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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 07 Aug 2012 23:22 #661

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True everyone believed he was dead, killed on some obscure bridge in Germany as was Hitler who was said to have shot himself.

Uhuh, faked skulls and all that. But then was Hitler writing cheques in the 60's?
The Flight Program of the Third Reich is imo crucial to understanding where we are at now globally. As is how it ties in with the corporate as a whole. I think I may start a thread on it at some point soon.
There are facts that just aren't talked about.
It's so much easier to blame teh j00z innit :roll:
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dubmeup wrote:
Boots wrote:
True everyone believed he was dead, killed on some obscure bridge in Germany as was Hitler who was said to have shot himself.

Uhuh, faked skulls and all that. But then was Hitler writing cheques in the 60's?
The Flight Program of the Third Reich is imo crucial to understanding where we are at now globally. As is how it ties in with the corporate as a whole. I think I may start a thread on it at some point soon.
There are facts that just aren't talked about.
It's so much easier to blame teh j00z innit :roll:

:yup: the eternal whipping boy through the ages.
Intelligent people here at SZ can see the connection between the both ( Zionism, Nazism ) and know it's part of the system and you can't just blame one or the other. Having said that the ideology which is fascism/Nazism made it's home in the USA , set up NASA, restructured the CIA, etc.

I look forward to a thread on that Dub's :up2:
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 07 Aug 2012 23:42 #663

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Let's not also forget that having been burnt at the end of world war 1, the German industrialists moved their present and future wealth overseas when they realised the Nazis would not be winning the 'physical' WW2. The Bormann inspired, Flight Capital Program.

Vast amounts of wealth ended up safely stashed in places like Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey and South America. These chaps realised the wisdom of investing in things like gold and diamonds, real estate and bonds. They also realised that patents represented a perhaps more important future wealth stream, so they went overseas too.

What I'm getting at is that in many ways the Nazis didn't lose WW2. They merely shifted their focus from physical domination to economic domination. Post WW2 they set up companies all over the world. A key area was pharmaceuticals.........

I'm not going to make this a massive post but I'll summarize thus. The Nazis never went away. Rodin et al will tell us we are at the mercy of teh j00s but when you look into it a lot of what we see going on today has the Nazi hand very much involved.

The Nazis at the DIF know all this of course, they don't want everyone else knowing it though do they. They want people to think it's all about teh j00z. They are doing their very best to keep the truth of the world today hidden. Therefore they really don't belong on a site which is supposedly concerned with truth. But that's why they are there. To distract attention from the truth. And for some reason they are encouraged by the admin to post 1000's of pages of stuff proclaiming it all to be teh j00z and how everyone is anti Germany yada yada yada. Eh Sean :roll:

Perhaps have a read of books like this:
www.amazon.ca/Martin-Bormann-Exile-Paul-Manning/dp/0818403098
A free PDF download of the book is available here:
spitfirelist.com/books/martin-bormann-nazi-in-exile/

I totally agree that the organisations behind nazism and fascism didn't go away dubmeup.All the companies that used slave labour such as siemens,bmw,Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben, to name but a few have carried on in business.

www.thyssenkrupp.com/
www.siemens.com
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_unde..._during_World_War_II

Many of these companies were and are part of the industrial arms complex which today has connections with Israel,one example is siemens-

Siemens leads the energy market in Israel, with more than 30 percent of the country’s electricity supply produced using Siemens turbines. Between 2008 and 2011, Siemens invested more than EUR 300 million and has strengthened its position in Israel’s renewable energy market by acquiring a 37 percent equity ($15 million) in Arava Power Company, a local developer of photovoltaic power plants.

www.siemens.com/about/en/worldwide/israel_1154627.htm

This is why IMHO The creation of Israel has to be seen as a creation by and ultimately for the industrial arms complex.

I find it totally disgusting!
I also feel that the average Israeli has been deceived.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 07 Aug 2012 23:46 #664

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I totally agree that the organisations behind nazism and fascism didn't go away dubmeup.All the companies that used slave labour such as siemens,bmw,Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben, to name but a few have carried on in business.
IBM are doing okay too:

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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 08 Aug 2012 01:54 #665

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humanspirit wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Let's not also forget that having been burnt at the end of world war 1, the German industrialists moved their present and future wealth overseas when they realised the Nazis would not be winning the 'physical' WW2. The Bormann inspired, Flight Capital Program.

