Boots wrote:
No ronison it is true, it IS true that one doesn't have to be a neo nazi to question it but those that do question it have to see all the available evidence and not come from the position of a one sided view , they have to study it and the WWW, YT dont have a balanced view at all. The premise to it is, there is a Jewish world conspiracy, so it must be a hoax and leads people to take the side of the Neo Nazi's as resistence has done.
ronisron wrote:
Well, we all get one side, and that is the holocaust happened, 6 milion Jews died in various ways, and that's it. We all get that.
Repeating the same canard of six million dying it typical of people who don’t look into it. The figure is 5.7 million, yet those who can’t debate it and haven’t looked into it will say 6 million. That is repeated adnuesim on dif. Even when it is said many times that the figure is 5.7 million to holocaust deniers they will repeat the 6 million figure.
ronisron wrote:
It's just that when you look at it, as anyone should with historical record, recent or otherwise, it has a few plot holes.
Well it’s obvious you haven’t. Tell me what are the pot holes in the historical records then?.
ronisron wrote:
The questions that spring up are honest questions. We should all be allow to ask them. The premise that one side has of the Holocaust is that it is a "Jewish conspiracy". One side says that. This is your rebuttal.
Are they honest questions?
NO it is not my rebuttal at all this is what happens if they say the holocaust didn’t happen or figures are exaggerated then it has to be a conspiracy does it not. How could it not be a hoax if someone or group exaggerated the figure, that is the intention of the holocaust deniers on dif to call it a jewish conspiracy. That is what I’m saying not if you deny it it’s a jewish plot
ronisron wrote:
There happens to be more than one side though.... I'm on a side that thinks it's not a Jewish plot, it's a Zionist one. The same folks who put Hitler in power and laundered his money. The same people who said 6 million Jews intially died in the Ukraine following WWI. The Zionists. They stirred the pot. They wrote the history.
Again you see it as a Zionist plot and they wrote the history How did they rewrite the history then how did they forge all those documents, the dairies of SS officers the 9000 pages of evidence the wanasee protocol. How did they forge the IBM accounts of those that were exterminated and the number of jews in Europe? The Ukrainian genocide figures vary between 2.4 to 12 million killed through starvation there were no records kept so the figure isn’t absolute historians have been trying to come to a conclusion THAT’S WHAT HISTORIANS DO. This 6 million canard is another BS figure found on holocaust deneir sites there so called newspaper clipping have no links and can’t be verified
ronisron wrote:
They are the ones who make the laws against denial..
What a lot of rubbish that is indicative of those who think there is a world wide Zionist conspiracy and they tell law makers and judges what to say and do I already said that there is no law against revisionism you failed to take that into
ronisron wrote:
It is not a neo Nazi ideal to question the holocaust, though it seems easier to lump anyone who does in with the neos. It quells the argument quickly -- well, hopefully it quells it. The Zionists also did 9/11, and got a mental health act in the US ratified to include anyone who questioned 9/11 or believed the government was conspiratorial to be classified as mentally ill. Did you not see novum's fine collection of similar symbols?? The US Great Seal has the same emblem as the Star of David.
What you are saying is I use a tactic to label anyone a neo Nazi if they question it and that’s a tactic fuck you that means you consider anyone who states that, is working for the other side because that is what you are saying in effect,
Yeah of course I saw what novum posted I also see you failed to mention the eagle crestant which part of the holy roman empire The star of david is a Masonic emblem it is an ancient ssymbol even used by Arabs prior to it’s use by the rothschilds.
Is there a mental health act to question the holocaust ? No there isn’t a it is just a typical straw man argument 911 has nothing to do with the holocaust but of course anyone who is fixated on the assumption the Zionist control the world and everthing that gos on within the world would say that
Boots wrote:
The Holocaust has been questioned for many years by scholars and the revisionist have helped in defining some things with regard to the evidence. It has been shown consistently that revisionist get it wrong and have an agenda.
ronisron wrote:
The above is opinion, not fact. And if it's such an open and shut case, why are scholars questioning it?
It is not the scholars questioning it it is deniers the historians revise their own evidence as it the case with the number of jews killed, being 5.7 million. The holocaust of everyone else was 11 million in total. DO holocaust deniers debate the murder of gypsies, homosexuals, or anyone who questioned the Nazi regime ? No they don’t, they focus on the jews of course and that is the bases of neo Nazis.
