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Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 06:08 #1

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"If you would have served our country better you would not be a disabled veteran living off Social Security while the rest of us honest Americans work our asses off,” one of the agency’s debt collectors allegedly told the vet. “Too bad, you should have died.”

and out of the woodwork the psychos come...

rt.com/usa/news/us-debt-collector-disabled-veteran-372/

I am guessing the tip of an ugly iceberg.
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 13:42 #2

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WTF?

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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 13:51 #3

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'fraid so.
“F--k you!” the paralegal allegedly said, “Pay us your money! You can’t afford an attorney. You owe us. I hope your wife divorces you.”

rt.com/usa/news/us-debt-collector-disabled-veteran-372/

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“That’s just the tip of the iceberg, as far as I’m concerned,” attorney Sergei Lemberg told the Daily Beast.
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 13:59 #4

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debt collectors are all assholes.
this is how it works, you have a debt say $500 to mastercard
well so maybe you didnt pay it off for a year, mastercard gives up on it and it goes on a debts market and one of these agencies 'buys' it for like $1.
now you owe the agency $500 and they will be assholes to get it back. i think they work off commission too so you see why they are bastards about retrieving it. they dont answer to anyone, unless its a crime in what they are doing.
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 14:02 #5

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According to the Daily Beast, debt collectors sometimes use abusive techniques to pry money from the indebted because of the commission rates they receive. On average, debt collectors make 20 cents for every dollar recouped. At this rate, the Colliers’ debt would be worth $1,200 to Chargo.

This can only go in one direction.
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 14:03 #6

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Bet you he wouldn't be saying that to an non-disabled vet.
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 14:59 #7

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I used to work as an internal auditor for a debt company - didn't stick it long though, as it is obviously a horrible working environment.

Over here, not all debts are purchased - it's actually better if they are, because only a % of the original balance changes hands & the rest is written off, meaning the agency then in ownership can not charge interest etc & can afford to take a full & final settlement figure generally well below the initial debt size. Some co's don't pay commission, as such, to their staff, but staff are targeted and pressured to achieve, because the agency will be in competition with similar agencies for the percentage share of a client's debt.

There might be a case to legally withhold payment, where deb't been sold, as you have no contract with the 3rd party.

If you do pay a reduced settlement, the balance is written off, but it can still go against you, as the creditors notify credit reference agencies.

A lot of banks, telecoms co's & utility co's use agencies to collect on their behalf, and pay them a set percentage of collected revenues. Some of those bastards continue adding charges + interest, regardless of the customer's circumstances. And I could name one which will, despite cancelling your credit card, still continue to allow direct debits to be drawn against from it. They don't tell people this as a matter of course, so that leads to yet more debt, confusion & anger.

A part of my role was to listen into phone calls to ensure that the kind of scenario in the OP didn't happen, and instigate training and / or disciplinary procedures for any breaches in policy & DPA. Even from the brief time I was there, I could write a book. It would read like an Edgar Allen Po.

What I will say though, is the FSA have stepped in in recent years, to try to help stop harassment. Companies & individuals employing brow-beating tactics can be fined & lose their licence to trade (or be sacked). Also, any complaint you make to the financial ombudsman will automatically result in a charge of around £400 being incurred by the agency, regardless of whether the finding is in the claimant's favour or not.

You can advise these companies that they are only to communicate with you in writing, and they're obliged to comply. That slows things down too.

If they ring more than once in a day - say they leave a voice mail message, then try & catch you later the same day - that alone can be classed as harassment now. :)

They're not allowed to advise you to try to get a consolidation loan.

They're compelled to be civil and non-judgmental.

If you can't afford to pay off a balance, you should write in with your income & expense details and make an offer based on your disposable income. They aren't allowed to refuse it, although they may request proof of the details if they seem unreasonable.

Surprisingly, a lot of these companies & their staff don't seem to know these regulations. It's easy to catch them out, and a letter to them, pointing out how they've subjected you to harassment, and stating that you are now reporting them to the FSA & FO can sometimes magically make the debt disappear.

A lot of people in the UK fall prey also to various debt management leaches. NEVER use one. They calculate your disposable income, & make pro-rata offers on your behalf to all your creditors. They do not have any power to get interest stopped, or insist that creditors accept their proposals. They will keep your first months instalment for themselves, paying nothing off your debts. All subsequent payments will have an amount deducted as their fees - which would have been better used to clear the balances.

