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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 14:44 #1

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As many will know, I am not the most religious poster on SZ but this dude is impressing me on the social fronts.
(Not on every front granted)
He's not shy calling out the wealthy for example while he appears to shun many of the embellishments his position offers.
We may be a long way from the Vatican bling garage sale but he's heading in the right direction imo.


Pope Francis calls unfettered capitalism 'tyranny' and urges rich to share wealth
Pontiff's first major publication calls on global leaders to guarantee work, education and healthcare

Pope Francis Leads A Mass 009



Pope Francis has attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny", urging global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality in the first major work he has authored alone as pontiff.

The 84-page document, known as an apostolic exhortation, amounted to an official platform for his papacy, building on views he has aired in sermons and remarks since he became the first non-European pontiff in 1,300 years in March.

In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticising the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money" and beseeching politicians to guarantee all citizens "dignified work, education and healthcare".

He also called on rich people to share their wealth. "Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills," Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday.

"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?"

The pope said renewal of the church could not be put off and the Vatican and its entrenched hierarchy "also need to hear the call to pastoral conversion".

"I prefer a church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security," he wrote.

In July, Francis finished an encyclical begun by Pope Benedict but he made clear that it was largely the work of his predecessor, who resigned in February.

Called Evangelii Gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel), the exhortation is presented in Francis's simple and warm preaching style, distinct from the more academic writings of former popes, and stresses the church's central mission of preaching "the beauty of the saving love of God made manifest in Jesus Christ".

In it, he reiterated earlier statements that the church cannot ordain women or accept abortion. The male-only priesthood, he said, "is not a question open to discussion" but women must have more influence in church leadership.

A meditation on how to revitalise a church suffering from encroaching secularisation in western countries, the exhortation echoed the missionary zeal more often heard from the evangelical Protestants who have won over many disaffected Catholics in the pope's native Latin America.

In it, economic inequality features as one of the issues Francis is most concerned about. The 76-year-old pontiff calls for an overhaul of the financial system and warns that unequal distribution of wealth inevitably leads to violence.

"As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems," he wrote.

Denying this was simple populism, he called for action "beyond a simple welfare mentality" and added: "I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor."

Since his election, Francis has set an example for austerity in the church, living in a Vatican guest house rather than the ornate Apostolic Palace, travelling in a Ford Focus, and last month suspending a bishop who spent millions of euros on his luxurious residence.

He chose to be called Francis after the medieval Italian saint of the same name famed for choosing a life of poverty.

Stressing co-operation among religions, Francis quoted the late Pope John Paul II's idea that the papacy might be reshaped to promote closer ties with other Christian churches and noted lessons Rome could learn from the Orthodox church such as "synodality" or decentralised leadership.

He praised co-operation with Jews and Muslims and urged Islamic countries to guarantee their Christian minorities the same religious freedom as Muslims enjoy in the west.

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 16:43 #2

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You lost me at GOLD FUCKING SEAT!

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Of course people like this would oppose Capitalism.

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 17:07 #3

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"We may be a long way from the Vatican bling garage sale but he's heading in the right direction imo."

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 17:44 #4

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feather wrote:
"We may be a long way from the Vatican bling garage sale but he's heading in the right direction imo."

:roll:

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 18:08 #5

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In your wee world how do you think this stuff works?
Think the dude gets the gig and can just turn up with a few Pickford trucks and head down to scrapgold4u?

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 18:24 #6

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Does one man have much influence over the catholic church?

This new image must have had the go a head from other powerful people in the church.

What is their motivation for this shift.

Are they scared that the status quo will come tumbling down or something.

Sorry for the scepticism but TPTB have made me this way. :(

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 18:29 #7

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a torso of flesh upon the throne

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 18:37 #8

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humanspirit wrote:
Does one man have much influence over the catholic church?
This new image must have had the go a head from other powerful people in the church.
What is their motivation for this shift.
Are they scared that the status quo will come tumbling down or something.

