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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 14:43 #81

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Mikey I'm quite worried, I can see Scotland leaving teh Union and England leaving the EU, the majority in an only English democratic vote would be resoundingly Right Wing :(

I share your concern.
I try to be optimistic.

I would make ann effort to live North of the Scottish border.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 14:45 #82

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mikey mikey wrote:
Mike wrote:
Mikey I'm quite worried, I can see Scotland leaving teh Union and England leaving the EU, the majority in an only English democratic vote would be resoundingly Right Wing :(

I share your concern.
I try to be optimistic.

I would make ann effort to live North of the Scottish border.


Oh I see.... shove the fucker up beside me eh :toetap:



























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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 14:49 #83

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Oh I see.... shove the fucker up beside me eh :toetap:
You assume we're not deporting you immediately after the revolution.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 14:52 #84

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feather wrote:
psketti wrote:
Oh I see.... shove the fucker up beside me eh :toetap:
You assume we're not deporting you immediately after the revolution.
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You can but try :marx:
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 15:32 #85

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Neo-Liberalism hates the EU

The Tory hard right hate the EU

The USA conservatives hate the EU

Monsanto hates the EU
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/ma...-deal-monsanto-crops

I am not saying it is perfect, but i am getting increasingly suspicious of all this EU bashing coming right at the time of financial ambushing from the banks.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 15:41 #86

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Mike wrote:
I was thinking I would just go stay with my family but if you want me closer to you pm me your address :rofl:


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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 18:09 #87

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Mike wrote:
but I can't see how you can be expected to throw out a thousand years of national identity an not expect some opposition
Vizier said this, what is this Thousand years of National Identity some people won't relinquish?

It's a thousand years of being the wealthiest country in the world through THEFT :D

They just want to role back the years of Empire like the Backbenchers in the Tory party, externalize the hierarchy, every britain should have the right to be an international aristocrat! :D
True, but lots of European countries colonized other parts of the world. It's part of our and their history. I imagine that their are Dutch, German, French, Spanish and Portuguese people that look back on their history with a sense of patriotism. The US, without that length of history are always looking back to George Washington et al. It is human nature.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 20:35 #88

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vizier wrote:
It is human nature.

Plenty of flaws in character and errors of judgement could be described as human nature. It does not make them a good idea.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 21:45 #89

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psketti wrote:
feather wrote:
psketti wrote:
Oh I see.... shove the fucker up beside me eh :toetap:
You assume we're not deporting you immediately after the revolution.
:coffee:

Furriner!


:pmsl:


You can but try :marx:

Psst...

I have the co-ordinates of her cave-dwelling. :secret:

Come the revolution!! :villagers:
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 22:35 #90

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Milton Friedman and the lot. Yep.

The UK leads it.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 23:05 #91

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Ab Origine wrote:
psketti wrote:
feather wrote:
psketti wrote:
Oh I see.... shove the fucker up beside me eh :toetap:
You assume we're not deporting you immediately after the revolution.
:coffee:

Furriner!


:pmsl:


You can but try :marx:

Psst...

I have the co-ordinates of her cave-dwelling. :secret:

Come the revolution!! :villagers:


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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 23:56 #92

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I thought page 2 possible page 3 before it went pear shaped.... :coffee:

But page one :killinme: :pop:
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 20 May 2013 23:59 #93

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The EU, & UKIP etc. 21 May 2013 00:00 #94

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The funniest about the UKIP kipper madness right now is summed up be a friend of mine elsewhere
Some Greek rich guy who hates women but supports an ultra-nationalist British party that wants to expel all the foreigners from the Mountains Green? And now he's written a coffee table book picturing women's asses in trousers even though he claims he can't stand women who wear trousers? Have I got that right?

If you don't know the story..

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/17/u...men-hostile-trousers

Utter Fucking Madness
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 21 May 2013 00:15 #95

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mikey mikey wrote:
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It is human nature.

Plenty of flaws in character and errors of judgement could be described as human nature. It does not make them a good idea.

True, but are we talking about a United States of Europe? Do you think even Labour (who I will probably vote for, despite Gromit in charge), are pro that stance?