If anyone can't cope with doing those calculations for themselves, there are government run ones (believe it or not) who will do it for free! Though they're crumbling under the sheer numbers of people who are struggling.

And yes, debt collection agencies are arse-holes!
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 15:04 #8

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Thanks Gilly. That is excellent advise.

Seriously, great stuff.
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 15:18 #9

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Actually, DPA (data protection act laws) is a really effective one to catch them out with. If an agency calls you they must make sure they're speaking to the 'debtor' before they disclose anything at all about the nature of the call.

Loads of them are dozy gits, & they'll ask to confirm they're speaking to Mr Smith - or even Mr J. Smith - they've broken the law if they disclose any info at that point. There could be any number of relatives called Mr Smith (even with the same initial) who are contactable on that phone number. Tell them you want a transcript or recording of the conversation because you intend to pursue their breach of DPA with the authorities.

They're obliged to equip you with any records they have, though they can insist you pay £10 for it (may be different figure since I left), and they also have to put any collection on your account on hold while your complaint is investigated. If you play the game right, you can end up with the debt being wiped clean, and a compensatory payment heading your way.
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 21:22 #10

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Back to the bad old days...
According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, debt collectors in Missouri, Illinois, Alabama and other states are using a legal loophole to justify jailing poor citizens who legitimately cannot pay their debts.

www.dailyfinance.com/2012/08/30/debtors-...st-as-cruel-as-ever/
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 22:47 #11

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O now that just makes a lot of sense... stick them in jail where they cannot work and cannot pay off their debt, brilliant!
I came into this world kicking and screaming while covered in someone elses blood
and I have no problem with going out the same way :twisted:
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Re: Better dead than fed 14 Oct 2012 23:00 #12

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O now that just makes a lot of sense... stick them in jail where they cannot work and cannot pay off their debt, brilliant!

If it's a private prison then money can be made from each prisoner,i think that's the only use they see for certain parts of society now as prison fodder (slave labour).

Glad i am around now and not in few hundred years.
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Re: Better dead than fed 15 Oct 2012 07:24 #13

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Mikey's article mentioned Payday Lenders. Those parasites should be forced to close down, or at the very least have their interest charges properly regulated - they're the ones who belong behind bars.

I don't really get it - if the defendants have to pay a bond before their release, that's equivalent to the value of the debt, and the money's passed to the creditors, who's actually footing the court's bill for the prosecution case? I'd like to know how much that costs too.

There are so many situations in the UK where the customer is fleeced. There are means of redress set in place by the government for some of them, but claims need to be made within deadlines, and most people aren't even aware of them. The PPI thing's had lots of publicity, but other schemes seem to get zero.

For example, anyone with a mortgage should check who the lender is, if the it was arranged via an independent financial advisor. Lots of people have been scammed, and they can claim mega-bucks back.

That's where the IFA has fooled the customer into thinking that they have a bad credit rating, and would therefore not be eligible for a mortgage through one of the high street lenders, at a (relatively) competitive interest. So they fix one up via a secondary lender, which over the term, costs the customer 10's of £1,000's more. Many IFA's have done this, because they get £1K + commission for the deal, as opposed to the £200 they'd have typically got from a main bank / building society.

Those victims often get stung more than once, because the predatory IFA will go back to them after 2 or 3 years to do a review, so that he can recommend it's a good time to change their mortgage - to another secondary lender. Ker-ching!!! If someone wants a mortgage and they do have a dodgy credit history, they've no choice but to go via one of these establishments. The problem is, these rogue IFA's don't advise the customer that it is a secondary lender, & most people don't have a clue of that, or of what the repercussions are - or he'll wrongly tell them, if they admit to having made a couple of late payments over the years on their credit cards, that that's enough to qualify them as having a sufficiently bad credit record, so that the main banks won't deal with them. Even CCJ's won't necessarily go against people in reality, as long as a set length of time has elapsed since they were lodged.

People can now put in a claim if they've been subjected to this, the value being the amount they're out of pocket by as a result of the bad advice. It comes out of the IFA's insurance. If the IFA's no longer trading, there's a pot of money set aside by the government to cover it.
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