminded me that I've often wondered if that Matrix scene when the glasses are reflecting the red pill and the blue pill was at all symbolic of 3D glasses.
I guess it's a bit off topic since the film wasn't 3D & new 3D glasses aren't red/blue but, well, fuck it! It's relevant to the article I just read so...
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While that's a good shot, his hands are the wrong way for a reflection

you just made my worlds collapse inside each other. i cant picture it right.

these big grand conspiracys, is it all true? its too much for it to be a coincidence. i trust that you're telling me the truth right?
a lot of it feels like the six degrees of kevin bacon.
that guy could be mind controlled. but im not a mind control spotter, i dont know. maybe hes a time traveller and came back to shoot the next hitler.
my limbless friend will die alone
a torso of flesh upon the throne

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batou, thanks for the link; great read! It reminded me that I've often wondered if that Matrix scene when the glasses are reflecting the red pill and the blue pill was at all symbolic of 3D glasses.
I guess it's a bit off topic since the film wasn't 3D & new 3D glasses aren't red/blue but, well, fuck it! It's relevant to the article I just read so...
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While that's a good shot, his hands are the wrong way for a reflection

you just made my worlds collapse inside each other. i cant picture it right.

these big grand conspiracys, is it all true? its too much for it to be a coincidence. i trust that you're telling me the truth right?
a lot of it feels like the six degrees of kevin bacon.
that guy could be mind controlled. but im not a mind control spotter, i dont know. maybe hes a time traveller and came back to shoot the next hitler
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I've been saying that Luka Magnotta is one degree of separation from the Queen of England. Luka supposedly murdered and cut up a student and filmed it. He allegedly mailed a foot to the Prime Ministers Party office in Ottawa. Magnotta was able to leave this country, and travel Europe before he was caught. Magnotta hung out with Karla Homolka, and has pictures of them together. Homolka is a convicted killer, who along with her husband Paul Bernardo, raped, tortured and killed 2 girls in Ontario, and filmed the killings. They also killed Homolka's sister, and filmed it. Bernardo knew Russell Williams, and they hung out while attending Ryerson University in Toronto. Wiliams became Col Russell Williams, and was base commander of CFB Trenton, one of the biggest airbases in Canada. Williams was the personal pilot of the Prime Minister, and also flew the Queen around when she was in Canada on "Royal" business. Williams raped, tortured and murdered two women a couple of years ago near where I live. He also filmed this.... Magnotta filmed his, Bernardo and Homolka filmed theirs, Williams ditto.

Luka Magnotta is one step away from the PM of Canada, and the Queen. He's part of a very exclusive club of what are essentially snuff film makers. Shit happens. The above are not connected by "coincidence".
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