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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 00:17 #1

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The biggest social housing landlord in the north west says almost a quarter of its tenants subject to the so-called "bedroom tax" are being forced to leave their homes.

From April, social housing tenants deemed to be under-occupying their properties will be charged an under-occupation penalty, which will be deducted from their housing benefit entitlements.

Riverside Housing, which manages 50,000 properties nationwide, says 24 per cent of its tenants who will be affected are searching for alternative accommodation, while 63 per cent intend to stay in their homes and pay the penalty.

The new levy, dubbed the "bedroom tax", is central to the government's welfare reform agenda, but has attracted criticism from housing associations and charities.
Under-occupied

The penalty will be applied to working age social housing tenants who are judged to be under-occupying their homes. Couples and children of the same sex are expected to share a room, as are any two children under 10 regardless of gender.

Tenants with disabilities will also be subject to the penalty, unless a bedroom is used by a non-resident carer who stays overnight.

Jayson and Charlotte Carmichael from Southport received a letter informing them they will be expected to contribute an additional £11.90 per week towards the cost of their two bedroom flat.

Charlotte suffers from spinal bifida and sleeps in a hospital-style bed which is designed especially for her condition, while Jayson sleeps in the second bedroom. The couple are now deemed to be under-occupying the property.
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The letter tells them their options are to pay the penalty, move to a smaller home or take in a lodger.

"It's so depressing," says Charlotte. "I have to sleep in this bed. I didn't ask to live like this."

"I'll have to give up bus travel," says Jayson. "And we'll have to cancel the television subscription.

"I don't know why we're being penalised. We're not under-occupying this flat. Charlotte needs to sleep in a hospital bed because she's severely disabled. We're already pushed for space with all the medical equipment. It's disgraceful."
Hardest hit in the north

The housing benefit changes are expected to hit hardest in the north of England, where there are fewer one and two bedroom properties available to social housing tenants.

It is predicted that 600,000 people will be affected nationwide, around 20 per cent of social housing tenants. However, in some parts of the North West more than 40 per cent of those in social housing will be subject to the penalty.

"Nobody wants to move, but some people have to because they simply won't be able to pay," says Christine Frazer from Riverside Housing.

"The problem is those that are moving to avoid the penalty need one and two bedroom flats and there just aren't the properties for them. We work so hard to build strong communities, but a quarter of people leaving all at once will tear them apart and there'll be more anti-social behaviour."
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According to figures from the Department for Work and Pensions around 600,000 one bedroom flats will be needed to accommodate tenants currently under-occupying larger homes, but national housing stocks for this kind of property stand at just 300,000.

In the Liverpool city region there are 10 potential tenants for each one bedroom flat that comes on the social housing market. Estimates suggest it will take seven to eight years to find smaller properties for those willing to downsize in this area, not taking into account new demand.

Councillor Karen Garrido, leader of the Conservative group on Salford Council, admits the process will take time. Her advice to those facing a long wait to be re-housed is to move into the private rental sector or take in a lodger. She insists social landlords will not evict tenants who cannot afford to pay the under-occupation penalty.

However, while Riverside Housing says it will do all it can to assist those who come into financial difficulty, it admits repeated failure to pay will result in tenants being evicted from their homes.
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This is really making my blood boil. What next???????????? Window tax?
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 02:07 #2

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This is going to be so devasting for so many people. It's a fucking disgrace. Surely when this really starts to kick in there's going to be some kind of backlash from people?
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 08:58 #3

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It's an attack on the most vulnerable members of society. It would be great if we could jiggle things around so families and individuals were better matched to the size of their property. This is shit though, covering moving expenses or an incentive like that would be a much better idea.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 09:37 #4

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Will this affect MP's? :roll: It's the poor getting hammered again, it's a joke.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 09:45 #5

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Will this affect MP's? :roll: It's the poor getting hammered again, it's a joke.

It won't affect them at all. In fact, they love all this shit. As I sit here typing this very post, they are probably jizzing in their pants (paid for by tax payer) at the prospect of shafting yet more poor people.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 10:01 #6

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Yeah exactly :hahano:

It's probably another of the government's "tough decisions", well, it's easy to make "tough decisions" when they don't affect them in the slightest.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 10:17 #7

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I agree with all the above. Also, what a bag of poop! Isn't the size of each property / # of bedrooms already reflected in the rental charge to start with? I'd have thought so - so people who need more rooms are already paying more - they want to charge them the extra twice, or bully them into down-sizing!
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 10:36 #8

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LesleyPumpshaft wrote:

It won't affect them at all. In fact, they love all this shit. As I sit here typing this very post, they are probably jizzing in their pants (paid for by tax payer) at the prospect of shafting yet more poor people.

Indeed this is not so far from their true motivation for this bill: it is part of the ideological drive behind the Tories: i.e. revenge on the less well off for not being poor enough since the post-war dream.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 11:07 #9

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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 12:12 #10

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strange hey. all this food goes to waste and people are starving. all these empty houses and people get crammed into smaller and smaller spaces. life is epic troll.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 12:16 #11

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psketti wrote:
This is going to be so devasting for so many people. It's a fucking disgrace. Surely when this really starts to kick in there's going to be some kind of backlash from people?

Probably not.
Even if there is, probably just some riots & then it will go ahead anyway, like they do with everything.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 12:40 #12

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Riots seem to be nothing more than a dramatic Chimpanzee style display... the government expect riots.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 13:51 #13

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:mad: Not only but also ................


