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US Debt Thread 17 Aug 2013 14:14 #1

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The United States is currenly sixteen trillion, nine-hundred and four billion, four-hundred and five million, eight-hundred and fifty two thousand, four-hundred and sixty-three dollars in debt (in reality, it's far more than this, but these are the official Federal Reserve figures).

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The United States currently has one-hundred and twenty-five trillion, two-hundred and ninety-seven billion, seven-hundred and seventy-one million, two-hundred and fifty-two thousand, five-hundred and twenty-eight dollars of unfunded liabilities. The source of this information is the US Federal Reserve.

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US Debt Thread 17 Aug 2013 14:15 #2

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You can read a recent mainstream article about the US Treasuries bubble here:

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10...s-danger-levels.html
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US Debt Thread 11 Sep 2013 15:54 #3

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24039202
The income gap between the richest 1% of Americans and the other 99% widened to a record margin in 2012, according to an analysis of tax filings.

The top 1% of US earners collected 19.3% of household income, breaking a record previously set in 1927.

Income inequality in the US has been growing for almost three decades.

Overall, the pre-tax incomes of the top 1% of households rose 19.6% compared to a 1% increase for the rest of Americans.

And the top 10% of richest households represented just under half of all income in the year, according to the analysis.
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US Debt Thread 11 Sep 2013 16:25 #4

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24039202
The income gap between the richest 1% of Americans and the other 99% widened to a record margin in 2012, according to an analysis of tax filings.

The top 1% of US earners collected 19.3% of household income, breaking a record previously set in 1927.

Income inequality in the US has been growing for almost three decades.

Overall, the pre-tax incomes of the top 1% of households rose 19.6% compared to a 1% increase for the rest of Americans.

And the top 10% of richest households represented just under half of all income in the year, according to the analysis.


www.theguardian.com/money/2006/dec/06/bu...ss.internationalnews

World figures are truly shocking.
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US Debt Thread 11 Sep 2013 19:40 #5

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So, just how do the super rich manage to increase their income by 19% whilst the rest of us only average 1%, in a time of enforced, illusionary, austerity?

I suggest, there can only be one answer.

The super rich are all thieves.
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US Debt Thread 23 Sep 2013 12:35 #6

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www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-08/blink-...-by-11-trillion.html
The U.S. fiscal gap, calculated (by us) using the Congressional Budget Office’s realistic long-term budget forecast -- the Alternative Fiscal Scenario -- is now $222 trillion. Last year, it was $211 trillion. The $11 trillion difference -- this year’s true federal deficit -- is 10 times larger than the official deficit and roughly as large as the entire stock of official debt in public hands.

This fantastic and dangerous growth in the fiscal gap is not new. In 2003 and 2004, the economists Alan Auerbach and William Gale extended the CBO’s short-term forecast and measured fiscal gaps of $60 trillion and $86 trillion, respectively. In 2007, the first year the CBO produced the Alternative Fiscal Scenario, the gap, by our reckoning, stood at $175 trillion. By 2009, when the CBO began reporting the AFS annually, the gap was $184 trillion. In 2010, it was $202 trillion, followed by $211 trillion in 2011 and $222 trillion in 2012.
The recovery's going pretty well then.
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US Debt Thread 16 Nov 2013 20:19 #7

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theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the...-u-s-government-debt

Federal Reserve Balance Sheet

The Federal Reserve is creating hundreds of billions of dollars out of thin air and using that money to buy U.S. government debt and mortgage-backed securities and take them out of circulation. Since the middle of 2008, these purchases have caused the Fed's balance sheet to balloon from under a trillion dollars to nearly four trillion dollars. This represents the greatest central bank intervention in the history of the planet, and Janet Yellen says that she does not anticipate that it will end any time soon because "the recovery is still fragile". Of course, as I showed the other day, the truth is that quantitative easing has done essentially nothing for the average person on the street. But what QE has done is that it has sent stocks soaring to record highs. Unfortunately, this stock market bubble is completely and totally divorced from economic reality, and when the easy money is taken away the bubble will collapse. Just look at what happened a few months ago when Ben Bernanke suggested that the Fed may begin to "taper" the amount of quantitative easing that it was doing. The mere suggestion that the flow of easy money would start to slow down a little bit was enough to send the market into deep convulsions. This is why the Federal Reserve cannot stop monetizing debt. The moment the Fed stops, it could throw our financial markets into a crisis even worse than what we saw back in 2008.

