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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 29 Aug 2013 22:05 #1

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www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/26...ry-house-republicans
US to hit debt ceiling in mid-October, Treasury secretary warns House GOP

I just want to pick out something particularly important from this article, just to put this issue into perspective.
Lew said the Treasury would reach its borrowing limit by mid-October and would then be left to fund the 80m payments per month, including military salaries and social security cheques, with a cash balance estimated at $50bn.

"Operating the government with no borrowing authority, and with only the cash on hand on a given day, would place the United States in an unacceptable position," he wrote.

Lew said it was "not possible for us to estimate with any precision" when the Treasury would exhaust those funds if no agreement is reached. But he said such a situation could rapidly lead to a cash shortfall.

So the US federal government has $50,000,000,000 in cash to fall back on. But it has $17,000,000,000,000 worth of debt (ie. 340 times, or 34,000%, more than the amount of cash). But, of course, this isn’t close to the nation’s real liabilities, which were recently estimated by an academic paper to be roughly $100,000,000,000,000 (ie. 2,000 times, or 200,000%, more than the amount of cash). And they are openly saying, "we don't know how long we can pay social security without borrowing money".

Hey, let’s raise the debt ceiling and wait for the next crisis. I’m sure it’ll turn out fine.
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 29 Aug 2013 22:08 #2

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Yep they'll just raise it again with the usual last minute pretend brinkmanship.

Strange how we can't just raise ours and carry on without austerity lol.
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 29 Aug 2013 23:20 #3

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And yet again chances are that folk will just go yayy and get back to shootin deer/hoes/porn flix.
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 29 Aug 2013 23:26 #4

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I guess this means there will be no more extra money for any war!!!! :thumbup:
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 29 Aug 2013 23:31 #5

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.......... wrote:
I guess this means there will be no more extra money for any war!!!! :thumbup:

No they've already set aside plenty for defense and the black budget ;)
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 29 Aug 2013 23:33 #6

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I guess this means there will be no more extra money for any war!!!! :thumbup:

Probably the opposite!
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 31 Aug 2013 12:58 #7

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kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_Dail..._Total_Collapse.html
Today a former US Treasury Official shocked King World News when he warned that the U.S. would experience a total collapse. He also warned that the entire Western financial system will be brought to its knees because, unlike 1980 when he and others saved the United States from collapse, the collapse cannot be stopped this time. This is without question one of the most powerful interviews Dr. Paul Craig Roberts has ever done.

Dr. Roberts: “The (U.S.) deficit projections, if they are honestly done by the Congressional Budget Office and the Office of Management and Budget, will show a larger deficit projection than Congress faced the last time they refused to deal with the issue.

So, what will they do when as of mid-October, as the new Treasury Secretary has said, ‘The Treasury will have run out of tricks’ to get around the debt ceiling limit? For example, what the Treasury has done to evade this limit is to pay itself dividends out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (laughter ensues)....

“They have to (do this) because otherwise they can’t pay their bills. The deficit ceiling stops them. So they use this to produce revenues. They also use these kinds of gimmicks to claim that there have been reductions in the cash base current fiscal deficit. These are all deceptions they (the U.S. Treasury) are using to avoid the letter of the law. Of course they (still) violate the spirit of the law.

The real danger is the whole world looks at this and says, ‘The Americans are printing up 1,000 billion (one trillion) new dollars every year to bail out the banks and to finance their current operating deficit, and there doesn’t seem to be any end to this. There is no resolution and the deficit is worsening.’

So, if you then see people (and countries) bailing out of dollar and dollar-denominated assets in the international markets, you will have a real crisis because if the dollar drops, the Fed has lost control. Interest rates will rise, the banks will fail, the bond market will collapse, the stock market will collapse, and you will see a total wipeout.

So, by refusing to realize the severity of the situation, and by pushing it off in the future, it’s now harder than ever to deal with. And if you think the Congress has the kind of intelligence and leadership to deal with this problem, you’re mistaken.

I think this problem will resolve itself in a crisis. You could see (a mass) exit from the dollar. So I think the country is facing a series of shocks, and no one trusts it (the U.S.) anymore ... This is a tremendous blow to everything that is said, from economic policy, to every statement that will come out of the Federal Reserve, and the U.S. Treasury.