New 'poll tax' blow for UK's poorest

Reforms leave millions facing bills of up to £600

Millions of low-income households face a rise in their council tax bills costing them up to £600 a year from April under a "poll tax bombshell", according to new study.

People in low-paid jobs and those on benefits who currently pay little or no council tax will be hit with increased bills within months in three out of four local authorities, it has emerged.

Most councils have decided to reduce the council tax benefit available for residents on low incomes after central government imposed a 10 per cent cut on the total subsidy budget. At present 3.2 million working-age households receive such support.

The first picture of the new system's national impact emerges in a study by the Resolution Foundation think-tank, based on a survey by the New Policy Institute which reveals the intentions of 184 of the 326 local authorities in England. All councils must decide on their new systems by today.

About 74 per cent of those 184 councils will demand a new or higher payment from those on low incomes, meaning their support will be less generous than it is now. Two in three councils will impose a flat-rate cash cut.

Although the Government has provided a £100m transitional grant for councils, some Conservative MPs are worried about the prospect of a "second poll tax". The flat rate charge played a big part in Margaret Thatcher's downfall as Prime Minister in 1990 and was scrapped after she was forced to resign. At present, means-tested council tax benefit provides support to 5.9 million families, 3.2 million of which are of working age. It is being abolished on 1 April, when councils will provide local support.

They must maintain help for pensioners but there is no obligation to do so for the disabled, some of whom may face new charges. It is not yet clear how many disabled people might face cuts. According to today's report, many of the 2.5 million working-age jobless people on council tax benefit, who now pay no council tax, will have to find between £96 and £255 a year.

Of the 700,000 now receiving the benefit who are in work, most of whom pay some council tax, the worst affected will be single parents working part-time with children in childcare, whose council tax will range from £96 (a 55 per cent rise) to £557 a year (a 333 per cent increase). A typical couple with one partner in work will see their bills rise by between £96 (up 12 per cent) and £304 a year (up 37 per cent).

The report, No Clear Benefit, warns that the shake-up could undermine the drive to make work pay by phasing in universal credit, which will streamline the benefits system, from this year.

Although the Government argues that "virtually no households" will lose more than 80p in the pound for every extra hour they worked, the foundation says that nine in 10 of those who will be on universal credit and who also receive council tax support look set to face tax rates of about 81p.

The think-tank found that many authorities are setting aside a reserve fund to cover non-payment of council tax under the new regime. With some people previously exempt being asked to pay £2 a week, the costs of pursuing non-payers in court may outweigh the revenue to the town halls, it warned. Council tax payers in Scotland and Wales are not affected because their devolved administrations will cover the 10 per cent funding cut.

Gavin Kelly, the foundation's chief executive, said: "Millions of England's poorest households… are already very close to the edge given falling wages, tax credits and benefits. Very few of those currently exempt from paying the full rate of council tax are expecting a large new bill to drop on to their doormat this spring. When it does, they are going to find it hard to cope."

Brandon Lewis, Local Government minister, said: "Spending on council tax benefit doubled under [Labour] and welfare reform is vital to tackle the budget deficit we have inherited. Under the last administration, more taxpayers' money was being spent on benefits than on defence, education and health combined. Our reforms will localise council tax support and give councils stronger incentives to support local firms, cut fraud, promote local enterprise and get people into work. We are ending the something for nothing culture and making work pay."

The Government may include parental drug or alcohol addiction when it brings in a new way of measuring child poverty that is not based solely on income, Iain Duncan Smith will say today. The Work and Pensions Secretary will reveal that a poll conducted for his department found that three-quarters of the public (74 per cent) believe that such addiction should be the most important issue when defining child poverty.

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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 13:58 #14

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psketti wrote:
This is going to be so devasting for so many people. It's a fucking disgrace. Surely when this really starts to kick in there's going to be some kind of backlash from people?

The only expected backlash is for them to vote labour next time round :)
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 14:37 #15

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the worst affected will be single parents working part-time

Of course: it's a Tory government. Nu Liebor was Tory-lite

Now you got full strength Tory with added spite :suicide:
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 15:20 #16

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Mr. Wolf wrote:
Riots seem to be nothing more than a dramatic Chimpanzee style display... the government expect riots.

The government will be delighted to use riots as a reason to cut partakers' benefits & fling them out of council properties onto the streets.

How about peaceful demonstrations - or dragging politicians into the street & - best stop there before I get into Terrorism! Something's got to be done. Things are steadily getting worse & worse, and we can't keep justifying inaction.
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Gilly wrote:
Mr. Wolf wrote:
Riots seem to be nothing more than a dramatic Chimpanzee style display... the government expect riots.

The government will be delighted to use riots as a reason to cut partakers' benefits & fling them out of council properties onto the streets.

How about peaceful demonstrations - or dragging politicians into the street & - best stop there before I get into Terrorism! Something's got to be done. Things are steadily getting worse & worse, and we can't keep justifying inaction.

It would be nice if we could find an anti-apathy treatment. Some funky chemical we could add to the water supply. :)
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 19:22 #18

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It would be nice if we could find an anti-apathy treatment. Some funky chemical we could add to the water supply. :)

I know the very one :D

I've joked for years that if I was ever queen for a day, the first and only thing I would do is 'treat' the whole worlds water supply then sit back and enjoy the ride :D
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Turn the water supply off, that'll sort any apathy out!
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