Is it the moral responsibility of a country to provide medical treatment,and any required tests,or extensive care, free of charge to people who are not able to pay for it,or if any payment they would have to make, would be a overwhelming financial burden on them, even if they are employed and have some assets.

Should a country even have to take this into consideration, and control medical care for the poor, and assume control of the medical system in regards to the poor, in regards to their actual registered citizens

I think medical should be free, or based on a trade system... doctors shouldn't be in it for the money, insurance companies should go buh-bye, and people should receive the care they NEED and WANT (holistic, traditional, Chinese, alternative, etc...). If the country supplies the doctors with a free house, tax free, and free car as a down payment and people bring in a loaf of bread or some eggs as payment or make payments based on what they can afford, it should be called even. Cooperation's, the medical establishment and drug companies, do not need 6 figures a year.
But if that is not an option, than yes... the government of a country should provide medical care (the persons choice of medical care, mainstream or alternative, natural) without trying to control the kind of care they get or trying to decide the route of care for them.

What people need to remember is that they should not be in a position where they cannot afford healthcare in the first place.
NHS style services exist to keep the proles in line and subsidise business by keeping wages low.
The govt also insist on degrees from uni for healthcare qualifications and jobs, so you ensure that you keep mainly middle class and upwards in those jobs too. You won't find a dentist struggling to pay for his/her healthcare yet their job is no more specialised than many others that are paid a pittance yet they are also bloody useful jobs.
The place would go to ruin in a matter of weeks if the bins were not collected or if toilets didn't flush, if gas didn't flow or electricity turn on. All these people do equally important jobs and the massive difference in salaries is disgusting, it only forces the proles into working in specific jobs which make ends meet or into crime....

Yes.

Yes.

Even if you wanted to be selfish about it, realise that you are only one accident, illness or redundancy away from being 'poor' yourself.

medical care and housing are both human. rights
imo ,
profiteering from basic human needs under the flag of
"the worl doesnt owe you anything " is just an advertising slogan that benifits the few .

i was actually angry at alex jones description of the nhs
that he gave listeners ,
he ranted that it was stinking filthy etc
and one guy could barely move due to a chest cold
for 3 weeks and in usa he could get treatment in an hour and antibiotics to fix it ,
first of antibiotics dont kill viruses secoundly you can get treatment without going to a and e or the doctor by vissiting a chemist and thirdly you prat in scotland its completely free ,
we are a more civilised nation than our america will ever be the diy medical procedure videos on yt of americans self treating ailments is a testament to this
oh and if american hc is so much better why you telling everyone tk buy. alt medicines and such like .

sorry about taking a tangent .

mushy wrote:
Cos he profits from it, lol

How about this-
Should a country have poor people?
Should a monetary based system exist at all?

mushy wrote:
Good point re housing mushy.

Although it was probably introduced for many of the same reasons Andy describes re healthcare, it is also very important to many people and has been abused and degraded ever since.

Again, the only reason these things seem not to be working is because certain elements want things to appear that way, imo. A local authority built housing development, for example, pays for itself in a matter of years, so in actual fact, causes little or no financial burden on our governments. Also consider, that those households unfortunate enough to have to apply for benefits re rent and council tax, don't actually see any of that money. Who does?

You see where I'm headed with this? Talk about a con-job. That's 'your' money, being claimed by those that need it, only to be given directly to those that don't. THAT is what is wrong with the system as it currently stands. And exactly the same could be said for the NHS re private contractors.

All the while, rent levels being inflated and hyped by those fortunate enough to have property to rent privately (and in some cases, even renting property originally constructed by our government, then sold on by our government, back to our government to house those in need, who in turn claim hb and c/tax benefit which goes back to...you've guessed it: our government).

Craziness.

Ab Origine wrote:
Exactly Abo
Its a system of silliness that exists because we have poor people.
They need poor people, the socio-economic system cannot function if everyone was wealthy lol.

People need to get out of the box of politics and start thinking at a tangent, away from left/right, away from politicians, and focus on some basic laws of physics instead of man made ones.

For example, the world is not 'overpopulated', it is over wasteful and over exploited.
Almost ALL of our problems are created artificially by our own design.

Of course...the likes of Alex Jones won't discuss that because it leads places he sure as hell does not want to go.

andyh wrote:
Precisely. I apologise for the tangent, also.

It just really chaffs my nads. As well as stripping benefit entitlement, L/A rents are now being pushed up to be more in-line with private rent rates...? Apparently, it never occured to anyone to do something about private rent rates, instead.

Wankers.

andyh wrote:

Seriously

Rick wrote:
Its a fair question
How much of whats going on in the real world economy do you think actually 'needs' to exist?
Do you think money is human nature?

Hmm I dont agree at all. The gov should not deliberately make its people sick, withhold/censor/threaten the knowledge of natural medicines, make plants illegal, or eleveate the doctors to a god status with parental rights (this is how the usa looks right now). The medical establishment is probably helping 1% of the population (with intensive care after trauma and necessary surgeries) but harming the other 99% with crap medicine, toxic vaccines, and lack of knwoledge on how to really help people. So it seems a disservice to force this system on poor people who could likely gather their own herbs from their backyard and make their own medicine for pennies, and eat properly if they knew how to, making the medical establishment mostly unnecessary. I think the government shoukd stay completely out of health care, food and drug, as it is their involvement in it that got us in this predicament in the first place. Power needs to go back to the people who can be taught from childhood how to manage their own health with herbs, eft, diet, sunlight, etc.

Rick wrote:
So many mixed up ideas in this I'm not sure where to begin; firstly I don't believe in the notion of countries and I certainly don't think standards of healthcare should be dependent on the country you are in, everyone should have access to the best possible healthcare; secondly if it's just a cost issue then that again is a slightly different question, should capitalism provide certain basic needs for all or should it let us fend for ourselves? The fact that both concepts/systems, capitalism and countries actually contributes to a disparity in healthcare tells me both should be redundant ideas.

If the question were 'should humanity provide medical care to humanity?' you'd probably easily reach consensus, the fact is that this is muddied by the introduction of countries and capital. When our ideals, ethics and morals are dictated by such notions we lose a bit of our humanity.

oioioi wrote:
Zing!!

I see and hear of people,for some reason especially females for some reason, who think they have a health problem,but don't go to the doctor because they don't have the money or want to get in debt.
And many of these I have had a passing conversation with, work for a solid company,but are not offered health care that would be worth having in regards to decent co pay.

andyh wrote:
No matter where we go with any topic it always comes back to this Andy...

Problem is all of us in the western world might just have to accept we live in this monetary based system...

Yes countries and people should take care of each other. Health care is a human right.

.......... wrote:
Again a slack weak pathetic pragmatic useless sheeple post.

Accept, comply, submit. You're full of shit RA.

ibasters not much better with his establishment crap that presumes that human rights come from govt.