sharks are swarming in hails of shill and zionist sock their battle cry ,the
conspiracy addict needs a fix and tbe sharks know it .

shotokan;1060995156 wrote:
This is a real truth telling site.
Shotokan is a dick. A hearty dick at that. Though by the way he rants on he'll up with a dicky heart instead.

mikey mikey wrote:
was that the phone ?
perhaps not lol
id love to.see moderator below your name on the dif how cool.would that be es would shit a kidney lol

mushy wrote:
Thanks mushy but no thanks.

Incidentally Shotkanazi is now banned.

Cue another incarnation......that will no doubt be equally loathsome and tolerated until it really can't be ignored anymore

dubmeup wrote:
All too likely.

Looking (lurking) around places like VNN forum a few years ago was a discovery that DIF is regarded as "one of us" by the extreme right and the white supremacists.
I made the admin there aware of this but we all know now why that was a waste of time.

Yes you're not alone in pointing out the thoughts of white supremacist websites regarding the DIF to certain admin Mikey.
It went to the ridiculous extreme in the chatroom here that time when Sean appeared to deny any knowledge of places like Stormfront......then asked us to provide him with proof that SF are not exactly ignorant of the DIF......

ronisron wrote:
There is something I don't understand about this argument: if you don't have anything to do with Neo-Nazis, why do you keep on repeating their lies and propaganda against the Jews (what you call "questioning the holocaust")?

We (me and others, here and on the other forum) have explained why the media says 6 million, we explain that confronting Neo-Nazi lies doesn't mean we are pro Zionists, and we have explained how this kind of prejudices are in fact anti-Semitism (whether you accept the meaning of this word or not), yet you keep on repeating this kind of stuff at every chance. Why?

What interest do you have in promoting this nonsense; if you do not have anything against the Jews or in favour of the Neo-Nazis that foment it?

I know you will not answer... but just think about it for a while.

One FUBAR post
plam;1060997403 wrote:
And this went largely unchallenged.

What a bunch of @%$£&"*)£&*^"

Nice site you have there

You must be so fucking proud:seanypat:

mikey mikey wrote:

I have wondered what the OP of that thread actually eats,and if he is as robust a individual as he projects himself to be.

Now where have I seen those views mooted before?
Oh yeah ............

Nazi propaganda for their compulsory "euthanasia" program:



"This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community 60,000 Reichsmark during his lifetime. Fellow Germans, that is your money, too."

They also implemented a number of "positive" eugenics policies, giving awards to "Aryan" women who had large numbers of children and encouraged a service in which "racially pure" single women could deliver illegitimate children. Allegations that such women were also impregnated by SS officers in the Lebensborn are common, but unproven.

Also, "racially valuable" children from occupied countries were forcibly removed from their parents and adopted by German people. Many of their concerns for eugenics and racial hygiene were also explicitly present in their systematic killing of millions of "undesirable" people including Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses and homosexuals during the Holocaust (much of the killing equipment and methods employed in the death camps were first developed in the euthanasia program). The scope and coercion involved in the German eugenics programs along with a strong use of the rhetoric of eugenics and so-called "racial science" throughout the regime created an indelible cultural association between eugenics and the Third Reich in the postwar years.

ronisron wrote:
Absolutely ron, boots is grossly misrepresenting my post. It's good to see some people still think for themselves buddy. I don't think they want moderates questioning the holacaust, they want everybody who questions the official line to be associated with some nazi group, thus criminalizing people who question it as nazi haters. It's obvious what's happening here really, it took me a while to see it, but it's blatant once you step back and think about it properly. It's hardly a secret that staunch nazi groups on the web have been set up for that very purpose. I wouldn't trust boots as far as I could see them after that post btw, obvious much.

myshoono wrote:
Precisely, you had better watch the common sense and balanced views, some people don't like it, and would prefer you belong to either their camp or the nazi camp. Which one are you? You're either with us or against us, there's no straight down the middle allowed in the 'truth movent' . It's simple if you dare question the 6 million nonsense, then you must be a nazi... why else would you question it

the bolded part is simply not true - the estimated number of people killed during ww2 has been under constant revision.

What interests me is the motives of those questioning.

