They create the money? In a financial market place where millions of every type of person are dealing and investing? Isn't it a bit simplistic and Icke-ish to imagine that "they" can override all the greedy eyes and network of rules and just go about printing money (through non official means).
The creation of money is pretty much solely in the hands of the corporate. It's not Icke-ish it just is. Those countries that have resisted this tend to um end up on an axis of evil or some other list.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual?
25 Aug 2012 21:53 #42
So when one group of these modern day wizards launch an attack on another group of wizards do they sit within a pentangle and chant incantations or do they freeze financial assets and impose trade embargoes to restrict the oppositions ability to generate £ $ magic?
It's the all about the money Lebowski.
sure, i agree.
the shows they put on at these kind of events are a seperate deal imo, they like to reference stories from mythology, for which there is strong evidence that its sourced from astrolatry and constellations, when i have looked into some in the past they tend to be whats known as "origin myths"
all sides do seem to have variants of the 'winged sun disc' in their national symbolism though, even those on the "evil" *ahem* side...so there is something to that...again these "origin myths" could be reference to astrolatry/observations of constellations.
Thanks Anthony for your replies and I do see where you are coming from but I still wonder then if you , yourself think that you were partaking in a satanic/evil ritual by watching the opening ceremony?
You obviously think it was steeped in occultism/symbolism but you still watched it ( Ido agree it was if that's what you were looking for). this is the bit that confuses me sometimes with researchers/conspiracy people..........they believe something is harvesting engery/being used for bad purposes but then watch and disect the whole thing? If you believe it is full of occult symbolism and dangerous would you not just avoid it all together?
just had a wee look at 'the place that shall not mentioned' and there is a lot of talk about Santanic rituals with the olympics (amogst other things)
and if you watched the opening and closing ceremony's you were therefore partaking in a santanic ritual?
How can you partake in a satanic ritual if you a) do not give consent and b) do not believe in Satan?
(I do believe energy can be harvested )
But the olympics .......I read all the rik clay stuff and was expecting giant ufo's and prince william declaring himself the anti-chirst hung upside on a cross .....gets a bit boring when every prediction falls flat ..........roll on dec 2012
Every prediction fell flat?
Hardly.
Rik Clay, a brave young man who was murdered at the age of 26, put a lot of time into researching the background to the 2012 Olympics, which can't have been easy for someone so young with a daytime job to keep him busy.
I'll have to revisit the Rik Clay interviews and his work, but he was clearly 100% spot on with his interpretation of the ZION / Jerusalem themed Olympic games. Although he wasn't the first to make the ZION connection, he did go on to find many pieces of the puzzle and join some of them together. He came across as a very modest young man who clearly couldn't see the whole picture (who can?), but did his best to get the information out there. God rest his soul.
Anyway, one of the things that stuck out for me was Rik's feeling that William Blake was going to play a big part in the 2012 Olympics. And he was 100% correct on that.
There was an amazing amount of occult symbolism surrounding the Olympics. It was there for all to see.
G'day Anthony65.
Was it Rik Clay that made the prediction that there would be a fake alien invasion at the 2012 Olympics ?
And what did William Blake have to do with the Olympics ? He's been dead for 185 years.
Oh, and didn't Rik Clay commit suicide ? Yet you state categorically that he was murdered.
What did William Blake have to do with the Olympics? Not only was Jerusalem sung, but the stage set for the opening ceremony was a depiction of a green and pleasant land and the dark satanic mills... all leading up to the building of Jerusalem, which fits perfectly with the whole ZION themed 2012 Olympic games.
The date of William Blake's death is irrelevant, although funnily enough he died on August 12th, the same date as the closing ceremony.
G'day Anthony65.
So William Blake didn't have anything to do with the Olympic games because he is dead, which is highly relevant for obvious reasons. After all, it's not like a dead man can "play a big part" in something after he is already dead.
Someone decided to use a poem of his in the ceremony. Wow, how Satanic.
On top of that, Jerusalem hasn't been built either. Anthony65 wrote:
Did Rik Clay predict that there woould be a fake alien invasion at the 2012? As I mentioned above, Rik Clay was a young, brilliant and very modest man. He stated clearly that all his work might simply be the work of his creative mind. He never stated that anything would happen. He was sharing his ideas with a wider audience and letting them draw their own conclusions.
I haven't heard or seen him state that any fake alien invasion would occur at the time of the Olympics. He made a lot of references to 11/11 and Decmeber 21st 2012, but again, he didn't claim that anything had to happen. I personally think that there is enough evidence to show that a blue beam / fake alien invasion event is a possibility. The technology is all in place: Holograms in the sky, manmade UFOs of various kinds. If required this could be unleashed on an unwitting public, but only time will tell.
