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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 17:45 #1

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Mathew Sinclair, Tax Payers Alliance Chief Executive on TV

The Tax Payers Alliance calls itself "libertarian" and is closely linked to Tea Party/Koch Brothers in America


TPA's campaign manager Susie Squire ....became a special adviser to the Conservative Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Iain Duncan Smith.

I posted further details here
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 19:43 #2

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Not watched the vid yet, but despite all the appaling shit going on right now regarding people on benefits, I was shocked to hear a brief snippet on the news earlier today about plans to force some long-time claimants into spending 35 hours per week IN THE JOB CENTRE. What fresh lunacy is this!!!

Just what the fuck! :mad: :mad: :mad:

This CAN NOT get people into jobs which don't exist, and is transparently just a plot to further stigmatise the unemployed. I'll be writing letters (which will probably be ignored, obviously) about this latest bizarre and aggressive antic. Every single person in the country should be forcefully objecting to the BS.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 19:55 #3

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They can call themselves libertarian from now til doomsday it doesn't make them libertarian.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 19:56 #4

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Gilly wrote:
Not watched the vid yet, but despite all the appaling shit going on right now regarding people on benefits, I was shocked to hear a brief snippet on the news earlier today about plans to force some long-time claimants into spending 35 hours per week IN THE JOB CENTRE. What fresh lunacy is this!!!

Just what the fuck! :mad: :mad: :mad:

This CAN NOT get people into jobs which don't exist, and is transparently just a plot to further stigmatise the unemployed. I'll be writing letters (which will probably be ignored, obviously) about this latest bizarre and aggressive antic. Every single person in the country should be forcefully objecting to the BS.

What they really need is training for jobs that do exist.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:28 #6

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Gilly wrote:
Not watched the vid yet, but despite all the appaling shit going on right now regarding people on benefits, I was shocked to hear a brief snippet on the news earlier today about plans to force some long-time claimants into spending 35 hours per week IN THE JOB CENTRE. What fresh lunacy is this!!!

Just what the fuck! :mad: :mad: :mad:

This CAN NOT get people into jobs which don't exist, and is transparently just a plot to further stigmatise the unemployed. I'll be writing letters (which will probably be ignored, obviously) about this latest bizarre and aggressive antic. Every single person in the country should be forcefully objecting to the BS.

Unfortunately, this is not a new thing, dearest heart. The unemployed have been subjected to something similar on and off for many years now.

During one of my recent stints in receipt of allowance I was made to attend a 'training provider's offices where I was to perform 'job search activities' from nine til four, Monday to Friday. I recall I had to do this for about three months.

'Job Search Activities' included but were not limited to searching local papers, looking online and attending every 'interview' your 'Assessor' sent your way, lest you should face swift and certain 'sanctions'. The building I was in rarely had running water and most of the course attendants were just left sitting around for eight hours a day. As long as they signed in and out however, I believe the provider were fulfilling their minimum requirement for payment with a bonus if jobseekers actually managed to secure work at the end of their stint (regardless of whether or not the provider had anything to do with it). Thankfully, the building was so ropey it was impossible to check people in and out during the day, but I had read about some places actually locking people in until 4pm.

I'm quite sure I don't need to tell you all who ultimately owned said 'training' provider and I'm sure you also won't be surprised to learn that there was very little 'training' involved, in fact.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:29 #7

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Gilly wrote:
Not watched the vid yet, but despite all the appaling shit going on right now regarding people on benefits, I was shocked to hear a brief snippet on the news earlier today about plans to force some long-time claimants into spending 35 hours per week IN THE JOB CENTRE. What fresh lunacy is this!!!

Just what the fuck! :mad: :mad: :mad:

This CAN NOT get people into jobs which don't exist, and is transparently just a plot to further stigmatise the unemployed. I'll be writing letters (which will probably be ignored, obviously) about this latest bizarre and aggressive antic. Every single person in the country should be forcefully objecting to the BS.

I thought it was turn up at the jobcentre in the morning to 'sign in' for the day, then have to go and do menial tasks in the community.
I may be wrong, I just read about it briefly before. This is just another 'workfare' in a new guise. But surely those menial tasks are undertaken by people with jobs already so isn't that a conflict of interest?! This is being rolled out with the guise of capturing people who sign on but work on the 'black market' illegally, and will therefore make savings in benefit handouts.....
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:33 #8

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Sshhh...you're not supposed to think about things like that. Yes, sending people to work for 'free' may well mean employers and such won't necessarily actually hire someone and pay them proper wages to do the same job, but come on...we're talking about dole scum here.

They're pushing the charity and community angle much more this time, but you may recall quite recently they were trying to farm people out to the likes of Poundland and Tescos.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:36 #9

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No, the menial tasks is one demeaning thing, and the attending the job centre for 35 hours per week is another.