There are those who acknowledge that the number is an estimate and seek to be able to revise that estimate to a specific number and in doing so put names to those who died in remembrance. Who see no big lie just an estimate that was reached through various bits of evidence and may or may not be lowered as more is uncovered - either way there was still a programme implemented to kill subjugate and 'remove' jews based purely on their religion or perceived religious affiliations and other people considered 'undesirable' because of their ethnicity, sexual preference or their disabilities.

On the other hand there are those who believe that the number given was done so as a malicious lie in order to manipulate the populace into furthering an agenda. If those people are of the belief that it was a lie told by 'jewish people' to enhance 'jewish interests' i would say that those are rooted in an incredibly cynical and mistrustful feelings about jewish people and therefore anti Semitic.

If people come from a belief that the numbers were made up and lied about by an unspecified group of 'elites' who play with the world in much the same way that zeus is seen manipulating events in that classic cheese fest the clash of the titans. fair play - you don't think it was 'teh joos' and instead see them as being as used and manipulated as everyone else.


then there are those who are of the belief that no jews were harmed in the making of the holocaust - and that actually they were just housed in holiday camps and did the odd bit of work for the war effort - that there was no plot to eradicate jews, homosexuals, gypsies and those not deemed to be 'aryan'. that hitler was a stand up guy and is being unfairly treated by those who write history - that facism is the way forward and anyone who disagrees is a fucking commie. those are indeed neo nazis.

thoreau wrote:

I agree Darkmoon that certain countries laws on revisionism are um well um draconian and highly questionable.
I also agree with thor that there are many motivations for looking into such things.
I agree that truth doesn't fear scrutiny, perhaps with that in mind you spend a lot of your forum time in the wrong place

I have to say that when I read your post over there I was split. Part of me went yeah, fair shout. Another part of me read it and thought it looked rather like a heads up to some if you catch my drift.

dubmeup wrote:
it was both, not so much a heads up, more a warning for people to pull their socks up, because I now realise there's people who are double agents playing both sides while stiring racial hatred and divide. Some people are falling for the bait. Like I said, I see nothing wrong with questioning history, including genocide and war, I don't care who it involves.

it is true that the estimated numbers killed have been under constant revision - it is also true that some countries criminalise those who attempt to belittle, minimise the crimes committed or outright deny the crimes committed by national socialism during ww2.

the two positions can both be true.

i would probably agree with what you are saying on a much stronger level then i do were the denial laws universal - they are not - the majority of countries do not imprison people for denying the holocaust.

That is why i personally am more interested in the motivation and place in their belief system holocaust denial or revisionism comes under then the why is it banned in some countries and not others - because i am of the belief that there was a concerted effort made to eliminate those deemed undesirable and the countries which allowed those people who brought it about to come to power do not want to see a repeat.

if the elite truly had something to hide then the countries i would expect to imprison those questioning the holocaust would include my own and america. it doesnt. no one has offered up any explanation for that....

Darkmoon wrote: Fair shout for answering so openly and honestly
I personally think that the whole "conspiracy" "truther" thing is FUBAR. Absolutely awash with agendas, disinformation, hypocrites and outright charlatans. In the main I think it does as much harm as good. All the talk of "sheeple" and stuff makes me want to vomit. It's pure elitism. The hypocrisy of places like the DIF which WILL NOT tolerate scrutiny of Icke's "truth" and allows the level of outright bigotry that it does, similarly makes me sick. It's a shame.
Many many people are sniffing the air, listening to their inner voice and realising that this "world" we live in is insane. It's becoming increasingly obvious isn't it. It's natural for many of them to end up visiting places like Prison Planet, the DIF etc. It's a shame that when they get to those places, they're presented with what we all see.........

Whatever the reasons may have been for manipulating the holocaust figures, (if indeed that did happen), that purpose was achieved decades ago. Investigation of it now is purely academic. There should be no limitations placed upon academia imo, especially statutory ones with prescribed punishments.

We can't change the past but you can use it to influence the future.
That's the issue for me now, how people or groups may want to utilise the information/figures to make sweeping assertions in order to effect current or future policy. That in itself is worthy of cautious study.

All that said, I am weary of the subject being used as a device for division and as a catalyst for confrontation.
Whatever truth there was is long lost in the mists of time.