andyh wrote: Just crypto jews

Mike wrote:
Oh jeeez lol
I can still vividly recall Rodin harping about about 'jew york'

Mike wrote:
Many people make a career selling belief systems .Just look at religion
Im very new to Conspiracy theory and starting to see the trap you can get caught in.

Mike wrote:
I think Mike makes some good points here.

Conspiracy for some people is a career .Nothing wrong with that in itself we are all entitled to make money out of conspiracy theories just like everything else.
The problem arises when people feel manipulated into buying the latest dvd etc thinking they are changing the world. My ex lodger was a prime example he would buy all the latest Ian Crane,david icke,davis starbuck,etc dvds and spend all day everyday watching dvds.

After a while he became very withdrawn .This then becomes a whole mind trap thingy. Ive only been involved in conspiracy for a short time and its got to the stage where i have to check my laptop for updates as soon as I wake up.

The problem is there is no truth movement its a collective of individuals so the main message is seek your own path or else you will become a carbon copy of some so called awakend individual.

foonclown wrote:
Very good point, by age 30 people should be able to understand the system they live under.

.......... wrote:
An awakened mind as foonclown puts it would see money as being the key control mechanism for just about everything on the planet.
Just about everything else is secondary to that one key thing and any so called 'truther' who doesn't bother to mention it while charging for dvd's is basically just out to make a quick buck on the back of peoples fears and paranoia. Eg Alex Jones.

Mike wrote:
It's an empty promise.
Take it to the bank & ask them to redeem it for the value it signifies... as the promissory note states it will.

andyh wrote: I've highlighted where you use sensationalism, appeal to emotion and conspiracy jargon, although these are far elaborated on by Conspiracy professionals that you mention.

Space Bandit wrote: That's a stupid thing to do, a bank is not a gold merchant edit: it doesn't sell anything, it has nothing to sell you, it might offer you change or something equivalent to the amount you present?

A bank is a saving deposit utility, they call this high street banking, it gives banks assets which you get a minute share of with interest rates, you go into a bank and withdraw a £20 note which you can use to exchange for anything, how is that an empty promise?
If you buy £20 worth of silver, the person who sold you the silver can go and use that £20 to go buy bread and chicken or put it towards a Berkey water filter, how is it an empty promise?

You can give them an account card for a deposit enter a pin and they give you £20, where is the empty promise, you deposit money, they keep it safe, is that not the purpose of a bank, not to give you the bank tellers jewelry?

Mike wrote:
It doesn't change the fact that everyone on this planet makes monetary decisions every day and those decisions are indeed very much a prime factor in human behaviour.
Be that a conspiracy or not, its irrelevant, the end result which is the madness we see is evident.

Mike wrote:
You miss the point.
Where is the value in the money if there is nothing to back it up?

The only reply you can give is that the value it has is the insane belief that millions of people have

With a physical item of value you don't need belief and of course the money can no longer be tampered with.
Brains are easily messed with, gold/silver is not so easy

People need to eat, sleep, buy cloths, drink water, use electricity, money is not the determining factor, it's the people and the way we treat it.

Money is not the cause of human decisions human decisions and choices are mediated, governed by money, this is a very interesting topic.

andyh wrote: I described the value of money, people sell berkey water filters and survival food packages for money, money that they can use to buy lavish mansions in Texas
It's not a belief that millions wrongly hold in money it's a need for money, now shut up before you take this thread off topic like all the rest.

Mike wrote:
People need to do all sorts of things, question is do they NEED money to do it?

Mike wrote:
The usual shit.
Coming from a so called marxist its absolutely hilarious.

andyh wrote:
Ok so say you stopped being paid to go to work and buy tools and so on and couldn't afford to buy a holiday.
Would you go to work?

andyh wrote: I need money to buy Marxist books, Marx needed Friedrich Engels to pay him money so his family could eat.

Wake up dude, snap out of the Zeitgeist Utopic nonsense you subject me to continuously.

The way it is: we need money.
I am not saying I support the way it is, and I don't think Marx by physically requiring money to write the most damning critique of "the way it is" of his era ( a revolutionary time) supported the way it is.

We need to know the way it is to change it.

Mike wrote:
1) How is it utopia and where is it mentioned that its utopia?
2) Why do you NEED money? Do the animals need money? Do they need pensions? Savings accounts? Credit cards?

Do you NEED your overlords ? lol, you're nowhere near seeing jack shit yet are you? :p

Mike wrote:
The cognitive dissonance is just brilliant.