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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 20:13 #21

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My way's more fun :coffee:

Indeed. :D

I wonder how much would be needed. :scheme:
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 20:22 #22

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What are you actually going to use? A combo could be nice maybe? How about a tiny bit of LSD to loosed inhibitions and open the doors of perception, some speed for energy and maybe some special brew?

Psketti is bound to have a better answer.
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Bedroom tax! 31 Jan 2013 20:33 #23

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This is going to be so devasting for so many people. It's a fucking disgrace. Surely when this really starts to kick in there's going to be some kind of backlash from people?

You'd think so, eh? I'm not holding my breath though, tbh...given that most of those it will effect will be of pensionable age or therabouts, or otherwise be way to busy trying to keep body and soul together to organise a rally.

That's just a guess though. :coffee:

Social housing in the UK = DEAD. Don't earn enough to house yourself and your family? Tough shit, motherfuckers.

What really pisses me off about this is that any social housing we actually still have left has more than likely paid for itself hundreds of times over less than a decade after it was built. Like I said though, most people in social housing actually don't have much time to worry about stuff like this.
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 00:20 #24

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:mad: Not only but also ................


New 'poll tax' blow for UK's poorest

Reforms leave millions facing bills of up to £600

Millions of low-income households face a rise in their council tax bills costing them up to £600 a year from April under a "poll tax bombshell", according to new study.

People in low-paid jobs and those on benefits who currently pay little or no council tax will be hit with increased bills within months in three out of four local authorities, it has emerged.

Most councils have decided to reduce the council tax benefit available for residents on low incomes after central government imposed a 10 per cent cut on the total subsidy budget. At present 3.2 million working-age households receive such support.

The first picture of the new system's national impact emerges in a study by the Resolution Foundation think-tank, based on a survey by the New Policy Institute which reveals the intentions of 184 of the 326 local authorities in England. All councils must decide on their new systems by today.

About 74 per cent of those 184 councils will demand a new or higher payment from those on low incomes, meaning their support will be less generous than it is now. Two in three councils will impose a flat-rate cash cut.

Although the Government has provided a £100m transitional grant for councils, some Conservative MPs are worried about the prospect of a "second poll tax". The flat rate charge played a big part in Margaret Thatcher's downfall as Prime Minister in 1990 and was scrapped after she was forced to resign. At present, means-tested council tax benefit provides support to 5.9 million families, 3.2 million of which are of working age. It is being abolished on 1 April, when councils will provide local support.

They must maintain help for pensioners but there is no obligation to do so for the disabled, some of whom may face new charges. It is not yet clear how many disabled people might face cuts. According to today's report, many of the 2.5 million working-age jobless people on council tax benefit, who now pay no council tax, will have to find between £96 and £255 a year.

Of the 700,000 now receiving the benefit who are in work, most of whom pay some council tax, the worst affected will be single parents working part-time with children in childcare, whose council tax will range from £96 (a 55 per cent rise) to £557 a year (a 333 per cent increase). A typical couple with one partner in work will see their bills rise by between £96 (up 12 per cent) and £304 a year (up 37 per cent).

The report, No Clear Benefit, warns that the shake-up could undermine the drive to make work pay by phasing in universal credit, which will streamline the benefits system, from this year.

Although the Government argues that "virtually no households" will lose more than 80p in the pound for every extra hour they worked, the foundation says that nine in 10 of those who will be on universal credit and who also receive council tax support look set to face tax rates of about 81p.

The think-tank found that many authorities are setting aside a reserve fund to cover non-payment of council tax under the new regime. With some people previously exempt being asked to pay £2 a week, the costs of pursuing non-payers in court may outweigh the revenue to the town halls, it warned. Council tax payers in Scotland and Wales are not affected because their devolved administrations will cover the 10 per cent funding cut.

Gavin Kelly, the foundation's chief executive, said: "Millions of England's poorest households… are already very close to the edge given falling wages, tax credits and benefits. Very few of those currently exempt from paying the full rate of council tax are expecting a large new bill to drop on to their doormat this spring. When it does, they are going to find it hard to cope."

Brandon Lewis, Local Government minister, said: "Spending on council tax benefit doubled under [Labour] and welfare reform is vital to tackle the budget deficit we have inherited. Under the last administration, more taxpayers' money was being spent on benefits than on defence, education and health combined. Our reforms will localise council tax support and give councils stronger incentives to support local firms, cut fraud, promote local enterprise and get people into work. We are ending the something for nothing culture and making work pay."

The Government may include parental drug or alcohol addiction when it brings in a new way of measuring child poverty that is not based solely on income, Iain Duncan Smith will say today. The Work and Pensions Secretary will reveal that a poll conducted for his department found that three-quarters of the public (74 per cent) believe that such addiction should be the most important issue when defining child poverty.