Vast amounts of wealth ended up safely stashed in places like Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey and South America. These chaps realised the wisdom of investing in things like gold and diamonds, real estate and bonds. They also realised that patents represented a perhaps more important future wealth stream, so they went overseas too.

What I'm getting at is that in many ways the Nazis didn't lose WW2. They merely shifted their focus from physical domination to economic domination. Post WW2 they set up companies all over the world. A key area was pharmaceuticals.........

I'm not going to make this a massive post but I'll summarize thus. The Nazis never went away. Rodin et al will tell us we are at the mercy of teh j00s but when you look into it a lot of what we see going on today has the Nazi hand very much involved.

The Nazis at the DIF know all this of course, they don't want everyone else knowing it though do they. They want people to think it's all about teh j00z. They are doing their very best to keep the truth of the world today hidden. Therefore they really don't belong on a site which is supposedly concerned with truth. But that's why they are there. To distract attention from the truth. And for some reason they are encouraged by the admin to post 1000's of pages of stuff proclaiming it all to be teh j00z and how everyone is anti Germany yada yada yada. Eh Sean :roll:

Perhaps have a read of books like this:
www.amazon.ca/Martin-Bormann-Exile-Paul-Manning/dp/0818403098
A free PDF download of the book is available here:
spitfirelist.com/books/martin-bormann-nazi-in-exile/

I totally agree that the organisations behind nazism and fascism didn't go away dubmeup.All the companies that used slave labour such as siemens,bmw,Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben, to name but a few have carried on in business.

www.thyssenkrupp.com/
www.siemens.com
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_unde..._during_World_War_II

Many of these companies were and are part of the industrial arms complex which today has connections with Israel,one example is siemens-

Siemens leads the energy market in Israel, with more than 30 percent of the country’s electricity supply produced using Siemens turbines. Between 2008 and 2011, Siemens invested more than EUR 300 million and has strengthened its position in Israel’s renewable energy market by acquiring a 37 percent equity ($15 million) in Arava Power Company, a local developer of photovoltaic power plants.

www.siemens.com/about/en/worldwide/israel_1154627.htm

This is why IMHO The creation of Israel has to be seen as a creation by and ultimately for the industrial arms complex.

I find it totally disgusting!
I also feel that the average Israeli has been deceived.

All the best scientists from Nazi Germany went on to other things after WW2, Werner Von Braun headed up NASA, Kurt Waldheim wound up as UN Secretary General, Goebbels took off to South America by all accounts. The Zionists have gotten a lot of mileage out of the whole Nazi parade. I know most have probably seen this, but it's a great 10 minute bit of dot connecting by a journalist named John Buchanan who got a look at some declassified Library of Congress documents so it's worth a rewatch IMO;



The Nazi's were a figment of a Zionist imagination.

EDIT: Upon watching the above, keep in mind that Prescott Bush and FDR were cousins;

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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 08 Aug 2012 06:51 #666

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The Icke Forum is Beyond Help........The DIF could be Pro Flower Pressing as far as I'm Concerned , I just Hope Icketoid does not close his forum down ( Highly Unlikely)......cause there will be an avalanche Of Shit that will Flow all over Internetz Land and some dried turds of posters will wash up here..... :notworthy:
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 08 Aug 2012 10:18 #667

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Yea, maybe it has a positive side that DIF is the craphole it has turned into... It's a internet waste disposal system for bigots, I hope the Official Icke Landfill keeps it's walls intanct.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 08 Aug 2012 10:39 #668

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Hahahaha maybe our next act of "terrorism" should be to go in and liberate all the good people from the DIF, bring them to the safety of this place and then kettle the bigots? Once they're safely penned in we could build a two way firewall round them and cut them off from the entire tinterwebz.

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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 08 Aug 2012 11:18 #669

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I had a quick look over there earlier for the first time in a while...thats 20 minutes of my life wasted...

