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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 11 Jan 2013 16:54 #1

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Don't agree with everything he says, but less economically illiterate than most MPs.

The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 11 Jan 2013 18:45 #2

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Straight from the Dune novel.

A large populace held in check by a small but powerful force is quite a common situation in our history. And the elite know the major conditions where this large populace may turn upon its keepers.
When the people chose a leader. This is the most volatile threat to the powerful, they must retain control of those leaders.

When the populace recognizes its chains. Keep the populace blind and unquestioning at any cost.

When the populace perceives a hope of escape from bondage, it is a must that they must never even believe that escape is possible!

To destroy or create a system, one must be in control of it.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 11 Jan 2013 19:51 #3

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Don't agree with everything he says, but less economically illiterate than most MPs.


Its basically the standard mises economic libertarian viewpoint.
It is correct in as far as it goes, however the application of such a thing would result in far more than mere 'pain' for a country the size of the UK.
The welfare system though expensive is NOT the cause, again these ayn rand types tend to avoid that little discussion.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 11 Jan 2013 20:01 #4

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andyh wrote:
Its basically the standard mises economic libertarian viewpoint.
It is correct in as far as it goes, however the application of such a thing would result in far more than mere 'pain' for a country the size of the UK.
The welfare system though expensive is NOT the cause, again these ayn rand types tend to avoid that little discussion.
Yeah, I know, I obviously disagreed with what he was saying about welfare which was ridiculous.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 12 Jan 2013 10:40 #5

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The one thing they always fail to mention is, where much of the investment is being re-routed to, the sheer percentages of profit that is made in Asia minor and major alone, from those investors is being moved around in the form of debts to service the social slavery program, and mothball the work force here in the Uk for decades to come.

60 pence versus 60 quid a day is the difference as many already know.

It is quite obvious like the 25-39 model where millions will real trades moved globally, that they intend to impoverish all those not keen enough to survive once again, this cycle of cycles, they will find out soon enough, as the wolves in sheeps clothing take their eyes and the sockets for standing still.

jessop's and Honda are the model coming into view for the final stages. I have seen what is coming whilst walking the streets of East Berlin in the early 80's. Watch the immediate enviornment rather than films, designed only to precondition you all into a form of exceptance, these are the circuses and the handouts the bread to the semi skilled or skilless.

Again, skill up while you can, from the last generation with true life skills, honed over many years, and get ready to fly as most with these skills have already done in house, the final takedown begins as one ignores their own eyes yet again.

Too many distractions and re-broadcasts and reactions culminating in no alternatives evens out the clowns following the pipers not on paper but on a silver screen.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 14 Jan 2013 00:11 #6

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What MPs want there salary to increase to.

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On average Tories wanted £96,740, Lib Dems £78,361 and Labour MPs a mere £77,322. Labour’s policy is to freeze public sector pay for nurses, teachers, policemen and soldiers. The UK average income is £26,500.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 14 Jan 2013 01:14 #7

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The national debt being a crisis was a con, always was. If we were serious about needing to save money we wouldn't be paying Afghans to shoot our soldiers. We wouldn't have been bombing Libya. We wouldn't be letting MPs flip second homes on expenses. What we've seen is the economic equivalent of the way that the 9/11 attacks were used to justify torture and indiscriminate wars. "But we're at war!" has been replaced with, "But we're broke!" and that excuse is being used to fuck the poor. Not just the jobless, not just the disabled, the poor. And kick the proceeds to the rich.

It continues the trend of the poor carrying the can for the banking collapse. Every penny and every cent of the cost of the banking collapse, the money needed to ensure that the fat cats don't feel so much as a bump in the road as the economy shatters, has come from the pockets of ordinary people.

A friend of mine summed this up really well.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 14 Jan 2013 10:17 #8

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Thing is, they hold the unvoted have destroyed your kingdom and call themselves king, hold the keys to the safe and rule the roost. Where as the people pulling cart need a vision of how to remove themselves from a situation they clearly nevet expected to be in once again, without a fight with the crows.

Its a stuck record folks, we now know what is afoot, its old news, our skilled hands have collected since the 60's around a 400% wage on real terms rise, the gov 1300%, its always been that way because we got lazy, by walking upon childerick, no excuses, while the devious used this model to model the whole.

Yet again, the way out of this cesspit, is to take our labour away from those who use childerick to create heady murder, theft of the labour, and start anew, its the only way.

The whole would regain their whole without a fight, turn the idle weapons of forward contact into machinery for making other things, regain the energy in house, and share equally their surpluses.

This is how Mr Wurth made his fortune, by dismantling the machines of war, nut by nut, wheel by wheel, making use of every part into something else, a very clever man indeed.

This nation have become very lazy by being steered towards a killing, both on the field and in store, if they continue to ignore the way forward, they deserve what others think they should have, its quite simple.

Skill up, stop moaning and start working for each other, stop figjting shadows, remove yourself from the battle using legs that are made for walking from situations that others will let you destroy.

What is the golden rule and what it creates if followed as intended, right across our whole, children included.

This is my last post, I wish you all the very best with what will be left.
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Conservative MP - Collapse of UK Debt-Ridden Social System Inevitable 14 Jan 2013 10:24 #9

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Nah, we've not seen a 400% rise.
Spending power peaked in the 70's for most people.

Certainly todays billionaires have seen massive % rises, politicians too but they're just upper middle class.

The only thing thats increased for joe average is how much money we can borrow. Earnings in real terms have gone down, not up.
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