As long as Jones, Icke etc are selling products then their messages need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

feather wrote:
You're right in doubting it. Rather than a lie or manipulation of the figures the 6 million is simply a case of going for the highest number given by historians -which always ranged between 3 and 6 million-, and which the media (and everyone else) simply use because it's the highest figure that can be reference. According to the same media Stalin killed 60 million people; yet it's well known that historians give all sort of figures down to as little as 8 million -that's 52 million difference-; yet I don't see anyone making a big deal out of it, or dropping the "60 million lie" at every chance; in this case, and because it wasn't about the Jews, they understand why everyone goes for the highest figure.

In reality, there is no "questioning the holocaust"... there's only promoting the same old Neo-Nazi lies (i.e. no gas chambers, no extermination, no death camps... and of course, the 6 million lie) because it's insulting towards the Jews and disrespectful towards the victims.

And just to be clear: I'm not saying that everyone who questions the holocaust is a Neo-Nazi; what I'm saying is that: why the hell do these people keep on repeating the same old Neo-Nazi lies; if it's true they don't have anything against the Jews or in favour of the Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites that came up with and promote this kind of well debunked nonsense?

There's nothing new or unanswered about the holocaust; it's the same old bullshit and the same old suspects that keep it alive.

dubmeup wrote:
Great post dub,i would add that there is a distinct possibility that many of the conspiracy websites and forums (not this one ) have been designed to lead disenfranchised people down a cul de sac.

feather wrote: Flyermay wrote:
I just wanted to amend your post a bit Fly mate because the section in red appeared to be erroneously attributed to me.

I find it amusing that darkmoon would come back here to post what he did after such a long time. I can guess the innocent response, as to why, but it doesn't wash with me.

The holocaust threads on dif have died down now. so why come over here and antagonize that? This is what I question, especially when darkmoon,aka resistance hasn't that much respect for this forum as he stated in the "david Icke forum" thread on here.

Darkmoon wrote:
More mirroring from the not-a-nazi "resistance

Yet again they just echo what they are themselves accused of.

So, resistance: no boots did not; quote it or it didn't happen.

Now off you trot to slag off SZ and pass off jew-bashing as "freedom of speech" while contradicting your freedom of speech stance with things like this:

I am very glad boots is here and you are over there. I thought you liked borders. Bye now

feather wrote:
Sorry about that; wasn't part of my post either.

I just took it off.

humanspirit wrote:
We have, however, already had that accusation levelled at us.

diamondgeezer wrote:
Well I have found that I have moved on from the "forgive and forget" denial stage, and even passed the "rise above stage" and now arriving at the "fuck'em" stage.

dia­mondgeezer this forum has a better vibe compared to other conspiracy/news websites,many of the members of SZ have more empathy and intellect compared to the green lizard nazi forum which i don't bother looking at anymore

Well done on setting up and maintaining this forum,all you need now is some gimmick to draw the punters in,how about the world is run by psychopaths and not aliens (no that's to hard to believe that. )

humanspirit wrote:
You say it as a joke, but it's not that far from the truth. Some people prefer to believe the dubious testimonies of a dozen people who affirm they saw shape-shifting reptilians from the 5th dimension, than the testimonies of 100s of prisoners, camp guards, and allied liberation forces who affirm the Nazis used gas chambers.

humanspirit wrote:
agreed
humanspirit wrote:
That is pretty much the truth as I see it.

Here's a Nazis idea of free speech just hours upon his return
bjornyvan;1061002730 wrote:

hey, why do you think they nurture that nazi vs jew atmosphere? is that what david icke likes to see? or sean the shewolf, is he a big nazi transvestite? i wonder why they seem to go there. moths to a flame. something attracts them and not much was done about it. i dont know how, nazi memos get passed at klan meetings? explain this to me

mikey mikey wrote:
I would have thought that the onus was on the denier to prove that it didn't...

diamondgeezer wrote:
Well quite right,

but it's worse than it looks.

The creep asks for proof of one thing after another and then when presented with it starts reporting and threatening anybody who respnded with answers that don't suit him.

It really seems to be a thing with the Hitlerphiles.

Emotional maturity of a toddler and the vindictiveness of a jilted mafia boss.

Forgive me if I say that I take a very simple attitude to this topic.

Did the Nazi's set up and run work camps?
Yes.
Were people selected for these work camps primarily based upon their ethnicity/religion?
Yes.
Did large companies profit from those work camps?
Yes.
Did large numbers die in those camps?
Yes.
Did the Nazi's operate a euthanasia programme targeted at the physically and mentally disabled?
Yes.

Ok. That's more than enough atrocities for me.
The fine details of how people died and the numbers involved, from a moral point of view, are irrelevant.
Get to fuck with any ideology that permits or excuses those policies.

As to who funded the Nazi adventure?
Let's get real folks.
Bankers will take a punt on anything which looks like they'll get a big return on their investment.
You think they give a shit who dies to make that return or how many?
Nigel please!!

Bet on all the horses in the race at great odds and you can't lose.
Who cares if you get paid in Deutschmarks, Rubels, Dollars, Pounds or Yen?
You get paid. Result!

It does indeed boil down to money. The problem with people like Icke is that he is running a business and perhaps lizards sell books or maybe he really believes that. Either way it is better to sell to naziis and commies and housewives and christians and hippies etc etc than to just one group. Have you seen how much an Icke book costs?

As for the forum it does appear to tolerate things from some that it doesn`t tolerate from others. Not sure if this is policy or just down to luck of the draw or individual moderators etc. Really though it is one thing to allow discussion of the holocaust but once that discussion ends up in forum invasion and racism etc then it is time to lay down the law.

When a conspiracy site starts to feel like stormfront it is time to get yourself out of there unless you want to waste away your days hitting your head against a wall.

feather wrote:
I absolutely 100% agree with this. And when it's pared down to those basic facts, I see no room for logical argument whatsoever.

Very well said, that man!

Have to say that visiting the headlines page of the Icke site today and clicking on the Pussy riot article, I did go a bit when i read the page it linked to:
landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/rus...ars-jail-for-us.html

Why does the webmaster of that place consistently make these perhaps unwise decisions?