*edited* shouldn't get personal eh.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 08 Aug 2012 15:40 #670

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I obviously cannot partake in the thread started by resistance on the icke forums www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219001 - but it was an interesting read -
Yes and no really cyclops. Questioning the holocaust certainly isn't racist neither is it being hateful IMO. It's not that act of questioning the holocaust itself that's hateful or racist, it's some of the rhetoric and generalisations that goes with it that people need to be careful of. Tell me how can merely questioning history be hateful? Questioning something in itself can't possibly be racist or hateful, like I said it's some of the groups and individuals involved that become hateful, not some inquistive individual who has every right to question something that effects all of us on such a profound level. I question the holocaust myself because there's so many holes in the official story that simply don't add up, another reason why I question the official story is because countries like Germany among others have made it illegal to question... which is alone very suspicious. Also why has it become a billion dollar industry? Truth doesn't fear scrutiny my freind, and as more people start to question official world war II history we're only going to see these type of laws become more and more ridiculous and widespread. People need to be careful of their choice of words while touching on these taboo topics. Holocaust denial isn't a crime in my country, however inciting racial hatred is. This is what I believe some groups have been doing on the web, e.g setting up phony nazi organisations for the purpose of trying to radicalize moderates or just people who like to view alternative history purely from a historical sense, a kind of sting operation if you're familiar with the meaning? I almost fell for it myself a few months back, but I took some time out to reflect and realised what was happening here. People will do well to heed my warnings. Especially if you live outside of the U.S where there's no first ammendment rights. The motto of the story is, don't let yourself become radicalized or fall into the trap of blaming every jew for the ills of this world.

almost the same thing that many of us here have been saying for years.
Very good post. I've been browsing around this forum for only a short time now. I've signed up to this forum years ago, but never visited the forum much. But browsing it for a few days now I'm really startled about the number of racial haters, Holocaust deniers and other kinds of bullshit artists on this forum. I can't believe they are all genuine, it would be a disgrace to mr. Icke himself. A man dedicated his life to bringing people together and whose forum gets overrun by nazi-lovers and apologists of mass murderers. Those people are of course the best source of bad advertisement and giving the forum a bad name, so I'm pretty sure most aren't genuine and might be even paid to be here. I've seen a guy who made over 1200 posts in 1 month. I only could achieve that when I did this as my job at least 30 hours a week.

This is the impression many get on browsing the icke forums.

So many banned after attempting to say the same things.... So many accused of being shills, trolls and other such nonsense for saying the same things.

Nice post though resistance I hope that people heed it and long term change can come about.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 09 Aug 2012 18:50 #671

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sean;1060951689 wrote:
I agree. From an admin/mod perspective its nice to be able to do our job without others trying to do it for us.

Personally I'm seeing more open mindedness, tolerance, and respect even though we have a pretty diverse bunch. The disruptive actions of a few have inadvertently helped us to thrive. To them I say thank you :cool:.

:roflha: :seanypat

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217074&page=4
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sean;1060951689 wrote:
I agree. From an admin/mod perspective its nice to be able to do our job without others trying to do it for us.

Personally I'm seeing more open mindedness, tolerance, and respect even though we have a pretty diverse bunch. The disruptive actions of a few have inadvertently helped us to thrive. To them I say thank you :cool:.

:roflha: :seanypat

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217074&page=4

So-tonight-I'm-gonna-thrive-like-it's-1933.
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"new open mindedness" and "mods allowed to do their job" Sean style from Bendoon

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216330
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No, I think all the Africans and Asians should be deported back to their own countries.

at which point David Icke's readers that just happen to be black or asian and reading that promptly get a very bad idea of what readership they now belong to

can't be good :noudiint:
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"new open mindedness" and "mods allowed to do their job" Sean style from Bendoon

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216330
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No, I think all the Africans and Asians should be deported back to their own countries.

at which point David Icke's readers that just happen to be black or asian and reading that promptly get a very bad idea of what readership they now belong to

can't be good :noudiint:

He doesn't think it's apartheid though. So that's ok. People living in different parts of the world is 'just what the BBC & Tony Blair want you to think is ok'.
If everything 'fucked off back to where it came from' there'd be nowt left! Except a primitive beginning... I think that's where he's at.
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sean;1060951689 wrote:
I agree. From an admin/mod perspective its nice to be able to do our job without others trying to do it for us.

Personally I'm seeing more open mindedness, tolerance, and respect even though we have a pretty diverse bunch. The disruptive actions of a few have inadvertently helped us to thrive. To them I say thank you :cool:.

Give me a fucken break shawnyboy! :killinme:
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sean;1060951689 wrote:
I agree. From an admin/​mod per­spec­tive its nice to be able to do our job with­out oth­ers try­ing to do it for us.

Per­son­ally I’m see­ing more open mind­ed­ness, tol­er­ance, and respect even though we have a pretty diverse bunch. The dis­rup­tive actions of a few have inad­ver­tently helped us to thrive. To them I say thank you . :cool:

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Haha, Shawn actually seems to think that DIF is 'thriving?'

