Here's a lengthy but well written blog about Illuminati theory. It goes on to claim that this is all nonsense and that the real enemy is capitalism
Now wether you agree with this or not, this is still a worthwhile read as there is much info and historical context within it.
How To Overthrow The Illuminati

Its not capitalism as much as simply the advancement of the monetary system IMHO.
We went from barter to gold/silver to fiat to electronic private fiat.
As time progressed so did the tech and ability to manipulate the monetary system and therefore power into fewer and fewer hands regardless of the type of governance which has for the most part now converged.
It mentions jews which is pretty much predictable for this kind of shallow thinking too as we all know that the jews were not the only ones lending money.
Today the richest people on the planet are of many nations & religions, some are recent additions to the scene and some inherited their wealth.
Its not their fault and there's no grand conspiracy here and I've never seen any conclusive evidence of such a thing, just people ignoring viable alternative ways to live their lives because they're just used to thousands of years of basically the same thing.
Its culturally ingrained, so anyone who mentions alternatives gets scorn/laughed at by most people. A few are beginning to see the light and hopefully with the rapid tech advancement so will the amount of people catching on to the situation increase towards the 100th monkey point where the rest will follow.
I'm hoping transhumanism will bring about this positive change , ofc thats debatable.

Not meaning to derail on post 3 but Andy, could you expand upon your thoughts about transhumanism effecting positive change please?

knobmeup wrote:
Basically I HOPE (and I emphasise that lol!) that the linkup of consciousness across the internet will breakdown social/linguistic/cultural barriers not to mention the feeling of isolation people have currently, for example the likes of us who perhaps think that theres very few of us.

When I say consciousness above I mean literal mind links, forums and typing like this would become a thing of the past, we'd be able to see/hear/taste/smell/touch whatever someone else is experiencing at the same time across vast distances with advances in both brain interface and bandwidth available. Its worth bearing in mind btw that it may be possible to link minds without even implants or breaking the skin. I dunno if that would be used first or whatever...

andyh wrote:

Transhumanism scares me but the above most certainly would add a new slant to life on the internet.

psketti wrote:
Languages and reading would become irrelevant.
You can already imagine how much news we miss out on because we don't speak the language but imagine not having to translate anything anymore and not having to wait for it to be published, you get the drift.

andyh wrote:

See, now I'm right back at scary with that one small sentence

We should never loose these things as they are vitally important to being individual humans.

psketti wrote:
The core question you should ask yourself is this- do you want to evolve or not?

Its something I could go on about for hours lol, I've had a few weed fuelled philosophical debates about it and scared myself at times tbh

I suppose its loosely related to topic soz spamfish.

andyh wrote:
If it means losing those kinds of things, then it's a definiate no

psketti wrote:
Losing what though?
Theres more to it than at first glance.

Can you imagine what this could do for the porn industry? LOL!!
Guys could have multiple orgasms! :p

andyh wrote:

Well that's kinda what I was hinting at in an earlier post

I don't foresee it as being something you never turn off, arthur c clarke had the closest best guess with the braincap idea in 3001 IMHO.
Only it'll be a lot sooner than that.

i know i left sanity behind some time ago. what is the danger of people like me getting on there. i dont want my thoughts tampered with. but sure if someone offers up their own mind to explore i will jump right in. if you can brain jack someone too that is scary.. better have good defenses, there are a lot of hostiles. i dont want other peoples feelings forced on me, or my thoughts scanned. we get into precrime... then where do we go.. we decide our bodies are useless and we end up as 99.99%machine. the evolution of man ends up in death of man. we cease to be. just some soulless hive mind operating at max efficiency.

batou wrote:
Can you imagine billions of people being able to get a load of your sense of humour? Sheesh :p

You're right though there are negatives to all this and plenty of them going by how things have been run thus far.
So like I said before...I 'hope' it doesn't go that way

andyh wrote:

I would say that hope you speak of was a slim to fuck all chance.

To my mind, those pushing and funding the tech involved are about as close as you can get to an 'illuminati'. They are lurking largely in the shadows. The majority see sci fi movies etc involving cyborgs and stuff as just that...sci fi. I don't think many understand its very real and very close.

And due to that, I feel Sket is right.

The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776 to oppose superstition, prejudice, religious influence over public life, abuses of state power, and to support women's education and gender equality. The Illuminati were outlawed along with other secret societies by the Bavarian government leadership with the encouragement of the Roman Catholic Church, and permanently disbanded in 1785.. In the several years following, the group was vilified by conservative and religious critics who claimed they had regrouped and were responsible for the French Revolution...

The movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria) as the Order of the Illuminati, with an initial membership of 5, by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830), who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt.. It was made up of freethinkers as an offshoot of the Enlightenment and seems to have been modeled on the Freemasons.. The Illuminati's members took a vow of secrecy and pledged obedience to their superiors. Members were divided into 3 main classes, each with several degrees, and many Illuminati chapters drew membership from existing Masonic lodges..

Several recent and present-day fraternal organizations claim to be descended from the original Bavarian Illuminati and openly use the name "Illuminati." Some such groups use a variation on "The Illuminati Order" in the name of their organization, while others such as the Ordo Templi Orientis use "Illuminati" as a level within their organization's hierarchy. However, there is no evidence that these present-day groups have amassed significant political power or influence, and they promote unsubstantiated links to the Bavarian Illuminati as a means of attracting membership instead of trying to remain secret...
Nati (Marathi: नटी), (meaning: Actress)...Marathi is an Indo-Aryan language.. It is the official language of Maharashtra state of India and is one of the 23 official languages of India...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumination
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/family-dynasties...html?start=40#142443The term sonnet derives from the Italian word sonetto, meaning "little song", and by the 13th century it signified a poem of 14 lines that follows a strict rhyme scheme and specific structure...sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/Recommended-Read...html?start=40#142034

knobmeup wrote:
Have they managed to totally censor and control the internet?
Its a long stretch tbh, cats out of the bag IMHO and I'm someone who does know what would be involved, they simply do not have the resources and especially inter governmental co-operation on the kind of scale needed to do it.
The big tech corporates have more power than govts over the internet, far far more.
With each day that passes more and more new younger generation users get online and they're far more tech savvy than the older users.
You're right its close and for that reason I'm in the hopeful camp as they simply won't have the time to plan for it, remember these people supposedly in control haven't a fuggin clue when it comes to tech as they rely on people like me to sort it for them.

Very true Andy, the 'people' behind it just have large pots of fiat.

Everything is so compartmentalised that probably most doing the work don't really know what the work is towards.
That said, as you say, the internet is here so there's really no excuse.

Keep up with that slight optimism...Some of it will hopefully rub off on me

Here is a funny thread started by a BERNY a troll about this in DIF,


www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196071&highlight=Barny