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More evidence that ministers are above the law. 10 Aug 2012 13:46 #1

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I just tried to report William Hague as having potentially committed a serious crime of funding terrorists.

Rang the local plod, who directed me to the Met. I laid out my grounds for suspecting that Hague giving $5 million to the Free Syria Army constitutes a crime. Those grounds certainly seem worthy of clarification and investigation....

Anyway, the Met refused to log my complaint. I was passed onto the Foreign Office. The Foreign Office insisted I should take this up with Hague's office...........

I pointed out that this was like saying to someone that's been burgled that they should go round to the suspected burglar and ask them if they had burgled and if so to hand themselves in.....

So, a serious crime has potentially been committed by a British Minister, you go through the sanctioned channels to report it and you end up getting nowhere......

Anyone surprised?
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 10 Aug 2012 15:21 #2

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I admire your spunk, young Jedi.

But then, you know this. :norty:
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A call for help in exposing Hague to the Law 13 Aug 2012 19:23 #3

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Now, obviously I've taken this issue to UKplodOnline. Suffice to say that the initial reaction there to my asking for confirmation of the points of law wasn't good. In fact I'd say they have been rather um rude.

So, I've just provided them with a few links to sites such as the UN, the Home Office, The CFR etc that clearly show that the accepted presence in Syria of Al Queda and their recent 'absorbees' the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, who even Leon Panetta admits are working alongside the FSA, shows that Hague is 'potentially' guilty of funding terrorist activity.

Now. I aint gonna let this bone go. I will be back on the blower in the next few days, this time with a more structured approach and this time with the whole thing being recorded.

At this point I would like to ask anyone who can provide me with more info clearly showing the links between these groups and the FSA to do so here. No speculative DIF style blogs please. I need clear evidence form 'reputable' sources.
The more the better. This sort of thing is a lot for one person to take on.
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Re: A call for help in exposing Hague to the Law 13 Aug 2012 20:00 #4

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Dubs you got a massive set of balls....
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 20:05 #5

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More a case of being massively motivated to at least try to get these scumbags to be subject to the same laws you and I are Dante.
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 21:38 #6

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The sort of comment I'm getting at the Plod online....
"Initially it would have to be reported to the local station but would then be forwarded to the force War Crimes Unit (WCU) where the particular incident occurred. You could expect William Hague charged this time next week, assuming no previous convictions and an admission on interview..

You might also be interested in the other units offering a similar service:
Tin Foil Hat Unit (TFHU)
Timewasters Prevention Unit (TPU)
and not forgetting the...

We've Got Nothing Better To Do Unit (WGNBTDU) "

I've got a bit of previous with that particular plod on the forum though.........Mind you he's not alone in his attitude:

"I think my computer would be broken for that allegation. "

Oh wait.....Hang on a mo........I've had some um interaction with that one too....:chuckle:
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 22:12 #7

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I have made your thread a sticky but feel the title needs to be altered to reflect your quest. If you can't change the title post the required change in this thread and one of the mods can change it for you the last post also needs the title changed to reflect the change in subsequent posts.

You also have the option of raising awareness using our petition system here Sanctum Zone Petition . If you want to use it I will need to set the petition up for you. You will need to post the required contents of the petition in this thread ideally with a supporting image.

Another thing to do would be to create a template laying out the charge so that people can download it and submit it to their local police station. The police are required to record all reported crimes and issue you with a crime number. One person with experience and knowledge about reporting crimes which the police are reluctant to accept is Albert Burgess, his website is here https://www.acasefortreason.org.uk/ .
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 22:13 #8

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Thank you to whoever pinned this :thumbup:

EDIT: As I see twas you Frog. Yes the title could probably do with changing. Perhaps um, I dunno, can't think of a title off the top of my head. Suggestions?

At the moment I'm trying to build an evidence base and doing my best to avoid defamation. :hide: It might take a few days on my own so as I said, any info would be appreciated.
Once a fair "case" has been assembled then yes, it would be great to do a template or something.

The next time I try to report it will be a more organised and resolute effort (not that I didn't stick to my guns last time), and it will be recorded. I'm planning on uploading a video of it to the tube so any help with that would also be appreciated.
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 22:27 #9

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Have you thought of contacting the ICC (International Criminal Court) dubs?
In 2002, the Rome Statute established the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC investigates and prosecutes individuals responsible for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity committed since July 1, 2002—in cases where countries are unwilling or unable to do so.

ictj.org/our-work/transitional-justice-i...fF5bECFcQNfAodNFYAuw

^Link/info on the ICTJ page above.
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 22:36 #10

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Early days DG, at the moment I need to add a lot more to the evidence I've already collated. Good suggestion though and duly noted :thumbup:
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 22:53 #11

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Yes, as I understand it, the ICC is really a last resort, for when you've exhausted all the available channels in your own country having presented what would be considered 'reasonable evidence' for a case, and you've still had no joy.