Holy hell how delusional he can get!
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I obviously cannot partake in the thread started by resistance on the icke forums www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219001 - but it was an interesting read -
Yes and no really cyclops. Questioning the holocaust certainly isn't racist neither is it being hateful IMO. It's not that act of questioning the holocaust itself that's hateful or racist, it's some of the rhetoric and generalisations that goes with it that people need to be careful of. Tell me how can merely questioning history be hateful? Questioning something in itself can't possibly be racist or hateful, like I said it's some of the groups and individuals involved that become hateful, not some inquistive individual who has every right to question something that effects all of us on such a profound level. I question the holocaust myself because there's so many holes in the official story that simply don't add up, another reason why I question the official story is because countries like Germany among others have made it illegal to question... which is alone very suspicious. Also why has it become a billion dollar industry? Truth doesn't fear scrutiny my freind, and as more people start to question official world war II history we're only going to see these type of laws become more and more ridiculous and widespread. People need to be careful of their choice of words while touching on these taboo topics. Holocaust denial isn't a crime in my country, however inciting racial hatred is. This is what I believe some groups have been doing on the web, e.g setting up phony nazi organisations for the purpose of trying to radicalize moderates or just people who like to view alternative history purely from a historical sense, a kind of sting operation if you're familiar with the meaning? I almost fell for it myself a few months back, but I took some time out to reflect and realised what was happening here. People will do well to heed my warnings. Especially if you live outside of the U.S where there's no first ammendment rights. The motto of the story is, don't let yourself become radicalized or fall into the trap of blaming every jew for the ills of this world.

almost the same thing that many of us here have been saying for years.
Very good post. I've been browsing around this forum for only a short time now. I've signed up to this forum years ago, but never visited the forum much. But browsing it for a few days now I'm really startled about the number of racial haters, Holocaust deniers and other kinds of bullshit artists on this forum. I can't believe they are all genuine, it would be a disgrace to mr. Icke himself. A man dedicated his life to bringing people together and whose forum gets overrun by nazi-lovers and apologists of mass murderers. Those people are of course the best source of bad advertisement and giving the forum a bad name, so I'm pretty sure most aren't genuine and might be even paid to be here. I've seen a guy who made over 1200 posts in 1 month. I only could achieve that when I did this as my job at least 30 hours a week.

This is the impression many get on browsing the icke forums.

So many banned after attempting to say the same things.... So many accused of being shills, trolls and other such nonsense for saying the same things.

Nice post though resistance I hope that people heed it and long term change can come about.

Dont be fooled by the bolded part, that is the cornerstone of the Neo Nazism which is prevalent at the dif and elsewhere on the net. People watch yt vids that cherry pic info and leave out facts, they come from the position that is was all a lie.

The intention of the thread says this. the neo nazi and racial hatred is a false flag, a false flag set up by WHO?

Have a look who posted on that thread, those that did apart from cyclops are the most staunch hater's of jews on that forum it is whitewashing their names so they aren't seen as the people they really are. I've seen the likes of tinyint, eternal bigot use the same tactic.

Flyermay was right to a point when he said resistance is a blame the jew person, I think the guy is a bit naive to say the least. How did resistance vote on the "Do you think life would be better had Hitler won?"

www.davidicke.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1743

Unsure!

There is less dribble on the general section of that forum but it still persist in other sections of the forum, things will quieten down for awhile but gradually the same rhetoric will seep it's way back in.
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sean;1060951689 wrote:
I agree. From an admin/mod perspective its nice to be able to do our job without others trying to do it for us.

Personally I'm seeing more open mindedness, tolerance, and respect even though we have a pretty diverse bunch. The disruptive actions of a few have inadvertently helped us to thrive. To them I say thank you :cool:.

:roflha: :seanypat

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217074&page=4

Oh, that same old tactic. Twist everything back to front - and some people will still :evil: fall for it! But progressively fewer of a 'diverse' nature.

