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Money 06 Jan 2013 13:06 #41

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The problem is that if you have all the money then you can get around any rules or just have them changed. As for a world without money I am sure it is possible in parts but the problem is, that when you want electricity or a place to live or a place to grow your own food or whatever, they usually want money rather than something you made or whatever. I think there are perhaps steps towards a better way. I like employee owned and shopping at independent stores(not easy here).

There are many ways of getting most of the things one needs, for instance, just on the local radio station a lady has furnished her entire home with good stuff from Freecycle and similar, there is LETS, and Barter etc.

The avenues of anything free here in the Uk are being stifled, you can no longer wander into a refuse yard and riffle through the goodies, due to contracted areas, if you try your gonna get locked up for a few hours with a fine to go.

The way out is to skill up, to make as much as you can for yourself, once you get the skills needed, you can then basically drop out, to levels where government designated levels of life are in your favour, it really is that simple.

In the down turn the system pays you back what you have paid in for the previous period. When things turn around, you come back out of hibernation, sort of like nature does every year to their max in the good times.

Skills, satisfaction without it becoming a burden, live, it works if one does'nt dig for someone elses gold.

The question is how do you convince the majority of the population that the barter system is better than money.

The proof of any pudding is in the eating. Demonstration via experimentation.
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Money 06 Jan 2013 13:25 #42

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.......... wrote:
The Apprentice wrote:
i-baster wrote:
The problem is that if you have all the money then you can get around any rules or just have them changed. As for a world without money I am sure it is possible in parts but the problem is, that when you want electricity or a place to live or a place to grow your own food or whatever, they usually want money rather than something you made or whatever. I think there are perhaps steps towards a better way. I like employee owned and shopping at independent stores(not easy here).

There are many ways of getting most of the things one needs, for instance, just on the local radio station a lady has furnished her entire home with good stuff from Freecycle and similar, there is LETS, and Barter etc.

The avenues of anything free here in the Uk are being stifled, you can no longer wander into a refuse yard and riffle through the goodies, due to contracted areas, if you try your gonna get locked up for a few hours with a fine to go.

The way out is to skill up, to make as much as you can for yourself, once you get the skills needed, you can then basically drop out, to levels where government designated levels of life are in your favour, it really is that simple.

In the down turn the system pays you back what you have paid in for the previous period. When things turn around, you come back out of hibernation, sort of like nature does every year to their max in the good times.

Skills, satisfaction without it becoming a burden, live, it works if one does'nt dig for someone elses gold.

The question is how do you convince the majority of the population that the barter system is better than money.

There is a saying, teach a man how to fish.

In the video, The Story of Your Enslavement, Steffan says, the most valuable currency are the ones walking, to the hatless and sackless this bunch are mostly a skilless set, a collection of people with little honed hand to eye. We have all seen the products saying, made in Japan or the EU, etc, assembled in China before, I'm sure this gives us the answer ?.

Those holding the skills should be the ones holding their worth, I am one, there are many others. Pass on those skills and we come back to the beginning of this essay
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andyh wrote:
.......... wrote:
The Apprentice wrote:
i-baster wrote:
The problem is that if you have all the money then you can get around any rules or just have them changed. As for a world without money I am sure it is possible in parts but the problem is, that when you want electricity or a place to live or a place to grow your own food or whatever, they usually want money rather than something you made or whatever. I think there are perhaps steps towards a better way. I like employee owned and shopping at independent stores(not easy here).

There are many ways of getting most of the things one needs, for instance, just on the local radio station a lady has furnished her entire home with good stuff from Freecycle and similar, there is LETS, and Barter etc.

The avenues of anything free here in the Uk are being stifled, you can no longer wander into a refuse yard and riffle through the goodies, due to contracted areas, if you try your gonna get locked up for a few hours with a fine to go.

The way out is to skill up, to make as much as you can for yourself, once you get the skills needed, you can then basically drop out, to levels where government designated levels of life are in your favour, it really is that simple.

In the down turn the system pays you back what you have paid in for the previous period. When things turn around, you come back out of hibernation, sort of like nature does every year to their max in the good times.

Skills, satisfaction without it becoming a burden, live, it works if one does'nt dig for someone elses gold.

The question is how do you convince the majority of the population that the barter system is better than money.

The proof of any pudding is in the eating. Demonstration via experimentation.

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Re: Money 07 Jan 2013 00:46 #44

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I reckon you could do more than 'survive' app and for a lot longer than a month anorl
And tbh whilst my 'standard of living' would likely not be as good as yours, I'm confident that I could too.

Ha ha, Dubs, All one needs to remember is to pass the twelve day rulling that I mentioned a whiles back, that's all, the job will have been sorted in that time, believe me, its a tried and tested ruling, given to me by my Grandfather, who used it after he escaped twice from prisoner of war camps in Poland during the last world war.

What is this twelve day ruling app? Have you posted it here anywhere?
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psketti wrote:
The Apprentice wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
I reckon you could do more than 'survive' app and for a lot longer than a month anorl
And tbh whilst my 'standard of living' would likely not be as good as yours, I'm confident that I could too.

Ha ha, Dubs, All one needs to remember is to pass the twelve day rulling that I mentioned a whiles back, that's all, the job will have been sorted in that time, believe me, its a tried and tested ruling, given to me by my Grandfather, who used it after he escaped twice from prisoner of war camps in Poland during the last world war.

What is this twelve day ruling app? Have you posted it here anywhere?
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The twelve day rule basically gives anyone in an emergency situation that, a basic calorific intake/guide needed to survive a natural or unatural crisis. If your on the run say or holding out in any given area for any reason, your going to need a minimum of supplies that you can carry easily to support you on your journey. My Grandfather used this, his model, to successfully escape from several prisoner of war camps during world war two.

Prior to escaping the captived team would allow the geese as he called them, to fatten up on extra rations sacrificed by the other prisoners to give them a better chance at surviving the flight. This model ruling can be used in any given situation, be it a global collapse of the food supply or any other instant after effect of man's folley.

The daily intake he needed was a minimum of 500 calories per day to sustain them in a static situation and more if moving in and out of lairs at night, any less than 500 calories and the body soon goes into hibernation mode, very much like nature does towards the end of each season.

He made two crossings, second attempt, of occupied Europe, finally holding up in Vienna in a loft of our then Grandmother to be for the last 18 months of the war, he worked out afterwards how much food he was actually consuming, which was subsidised by food stolen from farmers fields at night with Mimi, at great risk to them both, some bonding process for a couple hey, which was to last them a lifetime.

So if there was ever a crash, take those calories at least and hide away for at least 12 days and most of everyone else will have already failed to survive, or very unlikely to have survived.

Take into consideration, the ' Heat is half Meat' model of old, where if you can keep warm and dry en-route, those calories will create enough heat from the food in a confined space to see you through a couple more days.

If you take any natural dissaster situation, the rescue services normally start thinking of knocking it on the head after about that amount ouf time unless they know someone is alive, like the trapped miners in South America. These were kept alive by having warmth and water and just enough food to keep their digestive systems running to prevent their bodies going into self consumption mode, a mouth full of food a day I think they had got to.
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