Your description of Rik Clay is irrelevant. It's a subjective view of an individual.
Rik clay talks about the fake alien invasion in this interview (as per description on the interview) ...
... he also states this ...
I come from the viewpoint, I believe in a mind before matter universe. You know everyone extends from consciousness, consciousness precipitates matter. Not the other way around as scientists would have you believe it. And I mean, the way that I can, you know, kind of prove that to myself and hopefully to others is that, I don't mean to be crude about this, but when for instance a man is sleeping and he has an orgasm in the middle of the night, right the process that has created that is not any physical action, it all stems from thought, and if you think about that, then obviously that thought has then created the ability to create life. You understand where I am coming from. That for me is proof that everything is a mind before matter universe.
... which shows that 'proof' for Rik Clay is some guy having a wet dream.
What amazing research and fund-a-mental comprehension of reality. Anthony65 wrote:
As for his death. You write that he committed suicide. That was the official verdict, but I don't believe that any more than David Kelly committed suicide. I suppose the technical term would be "suicided", like the poor bloke who was found dead in his holdall. Yes, I think Rik Clay was murdered. A brilliant young man who had just given an interview to Redice and agreed to do another. After his death, his work was pulled down sharpish. I think he unwittingly touched on something that wasn't supposed to be given such airtime; at least not by somone like Rik Clay would had the genius to open up more secrets.
Quote: "After Rik Clay went public with his work on the popular Red Ice Creations Radio show in 2008, he went missing. Everything connected to Rik’s work was removed and a few weeks later Rik Clay was found dead. His ashes were scattered on Sept 11th, 2008. Rik’s friends who had published back up’s of his blog took them down and refused to discuss it any furthur stating they were scared. If Rik was murdered, then somewhere in his work, he must have hit a helluva big nail on the head.Watch this “fascinating” interview just before his death."
I asked you because you are categorically stating that Rik Clay was murdered.
Bringing David Kelly into the discussion is a straw man argument. Whether or not David Kelly was murdered has no relevance in whether Rik Clay was murdered or not.
Now you're calling Rik Clay a "genius". Based on what ?
And what "secrets" had Rik Clay opened up ?
Seriously, at this point you haven't offered anything to support your stance and simply sound like a fan-boy of Rik Clay's. What you are doing is creating a logical fallacy, an appeal to authority, yet have not shown that Rik Clay is an authority on anything.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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I AM: My personal opinion is that Rik Clay was a brilliant and modest young man who discovered some amazing stuff. If he had lived longer, the he would have discovered even more. God rest his soul.
You appear to have a very low regard for Rik Clay and you have taken a quote to ridicule him, complete with roll eyes and "Fund-a-mental" digs at a dead man. That's very, very low.
Go ahead and get your next snidey digs in at me and Rik Clay if it makes you happy. I don't mind you taking the piss out of me, but I do object to you taking the piss out of a young man who is tragically no longer around to defend himself.
You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can not make him think.
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Re: have you knowingly partaken in a santanic ritual?
27 Aug 2012 11:18 #52
I AM: My personal opinion is that Rik Clay was a brilliant and modest young man who discovered some amazing stuff. If he had lived longer, the he would have discovered even more. God rest his soul.
You appear to have a very low regard for Rik Clay and you have taken a quote to ridicule him, complete with roll eyes and "Fund-a-mental" digs at a dead man. That's very, very low.
Go ahead and get your next snidey digs in at me and Rik Clay if it makes you happy. I don't mind you taking the piss out of me, but I do object to you taking the piss out of a young man who is tragically no longer around to defend himself.
G'day Anthony65.
A "low regard" ... no. I respect each and every individuated aspect of life. What I don't do is put anyone or anything up on a pedestal and think of them as being 'better' than any other individuated aspect of life.
I'm simply not gushing over someone that repeated information that he found on the internet. You are entitled to think whatever you like about him. Personally, I haven't found anything that he discussed to be a "secret" and that he really drew a long bow on most of what he presented. Some of it was purely oddball and ridiculous.
If you'd like, start a thread about Rik Clay and present his "amazing stuff". I'll join in the discussion. IF his "amazing stuff" can be supported then I'd be interested to know about it. If it can't be supported, then it's the same old, same old as with many of the 'conspiracy researchers' (a term I use in its loosest sense of the meaning of the word).
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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I AM: My personal opinion is that Rik Clay was a brilliant and modest young man who discovered some amazing stuff. If he had lived longer, the he would have discovered even more. God rest his soul.
You appear to have a very low regard for Rik Clay and you have taken a quote to ridicule him, complete with roll eyes and "Fund-a-mental" digs at a dead man. That's very, very low.