The problems that plagued our financial system back in 2008 have never been fixed. They have just been papered over temporarily by trillions of easy dollars from the Federal Reserve. All of this easy money is keeping stocks artificially high and interest rates artificially low.

Right now, the Federal Reserve is buying approximately 85 billion dollars worth of U.S. government debt and mortgage-backed securities each month. We are told that the portion going to buy U.S. government debt each month is approximately 45 billion dollars, but who knows what the Fed is actually doing behind the scenes. In any event, by creating money out of thin air and using it to remove U.S. Treasury securities out of circulation, the Federal Reserve is essentially monetizing U.S. government debt at a staggering rate.

But Federal Reserve officials continue to repeatedly deny that what they are doing is monetizing debt. For instance, Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta President Dennis Lockhart strongly denied this back in April: "I object to the view that the Fed is monetizing the debt".

How in the world can Fed officials possibly deny that they are monetizing the debt?

Well, because the Fed is promising that it is going to eventually sell back all of the securities that it is currently buying.

Since the Fed does not plan to keep all of this government debt on its balance sheet indefinitely, that means that they are not actually monetizing it according to their twisted logic.

Try not to laugh.

And of course that will never, ever happen. There is no possible way that the Fed will ever be able to stop recklessly creating money and then turn around and sell off 3 trillion dollars worth of government debt and mortgage-backed securities that it has accumulated since 2008. Just look at the chart posted below. Does this look like something that the Federal Reserve will ever be able to "unwind"?...

Federal Reserve Balance Sheet

Remember, just the suggestion that the Fed would begin to slow down the pace of this buying spree a little bit was enough to send the financial markets into panic mode a few months ago.

If the Fed does decide to permanently stop quantitative easing at some point, stocks will drop dramatically and interest rates will skyrocket because there will be a lot less demand for U.S. Treasuries. In fact, interest rates have already risen substantially over the past few months even though quantitative easing is still running.

Right now, the Fed is supplying a tremendous amount of the demand for U.S. debt securities in the marketplace. According to Zero Hedge, Drew Brick of RBS recently made the following statement about the staggering amount of government debt that is currently being monetized by the Fed...

"On a rolling six-month average, in fact, the Fed is now responsible for monetizing a record 70% of all net supply measured in 10y equivalents. This represents a reliance on the Fed that is greater than ever before in history!"

Overall, the Federal Reserve now holds 32.47 percent of all 10 year equivalents, and that percentage is rising by about 0.3 percent each week.

If the Federal Reserve does not keep doing this, the financial markets are going to crash because they are being propped up artificially by all of this funny money.

But if the Federal Reserve keeps doing this, it is going to become increasingly obvious to the rest of the world that the Fed is simply monetizing debt and is starting to behave like the Weimar Republic.

The remainder of the planet is watching what the Federal Reserve is doing very carefully, and they are starting to ask themselves some very hard questions.

Why should they continue to use our dollars to trade with one another when the Fed is wildly creating money out of thin air and rapidly devaluing the existing dollars that they are holding?

And why should they continue to lend us trillions of dollars at ultra-low interest rates that are way below the real rate of inflation when the U.S. government is already drowning in debt and the money that will be used to pay those debts back will be steadily losing value with each passing day?

The Federal Reserve is in very dangerous territory. If the Fed wants the current system to continue, it is going to have to stop this reckless money printing at some point or else the rest of the world will eventually decide to stop participating in it.

If the Fed wants to go ahead and make quantitative easing a permanent part of our system, then eventually it will need to go all the way and start monetizing all of our debt.

Right now, the Fed is stuck in the middle of a "no man's land" where it is monetizing a significant amount of U.S. government debt but it is trying to sell everyone else on the idea that it is not really monetizing debt. This is a state of affairs that cannot go on indefinitely.

At some point, the Fed is going to have to make a decision. And for now the Fed seems to be married to the idea that eventually things will get back to "normal" and they will stop monetizing debt.