And to you Daisy, I would like to say, that the repercussions of your dishonest and self-destructive actions have meant you've not only tarnished your own reputation, and that of Icke, even further, but also you've lost more good members and dissuaded other potential members from joining. Well done! :clap:
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I obviously cannot partake in the thread started by resistance on the icke forums www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219001 - but it was an interesting read -
Yes and no really cyclops. Questioning the holocaust certainly isn't racist neither is it being hateful IMO. It's not that act of questioning the holocaust itself that's hateful or racist, it's some of the rhetoric and generalisations that goes with it that people need to be careful of. Tell me how can merely questioning history be hateful? Questioning something in itself can't possibly be racist or hateful, like I said it's some of the groups and individuals involved that become hateful, not some inquistive individual who has every right to question something that effects all of us on such a profound level. I question the holocaust myself because there's so many holes in the official story that simply don't add up, another reason why I question the official story is because countries like Germany among others have made it illegal to question... which is alone very suspicious. Also why has it become a billion dollar industry? Truth doesn't fear scrutiny my freind, and as more people start to question official world war II history we're only going to see these type of laws become more and more ridiculous and widespread. People need to be careful of their choice of words while touching on these taboo topics. Holocaust denial isn't a crime in my country, however inciting racial hatred is. This is what I believe some groups have been doing on the web, e.g setting up phony nazi organisations for the purpose of trying to radicalize moderates or just people who like to view alternative history purely from a historical sense, a kind of sting operation if you're familiar with the meaning? I almost fell for it myself a few months back, but I took some time out to reflect and realised what was happening here. People will do well to heed my warnings. Especially if you live outside of the U.S where there's no first ammendment rights. The motto of the story is, don't let yourself become radicalized or fall into the trap of blaming every jew for the ills of this world.

almost the same thing that many of us here have been saying for years.
Very good post. I've been browsing around this forum for only a short time now. I've signed up to this forum years ago, but never visited the forum much. But browsing it for a few days now I'm really startled about the number of racial haters, Holocaust deniers and other kinds of bullshit artists on this forum. I can't believe they are all genuine, it would be a disgrace to mr. Icke himself. A man dedicated his life to bringing people together and whose forum gets overrun by nazi-lovers and apologists of mass murderers. Those people are of course the best source of bad advertisement and giving the forum a bad name, so I'm pretty sure most aren't genuine and might be even paid to be here. I've seen a guy who made over 1200 posts in 1 month. I only could achieve that when I did this as my job at least 30 hours a week.

This is the impression many get on browsing the icke forums.

So many banned after attempting to say the same things.... So many accused of being shills, trolls and other such nonsense for saying the same things.

Nice post though resistance I hope that people heed it and long term change can come about.

Dont be fooled by the bolded part, that is the cornerstone of the Neo Nazism which is prevalent at the dif and elsewhere on the net. People watch yt vids that cherry pic info and leave out facts, they come from the position that is was all a lie.

The intention of the thread says this. the neo nazi and racial hatred is a false flag, a false flag set up by WHO?

Have a look who posted on that thread, those that did apart from cyclops are the most staunch hater's of jews on that forum it is whitewashing their names so they aren't seen as the people they really are. I've seen the likes of tinyint, eternal bigot use the same tactic.

Flyermay was right to a point when he said resistance is a blame the jew person, I think the guy is a bit naive to say the least. How did resistance vote on the "Do you think life would be better had Hitler won?"

www.davidicke.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1743

Unsure!

There is less dribble on the general section of that forum but it still persist in other sections of the forum, things will quieten down for awhile but gradually the same rhetoric will seep it's way back in.

No, boots, the bolded part is true. One does not need to be a neo Nazi to question the Holocaust. It's really that simple. You have your own standard jargon to roll out every time someone questions the Holocaust. It is not only neo Nazi's and White Supremacist types that have questions, nor are they the only sources of info available. It is unfortunate that the Pro Zionist Nazis need to jump in and make it all about the Jews, but we are getting beyond that pettiness here. There is no need to keep dragging it back to that. It's unfortunate that they are allowed to dominate and bully over at the DIF, but that kind of thing is quickly shut down on this forum so far. All of the agendists are fair game.

Once again, one does not have to hate Jews or be a Zionazi to want answers to questions. That's ridiculous. We are allowed to question discrepancies in the sinking of the Lusitania, allowed to question discrepancies about the bombing of Pearl harbour, allowed to question the Gulf of Tonkin incident, allowed to question various political assassinations.... we're almost not allowed to question 9 -11 and we are definitely NOT supposed to question the Holocaust -- and that begs questions right there. Some things don't add up with all of the above, and intelligent people are supposed to be stopped by propaganda, rhetoric, and threats? It hardly seems fair. It stinks. Intelligent discussion should be allowed about anything, without someone coming along and screaming "anti semite" "anti Jew" "denier"...... there's something inherently wrong with that.
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