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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 12:14 #21

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cantata wrote:
Exactly! You can take anything and imbue it with your own "meaning" - a cauliflower, an old sock, a piece of thread. To you it willl then become a magical or religious symbol of (enter what you want to about it). To everyone else it will still be a vegetable or a bit of tat. :D

Precisely!

And to be honest, even some people who I generally admired on the DIF, were so insistent in their view that it is evil at worst, and ignorant at best, to buy a poppy on Remembrance Day for eg,, that I not only thought their logic misguided, but their debating technique had a bully-boy feel to it, which seemed designed to render feelings of guilt and shame where, to my mind, none were warranted.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 12:14 #22

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G'day Dawnbreak.

Well, I'd have to believe in the Abrahamic religious mythology to believe in 'Satan'. It isn't something that I believe in, so, to me, 'Satan' is merely another mythological character from a mythological story.

Now 'Satan Claus', commonly known of as 'Santa Claus', well, there's a story behind it all, the below being one point of view about it ...



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In considering the character of Santa Claus, and given that he is so closely associated with elves and antlered reindeer, the question is often posed as to whether there is a Witchcraft connection here. Also, is the name Santa perhaps a play on Satan (being a straightforward anagram), or does Santa Claus really emanate, by phonetic corruption, from Saint Nicholas as we are led to believe ?

As we have seen, the concept of Father Christmas (with customary holly-sprig in his cap) is a direct representation of the gift bearing Yuletide Holly King, sometimes called Father Winter or Grandfather Frost. His one-time pagan image was brought into line with the Christian festival in the 17th century, whereas Santa Claus first appeared by that name in America as late as the middle 1800s. And then, of course, there is the Kris Kringle portrayal. Are they all the same character and, if so, how can an historical Christian bishop possibly equate with the jolly, pipe-smoking Yuletide Elf ?

Back in the very earliest days of the Roman Church in AD325, one of the bishops at Emperor Constantine's Council of Nicea was a certain Nicholas of Myra from Asia Minor (modern Turkey), who claimed to have a personal dialogue with Jesus and an angel. At this Church conference the bishops were debating the nature of the Holy Trinity - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost - and of how Jesus was not simply the Son of God, but was also God incarnate. There were, nonetheless, some bishops of the pre-Roman school who opposed this new Imperial dogma and averred that Jesus was the Son as created in the flesh by God - but he was not himself God. The leading spokesman for this opposition faction was an aged Libyan priest of Alexandria named Arius, but when Arius rose to address the Council in this regard, Nicholas of Myra punched him in the face - an event which paved the way for the emergent Nicene Trinity Creed.

Other than that, very little is recorded about Bishop Nicholas (Ad 271-343) until a fictitious biography was written by the Greek missionary Methodius in the 9th century. Then, as a direct outcome of this, schoolboys, pawnbrokers, sailors, prostitutes, merchants and apothecaries all claimed the violent bishop as their patron saint ! Methodius reported in his text that Nicholas had given a bag of gold to each of the three girls to save them from prostitution - whence, apparently, the three golden balls used as a sign of pawnbrokers, although the connection is difficult to comprehend. He was also said to have the power to calm the seas, while the story which established his traditional link with children claimed that Nicholas successfully restored to life three boys who had been cut into pieces and preserved in brine by their inn keeping parents !

Following these reports, Nicholas became the elected patron saint of Greece, Apulia, Sicily, Lorraine and Russia - becoming especially popular with the Eastern Orthodox Church. Then, based upon the 'bags of gold' story, a new tradition grew in and around The Netherlands to the effect that St. Nicholas would return each year to bring gifts for well-behaved children on the eve of hid 6 December feast day - a tradition which has long been acted out in places such as Denmark, Holland and Belgium.

The origin of the modern Santa Claus story is often attributed to 17th-century Dutch settlers in America (in New York to be precise, which was called New Amsterdam until the 1700s). They are said to have taken the St. Nicholas tradition across the ocean with them, but tis is completely untrue. The Dutch colonial settlers were, in fact, members of the Protestant Dutch Reform Church, who had no empathy whatever with Catholic saints. Santa actually emerged from a character introduced to Pennsylvania by the German settlers - a character called Pelznichol (meaning Furry Nicholas) and sometimes referred to as Old Nick. He was reckoned to be a mischievous hobgoblin (akin to Hodekin and Robin Goodfellow) and by 1827 he was firmly established in the Philadelphia Yuletide festivals.

