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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 07 Aug 2013 22:31 #1

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Modern science has repeatedly studied ancient writings to find more about the diet of ancient Greeks and to answer a seemingly simple question: Why were ancient Greeks so clever? For many, there is only one answer to this question and is based on the principles established by the father of western medicine, Hippocrates of Cos, who used to say: “Νοῦς ὑγιὴς ἐν σώματι ὑγιεῖ” meaning a healthy mind in a healthy body. Dimitra Tillianaki, a dental surgeon, studied the diet in the times of Hippocrates and Pythagoras in her effort to find an answer to a really nagging question: “Why regardless of the development of science are there so many diseases? Cancer, cardio-cerebrovascular and autoimmune diseases?”

Tillianaki, in her holistic human approach, discovered that following a healthy lifestyle is not always enough, and there are certain nutritional mistakes we make and do not realize them.

First of all, we eat bread and spaghetti, which means wheat. And what’s wrong with wheat? Gluten. A protein composite that is everywhere in the modern diet and keeps the brain “sleepy.” Ancient Greeks, on the other, did not even know the taste of wheat, because it didn’t exist. They cultivated Zea, a cereal rich in magnesium that is considered to be the food of the brain.

“It is possible that ancient Greeks were so clever because they did not eat wheat which contains gluten, a substance which sticks the nerve endings and doesn’t leave the brain free to think and create, ” Tillianaki said.

Zea also contains amino acid Lysine, which strengthens the immune system and has very little gluten.

“Zea was cultivated in Greece until the 30′s when it was suddenly banned. It is still unknown why the authorities decided to ban the cultivation of this particular cereal which was then gradually forgotten by the Greeks,” she added.

Regarding meat consumption, it was minimal and only if the person was healthy. If there was any kind of illness, a person wouldn’t eat meat.

The Pythagorean diet was based on the Hippocratic diet, except for meat consumption, which was strictly forbidden by Pythagoras.

In antiquity, there was also a large consumption of an orange fruit, Hippophaes, otherwise known as the sea buck-thorns. Hippophaes contains 192 vitamins which are all absorbable by the body.

Hippophaes formed a significant part of Alexander the Great’s and his troops’ nutrition, who had actually noticed that sick or wounded horses would heal by chewing the plant’s leafs. In this observation lies the Greek etymology of the word Hippophaes, which stands for “ippos” (horse in Greek) and “phaos” (shiny in Greek). After this discovery, Hippophaes became an essential stimulant for warriors in all military campaigns, offering greater endurance and strength.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 07 Aug 2013 22:40 #2

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Interesting :)

Is Zea in this case Maize?
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 07 Aug 2013 22:44 #3

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippophae#Nutrient...ntial_health_effects

Sea Buckthorn is the modern term for the fruit btw, and indeed it deffo does have some hefty vitamin c along with others.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 07 Aug 2013 22:54 #4

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andyh wrote:
Interesting :)

Is Zea in this case Maize?

Dunno, it's a new one to the missus too, I shall extend my enquiries when I'm back in the village, they're more likely to know/have zea.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 07:41 #5

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andyh wrote:
Interesting :)

Is Zea in this case Maize?

Just did a brief search...

Scientific = Zea mays
English = Corn Maize

There are over 100 varieties of maize.

The description in the OP might explain why a lot of people are allergic to wheat even though they often don't realise it.

I cook a bit with polenta (maize meal) - it's good in cakes & corn bread.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 09:45 #6

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It makes sense because a gluten free diet would be something akin to the atkins diet, especially if you consider they didn't have sugary sweets etc back then so they were obviously low gluten/carbs diet.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 10:27 #7

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Is there any evidence that ancient Greeks as a whole were super savvy, intelligent, switched on?
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 10:34 #8

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knobmeup wrote:
Is there any evidence that ancient Greeks as a whole were super savvy, intelligent, switched on?

Its fair to say that although we have plenty of works from the Greeks such as Plato, Socrates etc, just because we have historical evidence it doesn't necessarily infer that other advanced societies did not exist at that time or even before it simply because of lack of archaeological evidence etc.
However it is to the best of our knowledge the most advanced society of its time.
Certainly pythagoras for example must have been quite bright to come up with what he did at the time as we stupidly expect kids to be able to 'discover it for themselves' as part of their GCSE coursework, LOL!!

Much of what the Greeks knew could have been pilfered from previous, perhaps Egypt/Persia etc as the Greeks travelled a fair bit but its a stretch.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 10:43 #9

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A few brainiacs writing some theories, observing folk and doing maths doesn't say owt about the wider populace's brains though does it.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 10:45 #10

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knobmeup wrote:
A few brainiacs writing some theories, observing folk and doing maths doesn't say owt about the wider populace's brains though does it.

I would agree, its merely an assumption.
Is it fair to assume for example that such a diet was common elsewhere than Greece at the time?
If so, can we attribute the advanced society they had to the diet?
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 10:47 #11

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This is an interesting topic. I'll fire up the lappy later and get googling.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 10:54 #12

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Wouldnt it be cool to be able to go back, just to see what it was like.

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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 08 Aug 2013 14:02 #13

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It's ok Knobs, yahoo answers has covered the subject extensively!
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080709140019AAV68eI

That's extensive in my experience of Yahoo answers :chuckle:
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 09 Aug 2013 23:07 #14

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No doubt that cereal, bread, pasta are causing obesity and alot of health problems...

Good OP...
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andyh wrote:
It makes sense because a gluten free diet would be something akin to the atkins diet, especially if you consider they didn't have sugary sweets etc back then so they were obviously low gluten/carbs diet.

Exactly...
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 13 Aug 2013 12:19 #16

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I've not confirmed owt yet but it's looking like Zea is some form of corn. Not clear on if it is a variety of corn or a means of processing it.
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 21 Apr 2014 09:40 #17

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oioioi wrote:
I've not confirmed owt yet but it's looking like Zea is some form of corn. Not clear on if it is a variety of corn or a means of processing it.

Very interesting. I wonder why zea was banned by the Greek government in the 1930's? Paid off by somebody with interests in the wheat industry maybe?
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What didn't Ancient Greeks eat? 21 Apr 2014 09:51 #18

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Basic products were barley and emmer wheat Triticumdicoccum (Emmer in German and fava in Italian). Today this product is called Zea and in the ancient years it was called Zeia or Zeidoror. Also Athens was called Zeidoron which means life and gift because they believed that they had clarity thanks to that food. Zea consists of Lysine which is absorbed by the body’s organism and gives clarity to the brain. Alexander the Grate’s army and later the Roman Army ate Zea for strength and to think clearly. On the other hand they feed the animals with the simple wheat (pyrros is its ancient name) because it has gluten in it, a strong kind of glue, which sticks to the vessels of the brain. Unfortunately, the cultivation of this magnificent seed was banned in 1928 by the Greek Governor Eleftherios Venizelos. We don’t really know the reason for this but we must be suspectful of it, especially after even the word Zea was erased from all Greek dictionaries.
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