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The mormons and money 12 Jul 2012 16:23 #1

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I just thought some folk would enjoy this :)

www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-07-10...e-mormons-make-money

They are a part of the xtian fundie right in the US that sees the jews as being disposable useful idiots.
It ties in well with boots post about what zionism is really all about, especially today right now, not in 1947.
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Re: The mormons and money 12 Jul 2012 16:42 #2

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Well, one of them gave me a book for free once. Unfortunately, it was the Book of Mormon.
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Re: The mormons and money 12 Jul 2012 17:09 #3

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These guys are really wacko...

transfigurism.org/pages/about/mormon-transhumanist-affirmation

transfigurism.org/pages/about/transhumanist-declaration

This is Mitt Romney btw...

The mormons also make much reference to the word 'Zion'..
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Re: The mormons and money 12 Jul 2012 22:25 #4

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This is why some people are skeptical about many if not all organised religions regardless of the dogma.
They just come across as pyramid sales systems using a god as their managing director/ceo
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Re: The mormons and money 12 Jul 2012 22:51 #5

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The Fortune of the Mormon Church

Lewis Willis
Akron, Ohio



The Akron Beacon Journal (6-30-91), published an article about the Mormon Church. The article was based on an investigation by another newspaper, the Arizona Republic. The thrust of the investigation had to do with the finances of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The Arizona Republic reported that the Mormon Church is "an $8 billion-a-year corporation, comparable with Union Carbide and Borden Products." If you should place them on the Fortune 500 list of industrial corporations, they would rank about 110th.

The "newspaper said that it was able to conclude that the Mormon Church controls at least 100 companies or businesses. . . Never borrows money to finance its acquisitions. It pays cash, using a portion of its members' contributions and its business income. . . Has become one of the nation's largest private landowners, with holdings in all 50 states . . . Has an investment portfolio of stocks and bonds in excess of $1 billion . . . Appoints spiritual leaders who can double as business leaders to oversee real estate, communications, tourism, insurance and education operations."

Two of its investments, ZCMI Department Stores and Beneficial Life Insurance Co., have grown into multimillion-dollar operations. They have amassed more than $1 billion in farm, ranch and other real estate holdings. Among these holdings are 315,000 acres near Orlando, Florida, said to be worth $250 million.

The newspaper said, "The diversified corporate organization built by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is apparently free of financial fraud or personal wealth-building among top officials." Mormons are required by religious doctrine to tithe 10 percent of their gross income. About 1/3 of Mormon families are thought to do so. The majority of the church's money is spent for religious purposes: worship, missions and education, according to the newspaper.

"The newspaper said the figures (about the financial worth of the Mormon Church, LW) were conservative estimates based on an eight-month investigation. Accurately assessing the church's finances from the outside is impossible, however, because Mormon leaders in 1959 stopped releasing financial reports, even to their own members."

From these facts and figures, it is rather evident why the Mormon Church has such clout in our country. It is also obvious why the state of Utah bows to their wishes, since Salt Lake City is their headquarters and their members dominate the population. But, is all of this scriptural?

The New Testament Church is clearly different from such operations as the Mormon Church. If one knew nothing of the doctrines of the two churches, the difference between them would still be evident. The Mormon Church is either a church which has gone into business, or, a business which operates a church. The New Testament Church is content to be nothing but the church.

You can look through every page of the New Testament and you will be unable to find anything indicating that the First Century Church was also a business enterprise. There are no commands, approved apostolic examples or statements that necessarily infer that God intended the church to be in business. In other words, the Scriptures are silent on this matter.

Some think that they are authorized to act if the Scriptures are silent. Nothing could be farther from the Truth. In fact, the very opposite is the case. Does God's silence about mechanical instrumental music mean that it is alright to use it? I believe God was silent about using cornbread and buttermilk on the Lord's table. Does that mean that it is alright to use these elements, instead of the unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine? God was silent about infant baptism. Does his silence constitute authority for us to start baptizing babies? He was silent about sprinkling as an acceptable form of baptism. Does his silence indicate consent?

The answer to all of the questions above is evident. God's silence is not consent. In fact, God's silence is a prohibition against action, because such action is unauthorized. The Lord's church recognizes such, and limits its action accordingly. Therefore, it does not own land, department stores, insurance companies, or stocks and bonds, etc. When a church is engaged in such business enterprises, that becomes one way of identifying that it is not the New Testament church.

The church of Christ will continue to teach its members that God said, "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come" (1 Cor. 16:2). We will continue to exhort, "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver" (2 Cor. 9:7). We believe that such is sufficient to enable the church to do the work that God assigned to it: evangelism, benevolence and edification (Eph. 4:12). The commandments of the Lord shall remain in force in the church of Christ, thus distinguishing it from the churches of men, which set themselves up in business. And, we shall note the difference so that all can see.