Reminiscent of Enkidu in the old Mesopotamian legend of Gilgamesh, Pelznichol was a somewhat wild, hairy individual who was noted for playing tricks on people once a year - a tradition which was transformed into gift giving. The Dutch of Pennsylvania, along with various other settled families, became attached to the custom of Pelznichol (alternatively Belsnickle), but they gave his gifts a Christian flavour by relating them specifically to children and calling them Krist-kindle ('Christ-kin'). By the 1840s this definition was adapted for Pelznichol himself, who became known in some communities as Kriss Kringle. Alternatively, from around 1823, it was reckoned that Kriss Kringle actually was the Christ child who, with no real explanation, appeared as an old bearded twin of Santa Claus. To differentiate between the two, it was said that, while Santa came down the chimney, his Christian twin came in through the keyhole.

To discover the true identity of Santa Claus, we shall return again to Pelznichol. Meanwhile, though, we should take a look at some other events which established the character in the guise that we know him. In doing this, we can go back to early 17th-century England, where we discover the first use of the Father Christmas name in connection with the Holly King tradition. This occurred in the year 1610 when Father Christmas, in a tall hat bedecked with holly, made his first ever appearance by that name in the Christmas Masque productions of William Shakespeare's colleague, the playwright Ben Johnson. Making his stage entry at the same time with a group of children was Cupid - a name eventually used for one of Santa's reindeer.

In 1822 the next major step came when the American writer Clement Clarke Moore penned a Christmas poem for his own children. It drew upon various traditions, especially that of the Russian Grandfather Frost, who had a sleigh and a reindeer (unlike St. Nicholas who always rode a white horse). It related also to the fur-clad German Pelznichol, whose signature was said to be Thunder (Donner) and Lightning (Blitzen), which provided two more reindeer names for Moore's poem - along with Cupid, Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, and Comet. (Rudolph did not appear until as recently as 1939 in a story by Robert L. May) In spite of the anomalies, Moore's poem was entitled A Visit From Saint Nicholas - soon to become widely known in publication as The Night Before Christmas, which begins:

'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house,
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

Not only were the now famous reindeer introduced in this poem, but it established the first known link with stockings and chimneys, while giving a description of the newly developing Yuletide Elf character:

He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot;
A bundle of toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.

His eyes - how they twinkled ! His dimples so merry !
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry.
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow.

The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath.
He had a broad face and a little round belly,
That shook when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself.

Thus, the modern Santa was beginning to evolve, although one would hardly recognise him from the strange little fellow depicted in the 1848 edition of Moore's poem. In 1869 a colour edition was released, with pictures by an unknown artist, which brought the character a little closer to today's image. Oddly, though, this chubby elf with the red bobble-hat and pipe was still called St. Nicholas in the poem, although being as far removed from the historical bishop as one could possibly stray. But nowhere yet was this character called Santa Claus.

The magazine Harpers Weekly had, by that time, commissioned the political cartoonist Thomas Nast to produce a series of drawings of the popular elf for the annual covers of their Christmas editions, and these developed the character still further, making him a little larger and less elfin. Meanwhile, the separate Father Christmas (looking more like a druid with holly in his hair) was pursuing his own rather more wiccan career in England, appearing in 1888 in Thomas K. Hervey's The Book of Christmas not with reindeer, but riding on the back of a goat and carrying a wassail bowl.

To complete the picture of Santa in America, along came Haddon Sundblom who (from 1931 to 1964) created a new representation each Christmas for the Coca-cola advertisements which appeared worldwide in The Post and National Geographic magazines. And so the familiar modern Santa portrayal finally emerged in true Disney style - but why was he suddenly called Santa Claus ? And why were the folk in Denmark now calling their one-time Saint Nicholas by the new name of Sinterklaas ? Had some other tradition perhaps become interpolated during the early decades of the 20th-century ? It certainly had.In fact two other traditions had become merged with that of the American Yuletide Elf - the first being England's own druidic Holly King, Father Christmas. More importantly, though, was the re-cementing of the original Pelznichol culture - by then widely recognised as that of Kriss Kringle - for it was actually Pelznichol, the wild hobgoblin (a counterpart of Hodekin and Robin Goodfellow, or Puck) who carried the alternative name which became Santa Claus.