Going to debate this in another thread ronison? Want to put your money where your mouth is
Boots wrote:
You come from the position that dogsmilk, mikey, Luciferhorus, me etc, are extremist and therefore have an agenda, BS all I have done and other's is put up info, and it isn't debated, you get called a ZIOSHILL ETC. what holocaust deniers do is take one bit of info and say the whole holocaust is a lie.
ronisron wrote:
I said you guys are just as bad as the neo's. They say Jews, you say anyone who questions is a neo Nazi, a holocaust denier, a.....whatever.
That’s right holocaust deniers, because they don’t debate facts even when presented with evidence that refutes their claims. Then there are arrogant morons or sympathize with the Nazi regime because ti was the Nazi regime which said it was a worldwide jewish conspiracy.
ronisron wrote:
You are two sides of the same coin. Oh, and I never mentioned luciferhorus, I said you, flyermay, mikey and dogsmilk. One bit of info? No, there are lots of plot holes in the story, unfortunately.
Right then if you say there are many pot hole in the story then debate them
ronisron wrote:
It has been exploited to no end by the Zioniists to further their agenda. Jews are also dying in the "homeland" of Israel too, along with the Palestinians. They're all being killed off as one middling agent plays both sides against each other. The Talmud said that the Kingdom of David would be returned to the Jews after a Holocaust where 6 million Jews died.... and it was first suggested that a Holocaust occurred in 1919, after WWI, in the Ukraine..... then again, post WWII, when the "Homeland" (Kingdom of David??) of Israel was established.
Lol where does it say in the Talmud that there would be a holocaust? Provide the source of this claim?
Not talking about the Bible are you, your confusion the torah with the talumd the ot is part of the belief of Christianity
Boots wrote:
The Bay Pigs fiasco, Pearl Harbour, the sinking of the liberty by Israel, etc have all been question and the holocaust has been questioned for over 50 years so yes it has been questioned many times, to the point that it is flogging a dead horse. it is only nazi sympathizers who keep it alive and it inevitability turns to blaming the jew as a jewish conspiracy thats why there are holocaust denial laws, there are NO laws against revisionism in any country, only against denial.
ronisron wrote:
It's not Nazi to question the Bay of Pigs, or the Kennedy's, or MLK, or Archduke Ferdinand, The USS Liberty or any of those other incidents that all seem bound by a common thread and a common hand,
Who said it was Nazis to question these event’s your lumping in anyone in who question these things as neo naz. I haven’t
ronisron wrote:
it is people who want to know the TRUTH of these events. Why is it that it's only Nazi's that question the Holocaust?? Why must they be?? Or Anti Semitic?? It's bullshit. I'm interested in all of these things, from 100 years ago and more, to present day. We see through these things now like nothing, we know when someone is trying to fleece us. We need to revisit those old historical facts too, with the same open eyes and mind. We will then see that we've been lied to about a LOT of things, including the Holocaust. And that there is a string that runs through, a massive agnda that's been unfolding for a LONG time.
If only we dcould do away with those two mindsets of "It was the JEWS!!" vs "You are a Nazi/ anti Semite/Holocaust Denier!!" both are of the same coin. Chump change IMO.
Since you want to find the truth and believe in the things you’ve come across on the net then you should be able to debate it as you are interested in history, lets see who see’s through the lies.
what about this ronison.
( The Talmud said that the Kingdom of David would be returned to the Jews after a Holocaust where 6 million Jews died.) I thought this was rather interesting so I tried to find out where this came from, so I looked on the net and there was no reference to that except of course from xenophobic what I found is they referenced this to lecitivic 25 : 10.
SO I looked it up naturally and there is nothing like what is said
here,
bible.cc/leviticus/25-10.htm or
www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0325.htm anyone can read it for them selves.
You just repeat the very same things said over at dif
Unkraine? That's at one end, a very significant amount, or at the othert the entire world Jewish population in one fell swoop. Ridiculous. Oh, BTW, the Talmudic prophecy it seems was intentionally misinterpreted. "They shall enter the Kingdom when the messiah appears" is supposedly the literal translation, though it is accepted that the translation reads "They shall enter the Kingdon minus 6 million". This is not misquoted by someone seeking to deny the Holocaust of the Jews happened as stated, this is misquoted by someone looking to say that there is a prophetic manifest destiny at play in regards to the Holocaust after WWII. 
Lets smear someone to make a point. 