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Shit's gonna blow.

I saw this in the paper today & was further infuriated at how hard we're getting shagged painfully up the Gary.
I can never remember all the other stuff that's happened along these lines recently... but there's quite a lot... I could do with a list just to remind me to be constantly furious with the government.
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 01:06 #25

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I could do with a list just to remind me to be constantly furious with the government.

You big liar. :D
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 01:07 #26

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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 01:58 #27

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What are you actually going to use? A combo could be nice maybe? How about a tiny bit of LSD to loosed inhibitions and open the doors of perception, some speed for energy and maybe some special brew?

Psketti is bound to have a better answer.

Quality MDMA. Tis the only way :psketti:
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 08:46 #28

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psketti wrote:
LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
What are you actually going to use? A combo could be nice maybe? How about a tiny bit of LSD to loosed inhibitions and open the doors of perception, some speed for energy and maybe some special brew?

Psketti is bound to have a better answer.

Quality MDMA. Tis the only way :psketti:

:hypo: :hypo:

Yes!

Oh, what a fun day that would be. :)
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 09:01 #29

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The drug against war!
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 09:06 #30

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psketti wrote:
LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
What are you actually going to use? A combo could be nice maybe? How about a tiny bit of LSD to loosed inhibitions and open the doors of perception, some speed for energy and maybe some special brew?

Psketti is bound to have a better answer.

Quality MDMA. Tis the only way :psketti:

How is MDMA going to help people rise up against their suppressors? Won't we all be too busy hugging people, telling people how much we love them and dancing to music and all that shit? Actually, I get your point, I'll vote for you psketti, but only if you also substitute sugar for cocaine.
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 13:35 #31

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psketti wrote:
LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
What are you actually going to use? A combo could be nice maybe? How about a tiny bit of LSD to loosed inhibitions and open the doors of perception, some speed for energy and maybe some special brew?

Psketti is bound to have a better answer.

Quality MDMA. Tis the only way :psketti:

Wouldn't the end result just be a massive orgy while listening to loud repetitive beats?
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 15:04 #32

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I'll bet I'm the only one who doesn't know what MDMA is. :(

Maybe the addition of flouride could just be sabotaged?
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 15:13 #33

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psketti wrote:
LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
What are you actually going to use? A combo could be nice maybe? How about a tiny bit of LSD to loosed inhibitions and open the doors of perception, some speed for energy and maybe some special brew?

Psketti is bound to have a better answer.

Quality MDMA. Tis the only way :psketti:

Wouldn't the end result just be a massive orgy while listening to loud repetitive beats?
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Bedroom tax! 01 Feb 2013 17:38 #34

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The drug against war!

:thumbup:

I think their more recent stuff has gone off the boil, but it's nice to see a bit of the ol' KMFDM. Had fun times seeing 'em live I have.

I was trying to think of something to say about the topic. But all I could think of was:

Fucking cunts persecuting people for the crime of being poor - again
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Bedroom tax! 03 Feb 2013 22:04 #35

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'Big Business' avoid paying tax, ordinary people can't - democracy or hypocrisy ?

One rule for them & another for the rest of us - 'We're All in This Together' are we 'David Cameron' ? - Two thirds of those hit by 'bedroom tax' are disabled !

According to the government's impact assessment, almost two thirds of the tenants affected by the so-called 'bedroom tax' are from households that contain someone who is disabled.

* 660,000 social housing tenants to be affected by 'bedroom tax'
* 420,000 of these households contain someone who is disabled

* Lisa Munden, has cerebral palsy, her partner and full-time carer Brett Fage live in a two bedroom house in Essex face paying the 'bedroom tax' because as a couple they are expected to share a room.

However, because of Lisa's condition Brett sleeps in the second bedroom for 90% of the time.

From April they will have to spend £80 a month on the second bedroom and this is placing a huge financial burden on them.

Watch the upsetting interview by clinking here: https://vimeo.com/58741106

* Alex Milne split up with his partner a year ago and his two children - Rhiann,10, and Billy, 3 - come to stay every weekend and on the holidays.

He lives in a two bedroom flat in Irvine near Glasgow. His daughter stays in the spare room when she comes to visit, but under the 'bedroom tax' he may be forced to downsize to a one bedroom flat. Alex believes he will be forced to starve & 'sacrifice food' to keep second room.

Alex says he can't afford the £40 a month it would cost to stay where he is but he is worried his children would not want to stay with him if they had to share a bed.

Listen Alex story by clinking here: https://vimeo.com/58744723

'Respect For the Unemployed & Benefit Claimants' members will be asking this question: What financial help is available for those hit by the 'bedroom tax'? - In truth ...... sod all !