To understand how this transpired, we need to go back in history again to Europe, where Pelznichol was so called because he was a nick (a sprite). Consequently, one of his familiar names was Old Nick. So, from the moment that Clement Clarke Moore's Christmas character appeared, 'dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot', the beginning of a merger was apparent between his St. Nicholas and the other Furry Nicholas.

Old Nick, meanwhile, had been the very figure most associated with Pope Gregory I's description of the devil, taking over totally from the earlier fallen angel depictions in medieval times, so that the devil was (and still is) often referred to as Old Nick. Where did this devil live ? Apparently, he lived in the far North according to the churchmen who quoted the Old Testament book of Jeremiah (1:14): 'Then the Lord said unto me, Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land'. So the legendary Old Nick (Pelznichol) supposedly came from the North Pole, just as Santa does today - having no geographical relevance whatever to the historical St. Nicholas.

The rest of the story follows from this very root, and from the appearance of Pope Gregory's Satan (Old Nick) character in European Passion plays from the 12th century. It is, however, from the writings of Jacob Grimm (of the Brothers Grimm fairy tale fame) that the puzzle is finally pieced together. In his comprehensive research work entitled Teutonic Mythology Grimm explains that, in the course of the Christian plays of the Middle Ages, it was common for a famous saintly bishop (generally St. Nicholas) to develop a split personality within the plot. While the traditionally benevolent saint would remain in character, his alter ego would degenerate into an additionally scripted figure of opposition akin to Pelznichol - a wild satanic creature called Claus.

And so it was that, when the Holly King, St. Nicholas, Father Christmas, Kriss Kringle and Pelzb=nichol finally merged into the one all-embracing character, it was the Old Nick alter ego from the Christmas plays who finally reigned supreme. It was he who determined the Yuletide Elf's name for all time - for he was the 'Satan Claus', or as he has become better known (by the way of a strategic anagrammatical switch from the original satanic definition to a more acceptable saintly style), Santa Claus.

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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 12:34 #23

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dawnbreak wrote:
just had a wee look at 'the place that shall not mentioned' and there is a lot of talk about Santanic rituals with the olympics (amogst other things)

and if you watched the opening and closing ceremony's you were therefore partaking in a santanic ritual?

How can you partake in a satanic ritual if you a) do not give consent and b) do not believe in Satan?

(I do believe energy can be harvested )

But the olympics .......I read all the rik clay stuff and was expecting giant ufo's and prince william declaring himself the anti-chirst hung upside on a cross .....gets a bit boring when every prediction falls flat ..........roll on dec 2012 :rofl:

Every prediction fell flat?

Hardly.

Rik Clay, a brave young man who was murdered at the age of 26, put a lot of time into researching the background to the 2012 Olympics, which can't have been easy for someone so young with a daytime job to keep him busy.

I'll have to revisit the Rik Clay interviews and his work, but he was clearly 100% spot on with his interpretation of the ZION / Jerusalem themed Olympic games. Although he wasn't the first to make the ZION connection, he did go on to find many pieces of the puzzle and join some of them together. He came across as a very modest young man who clearly couldn't see the whole picture (who can?), but did his best to get the information out there. God rest his soul.

Anyway, one of the things that stuck out for me was Rik's feeling that William Blake was going to play a big part in the 2012 Olympics. And he was 100% correct on that.

There was an amazing amount of occult symbolism surrounding the Olympics. It was there for all to see.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 12:59 #24

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The Olympics might have been surrounded by "occult symbols", but to those who don't know what they are meant to represent (the vast, vast majority of people), they were simply logos. A pyramid is simply a tomb for some pharoah, or a triangle, and a triangle is simply a triangle - unless you choose to imbue it with certain meaning. For Christians present at the games, that would mean The Holy trinity of Father, son and Holy Ghost. To someone like me... it's a triangle.