Sorry for the scepticism but TPTB have made me this way. :(
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All things are possible HS. :dunno:
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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 19:14 #9

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feather wrote:
In your wee world how do you think this stuff works?
Think the dude gets the gig and can just turn up with a few Pickford trucks and head down to scrapgold4u?

:roll:

I think the dude gets the gig, rolls out some populist propaganda for the masses keeps stealing shit and raping children.
Do you think if some person with a huge amount of wealth wanted to help the poor they might sell their gold throne before going out to preach to the sheeple.
Come on feather, this is bloody ridiculous, he's spewing the same authoritarian collectivist rhetoric that the Bolsheviks and Pol Pot did, from a castle of gold, while claiming to be working directly for the fucking sky fairies.
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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 20:47 #10

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I'm sure the Vatican will be leading by example.
What did happen to all that nazi gold btw?
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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 20:54 #11

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Cartoonist ideas of the RCC as some monolithic organisation with one POV rather than a whole host of disparate POVs....well let's paint atheists as one and the same shall we?

So Maoism being atheists means that all atheists are Maoists, right? Nope. Wrong.

Until this Pope gets shot, some folks will just keep up the bashing.

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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 21:11 #12

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Yeah pope fish hat said a few words of inspiration...Wow still doesn't make up for all the shit and damage that the Vatican and all there followers have done under the magical fairy spells from the imaginary man in the sky :roll:
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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 21:22 #13

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Black Cloud wrote:
Yeah pope fish hat said a few words of inspiration...Wow still doesn't make up for all the shit and damage that the Vatican and all there followers have done under the magical fairy spells from the imaginary man in the sky :roll:

That's why I blame all atheists for the massacres of the Cultural Revolution. Which I don't. I just thought I'd join in the fucking idiocy.

Hey, BC, have you made up for your colonial ancestors' abuse of the indigenous population?

Get your finger out!

Which I don't mean seriously.
I just thought I'd join in the fucking idiocy.
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Re:Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 21:25 #14

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Can't say as I'm impressed as what the pope mentioned is already in place across Europe so his message is aimed at the 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Lemme know when he mentions fractional reserve banking and sacks Peter Sutherland ;)
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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 21:40 #15

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It is a fucking idiocy that anything comes out of fish hats mouth :roll:

And as for the indigenous population, whats that got to do, with the price of fish, the native population here were not put on reservations etc,

By the way did Pope fish head hat Pius XII have anything good to say...... didn't think so
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Re:Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 21:40 #16

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‘‘The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly human goal,’’ he told the ambassadors.

As the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in Argentina, he often spoke out about the plight of the poor during the country’s economic crisis.

Unchecked capitalism had created ‘‘a new, invisible, and at times virtual, tyranny’’, he went on.
‘‘The Pope loves everyone, rich and poor alike, but the Pope has the duty, in Christ’s name, to remind the rich to help the poor, to respect them, to promote them,’’ he said.


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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 21:50 #17

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Odd choice of word, 'promote' them,,,In one sense.
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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 21:56 #18

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Odd choice of word, 'promote' them,,,In one sense.

exactly why promote these wealthy men of the cloth, whom worship wealth over everything else it must be fish hat head day on SZ ffs :coffee:
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Never mind Russell Brand ... What About Pope Francis? 27 Nov 2013 22:09 #19

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i never thought i would say this of a pope but i have a lot of time for this one. i think it is fantastic that he using the position he has been given to speak up about certain topics and that he appears to walk the walk as it were. if he can inspire some compassion in others (and i believe he does) through his words and deeds then so much the better. he makes a refreshing change from the usual people who end up with that kind of power and influence.
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That's what I was going to say earlier, Thor (as a completely non-religeous observor) till I realised I couldn't be bothered responding to, "fish hat day on SZ FFS" type attitudes.

Sometimes the outlook's, if you can't slag 'em off, don't bother mentioning them at all.

Everything's not black & white. You can surely appreciate someone in his position trying to spread peaceful, compassionate messages, even if you don't share their religion?

There've been plenty of Pope's who have been all for condemning minority groups. How can it be a bad thing for one to come along who takes a different stance?
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