Go ahead and get your next snidey digs in at me and Rik Clay if it makes you happy. I don't mind you taking the piss out of me, but I do object to you taking the piss out of a young man who is tragically no longer around to defend himself.
anthony ...........he committed suicide ............his family are all over the internet trying to take down his blogs and such like because it was the death of him
Sadly an example of when it all goes tragically wrong
I AM: My personal opinion is that Rik Clay was a brilliant and modest young man who discovered some amazing stuff. If he had lived longer, the he would have discovered even more. God rest his soul.
You appear to have a very low regard for Rik Clay and you have taken a quote to ridicule him, complete with roll eyes and "Fund-a-mental" digs at a dead man. That's very, very low.
Go ahead and get your next snidey digs in at me and Rik Clay if it makes you happy. I don't mind you taking the piss out of me, but I do object to you taking the piss out of a young man who is tragically no longer around to defend himself.
G'day Anthony65.
A "low regard" ... no. I respect each and every individuated aspect of life. What I don't do is put anyone or anything up on a pedestal and think of them as being 'better' than any other individuated aspect of life.
I'm simply not gushing over someone that repeated information that he found on the internet. You are entitled to think whatever you like about him. Personally, I haven't found anything that he discussed to be a "secret" and that he really drew a long bow on most of what he presented. Some of it was purely oddball and ridiculous.
If you'd like, start a thread about Rik Clay and present his "amazing stuff". I'll join in the discussion. IF his "amazing stuff" can be supported then I'd be interested to know about it. If it can't be supported, then it's the same old, same old as with many of the 'conspiracy researchers' (a term I use in its loosest sense of the meaning of the word).
Top posting IAM, I completely agree, I feel kind of bad for Rik Clay and how he was thrust into the spotlight for unknowingly imo feeding a certain ideology.
The meanings that are the most directly practical are the ones that are sacrificed: the flavor, aroma and touch are abolished to the profit of the delusions that permanently lead sight and hearing astray.
Top posting IAM, I completely agree, I feel kind of bad for Rik Clay and how he was thrust into the spotlight for unknowingly imo feeding a certain ideology.
G'day Guevarista.
I agree that he was thrust into the spotlight to feed an ideology. It's so obvious when you listen to any of the interviews that he did, especially the Red Ice one that I posted. The interviewer doesn't question Rik about supporting what he states and is basically only there to supply Rik with a platform to preach from. Which coincidentally is what many people in the 'conspiracy movement' complain happens in the MSM.
What is unfortunate is that it appears to have sent Rik into a mental state that saw him take his life. I don't know the reason why he took his life and i doubt that we will find out the reason.
At the same time, it doesn't mean that because he died we now should give credence to unsupported information that he presented. Far from it. Information should be evaluated through rational and logical means. After all, irrationality doesn't help, and as far as I am aware, being illogical doesn't help either.
Anyway, thanks for your post mate.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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No prob's IAM it took a certain amount of courage to make that post, nobody wants to speak ill of the dead, but we want to do them the honour of critically weighing and analyzing their contributions to the struggle. Anthony65 wrote:
I AM: My personal opinion is that Rik Clay was a brilliant and modest young man who discovered some amazing stuff. If he had lived longer, the he would have discovered even more. God rest his soul.
You appear to have a very low regard for Rik Clay and you have taken a quote to ridicule him, complete with roll eyes and "Fund-a-mental" digs at a dead man. That's very, very low.
Go ahead and get your next snidey digs in at me and Rik Clay if it makes you happy. I don't mind you taking the piss out of me, but I do object to you taking the piss out of a young man who is tragically no longer around to defend himself.
Hi Anthony, nobody is taking the piss, we're just objectively weighing his information.
If you get the chance read society of the spectacle, anything like an organized media platform that creates spectacular representations of human beings ie Wilcox, Icke, Alex Jones, aka celebrities as Rik Clay appeared set to become, is ideologically motivated subversion and exploitation of organic human developments, Wilcox, Jones and Icke have certainly shaped "resistance" to some degree over the last decade and financial markets have been developed to make despair/doom(tm) profitable, through a range of commodities books, dvds and survival products.
There are many brilliant and modest young people who discover amazing things, but who aren't given a platform to talk about them in front of thousands of people, beware of false idols
The meanings that are the most directly practical are the ones that are sacrificed: the flavor, aroma and touch are abolished to the profit of the delusions that permanently lead sight and hearing astray.
Rik Clay killed himself unfortunately. Paranoid people just wanted to make a big deal out of it, it got so bad that rik's parents contacted the dif moderation team, to tell them to stop the bullshit There were threads on it and notes from the forum advisor to respect the families right's and to cut the crap.
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There were threads on it and notes from the forum advisor to respect the families right's and to cut the crap. 