People now look upon the United States as a country where public officials are incapable of speaking any truth. This just destroys confidence in the country and every aspect of it. The United States is going to find itself in a very, very difficult situation.”

Eric King: “Dr. Roberts, as Ronald Reagan took office as the President of the United States, he called on you and others to basically come in and rescue the United States from collapse. In the 1970s we saw a stock market that was collapsing in 1973 and 1974 as gold and silver were skyrocketing. And then from 1976 to 1980 stocks were really struggling and gold and silver essentially went into a mania (that frightened the world). Is that a scenario that you see going forward -- global stock markets collapsing and gold and silver skyrocketing?”

Dr. Roberts: “Yes. I think that’s the most likely effect. I think it probably starts this fall/winter, and next year will be a dismal year in terms of economic history. In the Reagan administration we were able to solve the problem. We did (solve the problem).

That’s what the supply-side economic program did -- It solved the problem for 20 years. But the problem we have now is that policy doesn’t address it. Supply-side economics can’t solve the problems we have now, and there is really no known economic solution. It really doesn’t have a solution at this point. It’s gone on too long.”

Eric King: “Dr. Roberts, the people that were looking for a collapse of the U.S. dollar and the financial system 33 years ago (1980), is that (finally) in front of us now?”

Dr. Roberts: “I think it’s likely that we are going to see that. But what they were looking at then (in 1980) had a different cause. The problem then is not related to the problem now. There was a solution (in 1980), and it was solved. So it (the collapse) did not come about.

The situation today is in no way comparable to 1980. When you’ve got 3 or 4 American banks with derivative exposure that is three of four times larger than all of the wealth in the world combined, these bets can’t be covered. No amount of money can be printed to bail that out.

It’s the Americans that deregulated and destroyed their own financial system. It will have repercussions worldwide because, to varying degrees, every part of the world is connected to the American financial system. The ones most connected will be hurt the worst.

I think the results of the toll will fall on the United States and Europe. So it will be Western civilization which is simply moved aside, and is no longer the #1 arbiter and decision-maker (in the world). They (countries in the West) have brought failure to themselves. They, the United States and Europe, are going to become 2nd world, and 3rd world countries.”
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 31 Aug 2013 14:21 #8

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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 31 Aug 2013 14:40 #9

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How many, if any, countries run at a profit?
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 31 Aug 2013 15:38 #10

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oioioi wrote:
How many, if any, countries run at a profit?
China had a budget surplus recently, and I think Russia and Brazil have. Germany was very close to breaking even, Switzerland has had a surplus. Possibly some Scandinavian nations, I would suggest Norway because they've got loads of oil. Similarly maybe United Arab Emirates (although their wealth distribution is obscene) and Saudi Arabia. Apart from that, no major nations, none in Western Europe, none in North America, none in Oceania, and none in South America apart from Brazil, they're all in the red. You might get smaller nations having a slight surplus, though, Guernsey would be a good candidate as they have a completely self-contained economy. That would be one of my top choices of places to live.

Edit: I found a list here. It is mainly oil rich nations and tiny countries. I was slightly wrong in that a couple of other South American nations, Bolivia and Chile, have a slight surplus, although Bolivia would be much better off if the World Bank hadn't essentially forced them to make their economy revolve around cocaine in the 80s, and Child would be better off if the CIA hadn't run a coup in the country and assassinated their democratically elected leader in 1973:

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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 31 Aug 2013 18:36 #11

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Guernsey would be a good candidate as they have a completely self-contained economy. That would be one of my top choices of places to live

No shit lol :)
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 31 Aug 2013 22:21 #12

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No shit lol :)
You won't find chavs there.
I view it as a poor man's Monaco. Well, if you've ever looked at the property prices in Monaco, it's more like a destitute man's Monaco!
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 31 Aug 2013 22:27 #13

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I've had a quick glance at Guernsey and flats seem to start at 2000 quid a month lol.

Theres some nice houses for 6000 a month I have to admit but jesus who'd bother renting at that rate? :D
Brewster looking to get rid of his millions maybe
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Mainstream News - United States Totally Bankrupt 01 Sep 2013 01:14 #14

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Ive never understood why countries like the US and UK can be in debt when all businesses and banks could be nationalised and profits go back into the country to be used for the people.

call me a patriot if you want.

It must be that the people in power in the US and UK are traitors and unpatriotic.
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Socialist!

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