The Conservatives in coalition government with the Liberal Democrats 'tell us' - those affected by the 'bedroom tax' may be able to apply for 'Discretionary Housing Payments'. However, these payments will not be available to everyone, prediction suggests only 10% effected, will be able to apply for help.

* The National Housing Federation says funding for the payments is capped at £30 million and this is not ring-fenced !
* Only foster carers and disabled people are eligible !
* Payments are granted at the discretion of local authorities !
* When the funding is gone, it's gone !

There's a severe shortage of smaller properties & this will leave many tenants deemed to have a 'spare bedroom' by the government leaving them 'stuck between a rock and a hard place'.

For example, it's been suggested by housing organisations that 180,000 tenants in England are ‘under-occupying’ two-bed homes. This means they will be forced to downsize or face a cut to their benefits.

But only 84,898 one-bed social homes became available for letting in 2011/12.

The housing shortage is particularly critical in the North of England and Scotland.
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Bedroom tax! 03 Feb 2013 22:09 #36

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But only 84,898 one-bed social homes became available for letting in 2011/12.

The housing shortage is particularly critical in the North of England and Scotland.
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See, this is where the housing benefit cap comes into play...these fuckers have thought this through, you know...

So, those under 35 and single will only be eligible for the rate available to rent a room in shared accomodation. That means, any unemployed young people will have to find the difference or try and make it up out of their JSA. I think the average rate would be about 75-80 quid a week, which when you consider that most one bed properties in the south east (council and housing assoc) go for about 150.00, that's quite a difference. Let alone what those in private rented accomodation have to pay.

Hence, there will be A LOT of vacant one bed properties come available when this all kicks in, purely because folks are quickly going to get into arrears if they aren't working and ultimately evicted.

Clever, eh?
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Bedroom tax! 03 Feb 2013 22:46 #37

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So let's say you've raised your kids and they've flown the coop but you're not so well and can't work.

You get hit with a 14% deduction from your housing benefit.

You can't get a move because there's a shortage on single bedroom housing.
So you're snookered.

"Ahh! How about I take in a lodger who is also toiling" you think .......... but ....... but
That would mean you lose your 25% single-occupier allowance/discount and would need to find that extra 11% more than you were losing in the first place.
You could try hitting your new lodger for it but they'll be getting limited housing benefit as well soooo maybe nope.

Oh and if you're not so well and have to claim for help with meds, health costs etc, you have to answer if anyone else helps pay your rent.
Betchya there's a Catch .22 clause behind that as well.

My daughter works as a part-time carer for a couple of guys. She's paid to sleep over in their place incase on or other fits during the night.
That's cool because she's paid to be there.

If I were unwell and she had to stay over here, naw, she's family. Doesn't count. wtf!!?

It's back to the "hurry up and die already you dead-weight slaves. Here's some stress to hurry you along.

Don't even start me about their ESA Work group pish!
If they mandate you to go, but you're not able to go, they can, and will, deduct £28.50 per week from your ESA.

Hold on, hold on ..... I was also mandated to pay national INSURANCE all my working life at heavy rates, where the fuck has that gone?
Oh YOU mismanaged that and I'm the cunt!? :mad:

None of this is about saving real money. They'd savage defence if that was really the objective. (LOLZ, as if!!)
Naw, this is naked ideology and outright class war.


................. and breathe! :mad:
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Bedroom tax! 03 Feb 2013 23:32 #38

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Ahh...but there will be LOTS of empty one bed properties come April, feather, cos of the housing benefit cap. See?

Clever.
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and if someones family member looked after them.
That would be a job number lost and money which could be going to a private care company wasted.

So if my lass signs up and goes to look after Mrs Smith next door.
Mrs Smith's lass could sign with the same outfit and come look after lil ole me.

2 jobs created, 2 fees charged by some corporate entity to the public purse for shoddy impersonal care.

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None of this is about saving real money. They'd savage defence if that was really the objective. (LOLZ, as if!!)
Naw, this is naked ideology and outright class war.

:bravo:

Really, the big crash and massive deficit was like Christmas for these wankers because it gave them an excuse to launch the war against poor people and ram through as many cuts as fast as possible, stripping away so much it would be incredibly difficult to put it back. "Austerity" never made sense in terms of cutting jobs and benefits because that = flatlining consumer spending for those affected + reduced spending by those fearful of being affected + stagnating wages = stagnating economy + further job losses as businesses fail due to less spending. This idea the private sector would magically replace all the jobs cut from the public sector was just some arbitrary fantasy from the outset. These people are basically ideological extremists, but their beliefs have become so normalised it becomes invisible to people.
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