Even Janet Yellen is admitting that quantitative easing "cannot continue forever".

However, she also said on Thursday that it is important not to end quantitative easing too rapidly, "especially when the recovery is still fragile".

Well, at this point quantitative easing has been going on in one form or another for about five years now.

Will it ever end?

And when it does, how bad will the financial crash be?

Meanwhile, with each passing day the faith that the rest of the world has in our dollar and in our financial system continues to erode.

If the Fed continues to behave this recklessly, it is inevitable that the rest of the globe will begin to move even more rapidly away from the U.S. dollar and will become much more hesitant to lend us money.

Ultimately, the Federal Reserve is faced with only bad choices. The status quo is not sustainable, ending quantitative easing will cause the financial markets to crash, and going "all the way" with quantitative easing will just turn us into the Weimar Republic.

But anyone with half a brain should have been able to see that this debt-based financial system that the Federal Reserve is at the heart of was going to end tragically anyway. The 100 year anniversary of the Federal Reserve is coming up, and the truth is that it should have been abolished long ago.

The consequences of decades of very foolish decisions are catching up with us, and this is all going to end very, very badly.

I hope that you are getting ready.
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US Debt Thread 11 Dec 2013 00:47 #8

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25327831
A cross-party Congressional budget committee convened after an October government shutdown has reached an agreement to fund federal services.

Government officials say the deal, totalling an estimated $85b over the next decade, aims to carve $20b out of the nation's $17 trillion debt.
That's pretty good, that's 0.1% of the total debt. That's definitely a step in the right direction. The only downside is that it's increasing at a rate of $20 billion per week.
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US Debt Thread 11 Dec 2013 00:57 #9

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25327831
A cross-party Congressional budget committee convened after an October government shutdown has reached an agreement to fund federal services.

Government officials say the deal, totalling an estimated $85b over the next decade, aims to carve $20b out of the nation's $17 trillion debt.
That's pretty good, that's 0.1% of the total debt. That's definitely a step in the right direction. The only downside is that it's increasing at a rate of $20 billion per week.

I make it 0.001% acually, thats provided that a trillion there is 12 zeroes. :)

So thats like paying 1p on a credit card with £1000 on it.
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US Debt Thread 11 Dec 2013 01:18 #10

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andyh wrote:
I make it 0.001% acually, thats provided that a trillion there is 12 zeroes. :)

So thats like paying 1p on a credit card with £1000 on it.
According to Google 20 billion divided by 17 trillion is 0.00117647058, so I think if you times by 100 you get 0.1%.

It's not very much anyway!

Note how the BBC tucked that away in the very final paragraph of a story which otherwise made this sound like good news.
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US Debt Thread 11 Dec 2013 01:25 #11

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andyh wrote:
I make it 0.001% acually, thats provided that a trillion there is 12 zeroes. :)

So thats like paying 1p on a credit card with £1000 on it.
According to Google 20 billion divided by 17 trillion is 0.00117647058, so I think if you times by 100 you get 0.1%.

It's not very much anyway!

Note how the BBC tucked that away in the very final paragraph of a story which otherwise made this sound like good news.

Thats right yep, I made it 0.001 as a fraction, my bad :D

20 billion x 1000 (to make the 100% from 0.1%) would be 20 trillion so aye.

So...a £1 on £1000 quid debt then lol. Its still bugger all innit, us mere mortals would be expected to pay £50 approx on a £1000 credit card and that would just be the interest each month..
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US Debt Thread 11 Dec 2013 01:32 #12

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andyh wrote:
Thats right yep, I made it 0.001 as a fraction, my bad :D

20 billion x 1000 (to make the 100% from 0.1%) would be 20 trillion so aye.

So...a £1 on £1000 quid debt then lol. Its still bugger all innit, us mere mortals would be expected to pay £50 approx on a £1000 credit card and that would just be the interest each month..
According to my calculations based on this thread, the US debt has increased by around $320 billion since this thread started less than 4 months ago, so around 110 days. I make that about $2.9 billion per day, so $20 billion worth of savings will be wiped out in less than a week.

That is the stage we’re at, yet this ‘agreement’ will actually be seriously discussed by economists as making some sort of difference to America’s future.
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