Guardian of Truth XXXV: 21, 641, 663
November 7, 1991

www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume35/GOT035298.html
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Re: The mormons and money 12 Jul 2012 23:28 #6

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Want a fun lunch conversation,ask a Mormon about blind dates.
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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 01:08 #7

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andyh wrote:
Mormonempire


I just thought some folk would enjoy this :)

www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-07-10...e-mormons-make-money

They are a part of the xtian fundie right in the US that sees the jews as being disposable useful idiots.
It ties in well with boots post about what zionism is really all about, especially today right now, not in 1947.

Thanks for this andyh, would you mind if I used some of that info in the zionism thread I started?
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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 01:15 #8

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Boots wrote:

Thanks for this andyh, would you mind if I used some of that info in the zionism thread I started?

Go for it!
I see the mormons as being simply more of the xtian fundie angle so to speak.
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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 01:18 #9

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Transhumanism is one of the cornerstones in the NWO plan and here is Mitt Romney backing it 100%
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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 01:20 #10

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Boots wrote:
Transhumanism is one of the cornerstones in the NWO plan and here is Mitt Romney backing it 100%

;)

Got it in one Boots :)
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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 02:43 #11

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If Mitt Romney becomes president, then maybe we have an antichrist scenario
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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 03:10 #12

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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 06:30 #13

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'tis an interesting subject. Mormons are clearly a cult and I think they're quite insidious at that too... There's few of them in Finland too. Some years back they used to be preaching in the city park during the jazzfestival every summer. They weren't there this year though.
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Rick wrote:
Want a fun lunch conversation,ask a Mormon about blind dates.

G'day Rick.

Or you could ask them about planet Kolob ;) :D ...


Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work published by Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",[1] it also refers to planets as stars,[2] and therefore, some LDS commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3] Other Latter Day Saints (commonly referred to as Mormons) consider Kolob to be a metaphor.

Kolob has never been identified with any modern astronomical object and is not recognized as an ancient concept by modern Egyptology. Kolob is rarely discussed in modern LDS religious contexts, but it is periodically a topic of discussion in criticism of Mormonism. The idea appears within LDS culture, including an LDS hymn about it.[4] Kolob is also the inspiration for the fictional planet Kobol within the Battlestar Galactica universe, created by Glen A. Larson, a Mormon.

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'tis an interesting subject. Mormons are clearly a cult and I think they're quite insidious at that too... There's few of them in Finland too. Some years back they used to be preaching in the city park during the jazzfestival every summer. They weren't there this year though.



G'day Hexhammer.

They are definitely insidious, as the above documentary highlights. :thumbup:

From memory, the mormon church spent $22 million to influence the vote against same gender marraige. :roll:
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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 07:49 #16

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Very good cartoon giving History of Mormonism.


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Re: The mormons and money 13 Jul 2012 08:41 #17

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Geeezz that was pretty fucked up nir­vana thanks for posting that. If that's what the Mormons think then I'm just blown away at the BS they have led people into.

@ IAAIA, thanks also for the vid you posted that was very interesting as well.
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41djbrooks wrote:
If Mitt Romney becomes president, then maybe we have an antichrist scenario

With John Bolton as his chief foreign policy advisor even I would say you're on the money there..
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41djbrooks wrote:
If Mitt Romney becomes president, then maybe we have an antichrist scenario

With John Bolton as his chief foreign policy advisor even I would say you're on the money there..

I didn't know that about John Bolton, thanks andyh.

Is this a lead up to the biblical story of Armageddon with the Mormons as front runner's, I wonder.
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Boots wrote:
Geeezz that was pretty fucked up nir­vana thanks for posting that. If that's what the Mormons think then I'm just blown away at the BS they have led people into.

@ IAAIA, thanks also for the vid you posted that was very interesting as well.



G'day Boots.

Bill Maher says it well in the above video. :thumbup:

ALL religions that I have looked into have their 'crazy' aspect to them.

Look at christ-insanity, commonly known of as christianity. There are over 38,000 denominations ... which equals 38,000 different religions all claiming to be 'Christian' TM. No wonder there is no definitive bible of the hundreds (thousands ?) in print. Simply reading a bible will show you how ridiculous the notions contained in it actually are. For instance ...

Matthew 27:51- 53, “And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

... the above could be a script for a zombie movie. Yet 'Christian' TM believe that it is the 'inspired divine word of God'. :roll:

And the above isn't even going into the contradictions that are contained in the bible narrative.
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