And most of the symbols have a far longer history than Christianity or its off-shoot satanism.

I think the important word in dawny's question is "knowingly". Whatever the "masters of society" intended people to worship, the huge majority would have been there to enjoy sport together. Ignorance and Innocence bring their own protections.

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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 13:50 #25

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That's my kind of Santanic ritual.
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 14:13 #26

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Anthony65 wrote:
dawnbreak wrote:
just had a wee look at 'the place that shall not mentioned' and there is a lot of talk about Santanic rituals with the olympics (amogst other things)

and if you watched the opening and closing ceremony's you were therefore partaking in a santanic ritual?

How can you partake in a satanic ritual if you a) do not give consent and b) do not believe in Satan?

(I do believe energy can be harvested )

But the olympics .......I read all the rik clay stuff and was expecting giant ufo's and prince william declaring himself the anti-chirst hung upside on a cross .....gets a bit boring when every prediction falls flat ..........roll on dec 2012 :rofl:

Every prediction fell flat?

Hardly.

Rik Clay, a brave young man who was murdered at the age of 26, put a lot of time into researching the background to the 2012 Olympics, which can't have been easy for someone so young with a daytime job to keep him busy.

I'll have to revisit the Rik Clay interviews and his work, but he was clearly 100% spot on with his interpretation of the ZION / Jerusalem themed Olympic games. Although he wasn't the first to make the ZION connection, he did go on to find many pieces of the puzzle and join some of them together. He came across as a very modest young man who clearly couldn't see the whole picture (who can?), but did his best to get the information out there. God rest his soul.

Anyway, one of the things that stuck out for me was Rik's feeling that William Blake was going to play a big part in the 2012 Olympics. And he was 100% correct on that.

There was an amazing amount of occult symbolism surrounding the Olympics. It was there for all to see.

G'day Anthony65.

Was it Rik Clay that made the prediction that there would be a fake alien invasion at the 2012 Olympics ?

And what did William Blake have to do with the Olympics ? He's been dead for 185 years.

Oh, and didn't Rik Clay commit suicide ? Yet you state categorically that he was murdered.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 15:47 #27

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Anthony, nobody said there wasn't occult symbolism in the 2012 Olympics. The issue is more, by observing the proceedings, are we willingly participating?

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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 19:24 #28

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Anthony65 wrote:
dawnbreak wrote:
just had a wee look at 'the place that shall not mentioned' and there is a lot of talk about Santanic rituals with the olympics (amogst other things)

and if you watched the opening and closing ceremony's you were therefore partaking in a santanic ritual?

How can you partake in a satanic ritual if you a) do not give consent and b) do not believe in Satan?

(I do believe energy can be harvested )

But the olympics .......I read all the rik clay stuff and was expecting giant ufo's and prince william declaring himself the anti-chirst hung upside on a cross .....gets a bit boring when every prediction falls flat ..........roll on dec 2012 :rofl:

Every prediction fell flat?

Hardly.

Rik Clay, a brave young man who was murdered at the age of 26, put a lot of time into researching the background to the 2012 Olympics, which can't have been easy for someone so young with a daytime job to keep him busy.

I'll have to revisit the Rik Clay interviews and his work, but he was clearly 100% spot on with his interpretation of the ZION / Jerusalem themed Olympic games. Although he wasn't the first to make the ZION connection, he did go on to find many pieces of the puzzle and join some of them together. He came across as a very modest young man who clearly couldn't see the whole picture (who can?), but did his best to get the information out there. God rest his soul.

Anyway, one of the things that stuck out for me was Rik's feeling that William Blake was going to play a big part in the 2012 Olympics. And he was 100% correct on that.

There was an amazing amount of occult symbolism surrounding the Olympics. It was there for all to see.

G'day Anthony65.

Was it Rik Clay that made the prediction that there would be a fake alien invasion at the 2012 Olympics ?

And what did William Blake have to do with the Olympics ? He's been dead for 185 years.

Oh, and didn't Rik Clay commit suicide ? Yet you state categorically that he was murdered.

What did William Blake have to do with the Olympics? Not only was Jerusalem sung, but the stage set for the opening ceremony was a depiction of a green and pleasant land and the dark satanic mills... all leading up to the building of Jerusalem, which fits perfectly with the whole ZION themed 2012 Olympic games.