I read somewhere that they were very keen to prosecute Tony Blair for war crimes at one point, but the blocks got put on that one (surprise surprise).
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Re: A call for help in exposing Hague to the Law 13 Aug 2012 22:56 #12

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Dubs you got a massive set of balls....

And a fat cue.

Good work DMU.
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 22:56 #13

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dubmeup wrote:
Thank you to whoever pinned this :thumbup:

EDIT: As I see twas you Frog. Yes the title could probably do with changing. At the moment I'm trying to build an evidence base and doing my best to avoid defamation. :hide: It might take a few days on my own so as I said, any info would be appreciated.
Once a fair "case" has been assembled then yes, it would be great to do a template or something.

The next time I try to report it will be a more organised and resolute effort (not that I didn't stick to my guns last time), and it will be recorded. I'm planning on uploading a video of it to the tube so any help with that would also be appreciated.

I can't help with youtube although I can edit videos if needed I'm not a skilled producer/editor though. We have discussed setting up a vemio account for the sanctum zone in the past, so that could be an option for hosting videos.

If you want a low cost and effective easy to use video editor you can get something like this www.avs4you.com/ $59 USD life time registration and includes some other useful applications. A big plus for this application is the fact that they provide a screen capture application which is excellent and the only packages I know of that have similar power cost in excess of $200 USD per version not for life.

Here is free professional video editing suit https://www.lwks.com/ it has a fairly steep learning curve. Well worth it for anyone serious about video editing and it's also used in the movie industry.
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Image above gives examples of movies edited using light works.
Platform Windows Only: download lightworks package and user guides.

There are loads of other free video editors out there which can be found using a search engine.
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 23:03 #14

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I think I might be able to do a basic video. I can get something to chop bits for free and I also have a grabber. I was thinking of then arranging it to the sound in Cubase. Not a part of CB I've used before but It looks fairly simple to do. I dunno if CB has titling though.
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 23:30 #15

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Terrorism Act 2000

(1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—
(a)the action falls within subsection (2),
(b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government [F1or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
©the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [F2, racial] or ideological cause.

(2)Action falls within this subsection if it—
(a)involves serious violence against a person,
(b)involves serious damage to property,
©endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,
(d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
(e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

(3)The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.

(4)In this section—
(a)“action” includes action outside the United Kingdom,
(b)a reference to any person or to property is a reference to any person, or to property, wherever situated,
©a reference to the public includes a reference to the public of a country other than the United Kingdom, and
(d)“the government” means the government of the United Kingdom, of a Part of the United Kingdom or of a country other than the United Kingdom.

(5)In this Act a reference to action taken for the purposes of terrorism includes a reference to action taken for the benefit of a proscribed organisation.

Panetta, the CFR and sundry other sources state that Al Qaeda (a proscribed organization which absorbed another proscribed organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighters Group) are on the ground alongside the FSA in Syria. The CFR and others state that the FSA would most likey be unable to maintain it's campaign as it is without those proscribed organizations help

In actual fact the boldened section five, if it can be shown that the money could well end up being used by proscribed organizations, would actually class Hague as a terrorist himself would it not?
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 23:31 #16

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Good thread dubs and one I'll give more attention to when my brain starts working properly again.

I'll also take the opportunity to agree with the abster and say hats off to your spunk lad :psketti:
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 23:33 #17

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I haven't done any Cubase/Logic/Cakewalk stuff for over 16 years so I can't help with the midi to smpt sync stuff these days, which is probably completely different to the way it was achieved back in the olden days. I doubt there is much call for knowledge of analogue 2" machines and Ampex 486 these days or out of date digital machines like Soundscape. :emb:

Most of the decent video editors have multi track capabilities for video and audio so you can just import the audio, then cut & paste plus cross fade the audio within the video package directly.
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 23:37 #18

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Another plod answer in response to the question,
"No-one got anything to show that Hague etc aren't actually funding terrorist activity? "


"They might/might not be but i don't care"

:facepalm:

The mods over at plodonline have stepped in now and asked for the jibes to stop...
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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 23:48 #19

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when my brain starts working properly again.

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Re: More evidence that ministers are above the law. 13 Aug 2012 23:49 #20

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"They might/might not be but i don't care"

:facepalm:

Ignorant fucks.
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