Short video showing that Jobcentre staff have targets to meet for the number of people they kick off benefit per month:

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2013/m...-money-stopped-video

Tax people to death via austerity , remove services, remove welfare, crash the banking system.

lol you couldn't make up all this shit any worse.

The daily mail will probably continue to have a go at 'doleys and immigrants' even after the economy collapses altogether.

I've often wondered, if Job Centre staff were doing their job properly and found everyone a job how much unemployment would zero unemployment create? ie. all the job centre staff, training courses etc linked to the unemployed would be out of a job, how much employment does unemployment create?

oioioi wrote: I think the short answer to this question would be that primarily the Jobentre is a benefit processing centre, this is increasingly the case since the switch to 'Jobcentre Plus'. It isn't really their role to help you find a job, it's more to ensure that people meet the increasingly punitive conditions of their 'jobseekers' agreement. Or, it would seem, kick them off benefit even if they have met the conditions.

So these fukwits have a quota to meet... Hardly surprising, the very same mentality is in place here. They've tried to kick me off benefits many times, at one point I was stupid enough to mention something about a band in which I'm involved with. The fekkers tried to get me off benefits because I'm "self employed" in their books. Didn't work out though, luckily I got out the the jobcenter to a company who actually work just like jobcenter, but with easier rules, and to them I haven't said a word about any band.

The system is fucked up beyond belief, they should help people find jobs, and what they do is get them on some "education" or to work shop like where I used to work.. (I'm on a break from the place atm.) All those people they put under some stupid pseudo-employment do not show in the unemployment statistics, and student are not unemployed either. Goddammit, if they would tell the truth about the quantity of unemployed people, I bet Finlands rate would be near 25% unemployed. The official unemployment last year was around 9%, that's a lie.

I'm quite sure it's the same thing in England and other countries too.. The statistics tell just lies.

If people can't find paid work and the option to claim benefits is taken away there will be only one other option if they want to survive,this will be crime.

Some will commit crime for money or steal food,others will commit crime to be caught and will be hoping to go prison for a roof over their head and food.

All part of the plan HS.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/plan-for-cheap-prison-work-may-cost-thousands-of-jobs-7815140.html

humanspirit wrote:
Exactly and its happening here a lot

The ones with no monthly check and no job suffer , they are preyed upon if their on the street for various things, property, food stamp fraud and many of the homeless shelters have closed, for the most part having them camp on the outskirts of the city in homeless groups, while stealing from stores in the city during the day..

A small town like where I live and has no allowance to help the homeless, they must go to a bigger city for social type meetings with others in the same boat and become partners in crime, till they get caught then get three hots and a cot, in one of the most comfortable jail systems in the USA

When we get to that stage, I'll be standing in the town center handing out home made chili con carne & chicken curry (if I've still got the capability myself).

If benefits disappear across Europe you will most likely get crime immigration where people travel to commit crime to stay in the better prisons?

humanspirit wrote:

We have what is called homeless shelter hoppers , they do pretty much the same thing and migrate south during the winter months to a warmer place to stay

humanspirit wrote: Not really there's still lot's of nice natural woodland and so on in England, more than enough to sustain a solitary male with a large backpack and some seeds.

Mike wrote:
Really? You think you'd go unmolested by authority if you selected some rural spot to do a bit of planting up & 'surviving'? I'd like to think you're right, but I'm not so sure.

People do it all the time, some parts of the country are obviously better than others, most places around the south and south east you can walk for days and not see anyone.
There's also Urban drifters who harvest what they need from the abundance of waste in every small town, they're more often the one's to be caught, but you can get by very nicely if you know the right "bins" at the right time, when the major retailers dispose of their Out of Dates etc people will get by, where did all the Robin Hoods go?

wake_up_bomb wrote:

You have just scared me Ive got a mortgage if i ever lost my job my job seekers should just about cover it now if I got sanctioned i would be screwed.

Mike wrote:

I wish that my outlook was that positive

Mike wrote:
Maybe ray mears or bear grylls could survive eating plant roots and so on but the majority who end up with no money wont.

Hexhammer wrote:
Yes I agree, i feel that the real numbers are disguised in many places.

Hexhammer wrote: Very difficult to disagree with anything you've said here, and yes this all applies to Britain without doubt.
foonclown wrote: Firstly, if you lose your job, you can claim contributions based JSA for six months, and it's be exceptionally difficult for them to touch you during this period as absolutely everyone in the country is entitled to this as long as you've made NI contributions. Even if you had billions in the bank, you can claim JSA(C) for six months before its means tested. Secondly, if you have a mortgage and claim JSA, you can get your mortgage interest payment covered for the duration of time that you're unemployed. With regard to avoiding sanctions, all you can do is be incredibly helpful, polite and show willing. They can't sanction you if you do what is asked of you, they have to find a loophole. They can ask you to do some pretty bloody unreasonable things, but they can't sanction you if you do them.