The date of William Blake's death is irrelevant, although funnily enough he died on August 12th, the same date as the closing ceremony.

Did Rik Clay predict that there woould be a fake alien invasion at the 2012? As I mentioned above, Rik Clay was a young, brilliant and very modest man. He stated clearly that all his work might simply be the work of his creative mind. He never stated that anything would happen. He was sharing his ideas with a wider audience and letting them draw their own conclusions.

I haven't heard or seen him state that any fake alien invasion would occur at the time of the Olympics. He made a lot of references to 11/11 and Decmeber 21st 2012, but again, he didn't claim that anything had to happen. I personally think that there is enough evidence to show that a blue beam / fake alien invasion event is a possibility. The technology is all in place: Holograms in the sky, manmade UFOs of various kinds. If required this could be unleashed on an unwitting public, but only time will tell.

As for his death. You write that he committed suicide. That was the official verdict, but I don't believe that any more than David Kelly committed suicide. I suppose the technical term would be "suicided", like the poor bloke who was found dead in his holdall. Yes, I think Rik Clay was murdered. A brilliant young man who had just given an interview to Redice and agreed to do another. After his death, his work was pulled down sharpish. I think he unwittingly touched on something that wasn't supposed to be given such airtime; at least not by somone like Rik Clay would had the genius to open up more secrets.

Quote: "After Rik Clay went public with his work on the popular Red Ice Creations Radio show in 2008, he went missing. Everything connected to Rik’s work was removed and a few weeks later Rik Clay was found dead. His ashes were scattered on Sept 11th, 2008. Rik’s friends who had published back up’s of his blog took them down and refused to discuss it any furthur stating they were scared. If Rik was murdered, then somewhere in his work, he must have hit a helluva big nail on the head.Watch this “fascinating” interview just before his death."
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 19:39 #29

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Anthony, nobody said there wasn't occult symbolism in the 2012 Olympics. The issue is more, by observing the proceedings, are we willingly participating?

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"Every prediction fell flat" "Nothing happened" "It's all bullshit" "Paranoid" etc. etc.

Sounds to me as if some people do feel that there was no occult symbolism. That's their call. I see it very differently.

Is someone knowingly partaking in a satanic ritual by being there or watching?

I would say that even if it's unknowing, then someone can still be partaking. For example, your example of the Remembrance Day ceremonies. I would class that as an occult ritual and every bit of emotional reverence is being harvested. The same would apply to a pop concert or even going to a dodgy church. Matthew Delooze described it all quite well.

If someone is knowingly partaking then are they a willing participant as you put it, or are they a neutral spectator, or perhaps even someone who is aware of the nature of the event but viewing it in a way that their loving energy cancels out the negative intentions of any darker motivations. There are a whole range of possibilities, from the pop fans giving the horns and chanting for satan through to girls wetting themselves as they scream their adoration at "idols" on stage.

Some stuff is very, very dark indeed, while other stuff is much less so. Most people are ignorant of any dark goings on and treat it as entertainment, others are aware of the concept of energy harvesting or possession but choose to either ridicule it, ignore it or even embrace it. Others take it seriously and avoid it or work to counter it.

With awareness comes greater responsibility, to ourselves and to others. Each individual must follow the path that they feel is right for them.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 20:50 #30

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I do see your point, but I think the, "Nothing happened", type comments are pretty much to be expected, in view of the speculation that's built up over a long period of time, regarding the Olympics being used as the back-drop to Project Blue Beam, or some other FF attack.

Nothing like those predictions did happen, so far as we're aware.

It has occurred to me that some kind of nanotech attack may have been made that's still a ticking time-bomb which we're not even aware of. Instinctively, I doubt it, but acknowledge that it's a possibility.

Another possibility is that something monumental was planned to coincide with the Olympics, which was cancelled due to there being so much awareness of the masses - it's not so easy to carry out a plausible false flag event when people have been loudly predicting for ages that it's going to happen.

Does the displaying of symbols equate to something having actually happened? To my mind, no, though others may disagree. These symbols are pretty regularly displayed by the media. Some people recognise them, and others don't.