Abs, I never knew about that. What an absolute disgrace!

Yes, it is a conflict of interests - or rather, a way to get round minimum wage stipulations.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:39 #10

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Gilly wrote:
Yes, it is a conflict of interests - or rather, a way to get round minimum wage stipulations.

In a nutshell. :thumbup:

I'm not sure about this scheme, but previously, those people attending 'training courses' also fell off the books in terms of statistics as they were effectively 'in training' and not 'unemployed'.

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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:41 #11

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Unemployed to be forced to turn up to jobcentres for 35 hours a week to stop them 'cheating the system' by secretly working
Iain Duncan Smith vows to cut benefits for those who fail to turn up
Intense sessions will prepare unemployed people to find work
Two pilots to be launched next year for more than 6,000 jobless
By MATT CHORLEY, MAILONLINE POLITICAL EDITOR
PUBLISHED: 10:12, 1 October 2013 | UPDATED: 14:19, 1 October 2013



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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:49 #12

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6000?
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 20:52 #13

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I'll turn up at the jobcentre and just keep playing with myself until I get sectioned.
Then they'll have to give me benefits & accommodation, and hopefully some sedatives to see out my days.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 21:44 #14

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7 hours before their toilets back up.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 22:23 #15

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andyh wrote:
They can call themselves libertarian from now til doomsday it doesn't make them libertarian.
Tell me about it.
They can call themselves Christian from now til doomsday it doesn't make them Christian..
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 22:54 #16

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why dont you guys just turn to crime. mug some chavs. sell some drugs. rob a bank. it sounds fun, and plus, you stick it to the man.
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 22:56 #17

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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 22:57 #18

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i just named 3 lol
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 01 Oct 2013 23:43 #19

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https://toys.usvsth3m.com/iain-duncan-smiths-realistic-unemployment-simulator/

There's likely a sequel in the pipeline where you nick food because you've been sanctioned, then get sent to jail where you're mandated to work for a Torymate for 57p per month before tax and insurance deductions. :ownd:

Where DID all the jobs suddenly disappear to?

Cunts :coffee:
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"Libertarian" think tank and IDS Work for Dole policy 02 Oct 2013 11:56 #20

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feather wrote:
https://toys.usvsth3m.com/iain-duncan-smiths-realistic-unemployment-simulator/

There's likely a sequel in the pipeline where you nick food because you've been sanctioned, then get sent to jail where you're mandated to work for a Torymate for 57p per month before tax and insurance deductions. :ownd:

Where DID all the jobs suddenly disappear to?

Cunts :coffee:
This is really it, what you're seeing is the criminalisation and corporatisation of the poor because it's the best way of making them into economically productive units. There is some discussion of this here:

www.chomsky.info/interviews/199804--.htm

Of course, things have got far, far worse since then, with the private prison system now one of the few growing industries in the United States (and becoming more powerful in Britain).

If you look at the state of the economy today, you can easily identify the powerful and growth sectors:

Resource dominating corporations
Banking and financial sector fraud
Private prison system and related infrastructure
Sophisticated NSA-style surveillance programmes
Various government progammes - run by the private sector - which fulfill the basic state agenda

All of these things, with the possible exception of the banking sector, have one thing in common. They don't require skilled or well-paid workers, and they're targeted at the poorest people in society.

There are some corporations that only deal with other industrial partners, but most want to dominate the domestic market, and big chains that typically target these markets - Wal-Mart, Tesco, E-on, etc - employ millions of people in boring, completely unfulfilling, dead-end jobs that pay really poorly.

Most banks have a retail arm, and they want the average man and woman in the street to be in hock to them.

Overwhelmingly, poor people are those that are locked up in prison, and you don't get too many wealthy people working in them.

Surveillance is targeted at everyone except the rich.

Pretty much all government programmes are targeted at the poor, except taxation, which is targeted at everyone except the rich.

Eventually, all these individual sectors come to be dependent on one another - aside from the fact that the same powerful interests tend to invest in them all, anyway. An obvious example of this is pointed out in the Chomsky link; private prisons needs prisoners, so they need to criminalise a section of society, so drugs are demonised in order to lock up drug users, and this justifies a 'War on Drugs', which enables a vast state-run snooping system to be created, which can then be used for surveillance, and then the private prison system becomes reliant on these people being locked up, so they want more, so the 'War on Drugs' is extended, and then the corporations that are running that become bigger and demand more, and at the same time companies are exploiting prison labour, and they want more of that...and so it goes on.

And that's just one example, you have all these ties in many other areas, sectors and industries as well. Eventually these interests dominate society, and there is no legitimate role for millions of people, and this commingled structure doesn't want to pay them and doesn't need to. That's when you unveil the work programme. And that's where we are now.
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