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Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 16:48 #1

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Coincidentally on the same day as Jobcentre Plus staff are (quite rightly) on strike:

www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/a...he-dole-cheats-trail

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/aug/13/j...strike?newsfeed=true
Jobcentre staff go on strike

Union members in 32 call centres in England, Scotland and Wales take action over 'draconian' working conditions

Thousands of Jobcentre staff will go on strike on Monday in a long-running row over "oppressive working conditions and unrealistic targets".

More than 6,000 members of the Public and Commercial Services Union in 32 call centres in England, Scotland and Wales will walk out in a repeat of industrial action first taken last year.

They claim "draconian" conditions are preventing them from providing a decent service.

The PCS general secretary, Mark Serwotka, said: "With unemployment remaining high and our economy in the grip of recession, it is shameful that Jobcentre bosses are still refusing to let their staff provide the kind of help and advice that people need.

"These call centres provide a vital lifeline. Inquiries are often complicated, and people struggling to find their way around the benefits system are often understandably desperate and upset, but staff are being forced to end calls as quickly as possible just to meet an artificial target.

"Our members care about the services they provide and they want to be able to help people properly, not have to fob them off."

The union said Jobcentre bosses were only interested in getting claimants off the phone rather than dealing with their inquiries properly.
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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 16:54 #2

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Thanks wub.

Nature of call centres really though, innit? I worked in a similar housing call centre where the ethos was much the same. So much so, that temp staff were eventually brought in with little or no training, just to field calls.

Irony is however, the lack of training and eagerness to get people off the phones and meet KPIs, meant people invariably had to call back to chase up stuff that never got done right in the first place.

I did try and explain this to management but they weren't very keen on listening. :coffee:

Actual, physical job centres are on the way out too, especially with these new 'training providers'. :roflha:

Apparently, a new system is now being rolled out across the country whereby you no longer get your allotted four mins with an actual job centre advisor when you go to sign-on. Instead, you submit your work 'diary' at reception, who issue a new one for the next two weeks. If this diary is not completed to somebody, somewhere's satisfaction, your money will be stopped until any issues can be ironed out.

Woe betide you if you have any issues with the provider, also. I did and tried to complain, but was told to do so via the provider?!

Bye, bye Job Centre. :hi:
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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 17:15 #3

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Thanks wub.

Nature of call centres really though, innit? I worked in a similar housing call centre where the ethos was much the same. So much so, that temp staff were eventually brought in with little or no training, just to field calls.

Irony is however, the lack of training and eagerness to get people off the phones and meet KPIs, meant people invariably had to call back to chase up stuff that never got done right in the first place.

I did try and explain this to management but they weren't very keen on listening. :coffee:

Actual, physical job centres are on the way out too, especially with these new 'training providers'. :roflha:

Apparently, a new system is now being rolled out across the country whereby you no longer get your allotted four mins with an actual job centre advisor when you go to sign-on. Instead, you submit your work 'diary' at reception, who issue a new one for the next two weeks. If this diary is not completed to somebody, somewhere's satisfaction, your money will be stopped until any issues can be ironed out.

Woe betide you if you have any issues with the provider, also. I did and tried to complain, but was told to do so via the provider?!

Bye, bye Job Centre. :hi:
For my sins in a previous life, I worked in a Jobcentre 'contact' centre for six months.

I had this conversation several times:

- It's not really a 'contact' centre, is it? It's a call centre.
- No, it's a contact centre.
- How do you contact the 'contact' centre?
- By telephone.
- Can you contact the 'contact' centre any other way?
- Not really.
- How does this differ from a call centre?
* Manager walks off *

While I greatly sympathise with you having to work in a call centre, Abs, I suppose you could make the distinction that the Jobcentre 'contact' centre is supposed to be helping people, quite often pretty poor people at that. Not that companies should treat their staff / customers like shit, but it seems pretty repulsive for a public service to be run in this way.
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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 17:21 #4

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I agree entirely, wub. The one I was in was for a housing association, so I felt similarly that there were occasions when it really shouldn't have mattered how long we were on the bloody phone for.

Ultimately though, as I said, trying to make such services run like that doesn't work, in my experience. For "customers" or staff.
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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 17:31 #5

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I'm sure Jobcentre interviews will eventually be conducted like this:

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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 17:34 #6

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suelily

13 August 2012 2:26AM

1st side of the coin; these people are not trained to handle suicidal people, and that is happening, 2nd side of coin; havnt they realised yet that they are going to be made redundant ????? ask atos

Quite liked this comment at the guardian website too.

I'm not proud of it, but when I was at my lowest and teetering very close the edge myself, I happened to be signing on at the time. For one reason or another (actually...I'd been instructed to go to A&E by my GP for feeling suicidal) I missed a signing appt.

Anyway, the way I was subsequently treated by job centre staff was pretty abysmal, even with written 'proof'. I agree, there probably is an element of there not being adequate training to deal with 'real' people appropriately, but for the most part, and you may have experience otherwise, wub, it's that whole ethos of getting people in and out as quickly as possible.

I'm sure they probably breed some of the managers of the actual, physical job centres in the same place as they do the 'contact centres'.
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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 17:34 #7

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A good friend of mine works for the Social Fund doing the budgeting loans and she has described it as a "glorified call centre" on a couple of occasions. The Social Fund is being phased out and local authorities will be responsible for it I believe.

Although she isn't in the Job Centre, it's still DWP and she isn't very happy about the reforms. Far from being a Fascist bully boy, she is actually a very nice lady who genuinely wants to help people.
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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 18:26 #8

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LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
A good friend of mine works for the Social Fund doing the budgeting loans and she has described it as a "glorified call centre" on a couple of occasions. The Social Fund is being phased out and local authorities will be responsible for it I believe.

Although she isn't in the Job Centre, it's still DWP and she isn't very happy about the reforms. Far from being a Fascist bully boy, she is actually a very nice lady who genuinely wants to help people.

But it's not the staff who are fascist bullies - it's the government behind them.

I have a friend who started working for them a few months ago, & can't stand it. She said they have staff meetings every morning for no good reason. The last time I spoke with her, they had a staff meeting to have cake because of it being some anniversary of that office, and meanwhile, while they were off the phones eating said cake, there were desperate people hanging and hanging on the phones. Some of whom were in tears because they'd been sent a parcel of food (good) but had no means of cooking it, due to having no funds for gas / electric.

A few years ago, I was auditing for a debt-collection company.

The debts being collected on behalf of the government were outrageous. They were all cases where over the decades, paper & computer records had been lost by various departments, so they had this company sending demands out of the blue, to people for having monies outstanding for budgeting loans/ over-payment of dole etc etc, from anything up to 30 years ago.

These people were told that if they disputed the 'debts'. the onus was on them to prove they didn't owe it. Criminal in my book!
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Re: Yet More Useful Broadcasting About Unemployment 13 Aug 2012 18:40 #9

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That must have been a horrible job Gilly. I don't envy DWP staff who have to deal with the public either.
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