I'm not at all convinced that someone willingly observing sport / idolising pop stars / paying respects to ancestors who fought in wars for our freedom etc. are knowingly partaking in a satanic ritual.

But then, I don't accept that my energy can be harvested. I actually forbid it - but don't feel the need to conduct any kind of ritual myself to block it from happening.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 21:04 #31

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Gilly: For me, the ritual that was the Olympic Games definitely counts as something happening. A ritual with a massive global audience.

Whether anything was cancelled or postponed due to increased exposure we can only speculate upon, but the media was pushing the terrorist attack and alien invasion stories very heavily in the run up to the games. We can only hope that "nothing" continues to happen.

Again, in my opinion, the rituals, ceremonies, props, language, music, etc surrounding public events are giveaways to the true nature of what is going on. Often a very dark nature that isn't there for anyone's benefit, except a minority of scumbags and their demonic masters.

As I say, it's just my opinion, and if it's a minority one here then I don't intend to start trying to justify it to everyone. My opinions are based on personal experiences and my research over the past few years. It's very difficult to communicate those experiences and research to others. Some stuff is simply too deep and too personal to share with a wider audience, but it is often precisely those experiences that are the most important for each one of us. I assume that others can understand that and experience the same.

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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 21:09 #32

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Here's a revelation.
The elite do infact deploy symbols to enact their evil spells.
They are immensely powerful sigils which rarely, if ever, fail.

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Gilly wrote:

But then, I don't accept that my energy can be harvested. I actually forbid it - but don't feel the need to conduct any kind of ritual myself to block it from happening.

This ^^^ is my entire stance on the matter.
There is no such thing as Thin Air: Thin Air is full of the particles of creation.

Take something that costs you nothing but effort;
And practice, practice, practice until you make it something fabulous.

"...Wyrde saves oft the man undoomed
If he undaunted be....". (Beowulf)....
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 21:14 #34

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feather wrote:
Here's a revelation.
The elite do infact deploy symbols to enact their evil spells.
They are immensely powerful sigils which rarely, if ever, fail.

£ $

All the rest is hokum.

This ^^ is the only thing any of them are after. Forget them wanting our "energy", or "love" or "adoration". They want as much of our money as they can get - because it's that that gives them control and dominion.

Be it sport, music, or any art or business... MONEY is what they want to harvest from us.
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Anthony65 wrote:
Sometimes saying nothing is the best policy.
I should probably get the step daughter to tattoo that on me somewhere really obvious :emb:
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cantata wrote:
MONEY is what they want to harvest from us.
I don't really buy that, after all "they" create the money.
To me it's more about taking real world wealth. Land, resources etc. Whilst maintaining control through enslavement to the money paradigm.
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cantata wrote:
MONEY is what they want to harvest from us.
I don't really buy that, after all "they" create the money.
To me it's more about taking real world wealth. Land, resources etc. Whilst maintaining control through enslavement to the money paradigm.
The symbols are the devices used to cast the spell which befuddles people into giving those things to them.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual? 25 Aug 2012 21:28 #38

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I think you are both right. One enables them to get the other.

I think rituals do exist and are carried out btw at these public shows, and many of them are based on mythology (to label them satanic is off base imo) ...but i think these events are really 'all about the benjamins' at the end of the day.
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cantata wrote:
MONEY is what they want to harvest from us.
I don't really buy that, after all "they" create the money.
To me it's more about taking real world wealth. Land, resources etc. Whilst maintaining control through enslavement to the money paradigm.

Absolutely, without doubt. Of course they want us held in need to work for them; and they will buy the land, gold, assets, etc. But the way we have society set-up today they need MONEY to do that.

They create the money? In a financial market place where millions of every type of person are dealing and investing? Isn't it a bit simplistic and Icke-ish to imagine that "they" can override all the greedy eyes and network of rules and just go about printing money (through non official means).

Even "they" get done for that.... Sorry, I just don't accord these people the mighty, above-god powers that others seem to.

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So when one group of these modern day wizards launch an attack on another group of wizards do they sit within a pentangle and chant incantations or do they freeze financial assets and impose trade embargoes to restrict the oppositions ability to generate £ $ magic?

It's the all about the money Lebowski.
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