To clarify, are you arguing that a U S of E would be a good idea?
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 21 May 2013 00:22 #96

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Labour ot tory? Orwell or Huxley? 2 cheeks on the same arse!
Forget yesterday. It has already forgotten you.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 21 May 2013 00:26 #97

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I am not really keen on a united states of Europe at all.

I see the centralisation of power as disenfranchising.

In fact, I would go for as much local power as possible.

OTOH, Europeans as a group share certain ideas such as universal health care, representation in the workplace and anti-Monsanto regulations on foodstuffs.

These things are coming under increasing attack by an even larger United States and the neo liberal elite that would dismanlte the regulation, infrastructure and institutions that are some of the last remaining difference between us and the madness that is the corporatocracy of Koch brothers and the like.
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 21 May 2013 00:29 #98

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I'll bet there are a few former BNP members who have joined the Labour party for example.

Do you have an example of this?

Several...

efp.org.uk/ex-bnp-organiser-now-a-labour-party-candidate/

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From nationalist to marxist, only Phileas Fogg had a more unbelieveable journey!
With all the news of BNP activists, officials and organisers defecting to the English Democrats over the last week – including their former Yorkshire Regional Oraniser Chris Beverley (who will be standing for the ED’s in Leeds), most of the media missed the story of another former BNP organiser defecting to the Labour Party! – blackburnlabour.org/2011-local-elections/your-local-candidates/
Trevor Maxfield, who was once the BNP’s Blackburn with Darwen branch organiser, defected to the Labour Party late last year, and has now been selected by the Labour Party to fight Darwen’s Earcroft ward in the upcoming local council elections!
Maxfield has a long history in right wing/nationalist politics and was associated with Blood and Honour, National Front and Combat 18 before joining the BNP in 2002. He later joined the right wing For Darwen Party (which included many former BNP and England First members) in 2007, and was elected as a councillor to Blackburn with Darwen borough council later that year under their banner.
He quit the For Darwen Party along with another of their councillors – former BNP member Anthony Meleady – in 2010 and sat as an independent for a short while before joining Labour.
However, Maxfield kept up links with his former comrades and was in Southport last year (2010) on July 12th for the annual Loyalist parades, where he met up with England First, BNP, NF and other Loyalists

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jun/14/localgovernment.politics
Ex-BNP councillor switches to Labour

Maureen Stowe, the Burnley councillor who left the British National party in February, has joined Labour in the wake of last week's local government elections.

Ms Stowe was elected as a BNP councillor in Burnley's Brunshaw ward in May 2003 by a margin of just three votes. She was one of eight BNP councillors elected in the former cotton town in a result that sent shockwaves across Britain, but never formally joined the party.

She broke her links with the BNP in February to become an independent councillor after declaring: "I've never been a racist." She spoke out openly against the party in the run-up to last Thursday's local and European elections, saying she had been conned into becoming a BNP councillor, "like most people who voted for me, by believing their lies".

Ms Stowe said she joined the Labour party on Friday in the aftermath of the elections, which saw Labour losing the council to no overall control. The party lost two seats to the Liberal Democrats and one to the BNP, which unseated long-serving Labour councillor and major-elect John Harbour.

"I have joined Labour because I felt there had been an injustice when I was with the BNP and I want to make that right and be part of building Burnley back up to what it should be," Ms Stowe said.

She paid tribute to Mr Harbour, whose loss of his seat was "really sad - he'd worked so hard for 14 years on the council".

Ms Stowe added: "I chose Labour because I think they've done a good job in Burnley. [Council leader] Stuart Caddy and his team have worked hard and listened to people from last year: they got the wake-up call when the BNP got in."
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The EU, & UKIP etc. 21 May 2013 00:44 #99

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I have another example

Story of
Tuesday, May 21 2013
Former Iain Duncan Smith campaign aide Edgar Griffin was today expelled from the Conservative Party because of his links with the British National Party.

The Tories acting chairman David Prior made the announcement this morning, after Mr Duncan Smith sacked Mr Griffin from his campaign team following revelations of his associations with the far-right party.

Mr Griffin is the father of BNP leader Nick Griffin and his wife stood as a BNP candidate at the last election. Edgar Griffin also answered the far-right party's "hotline".


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-68431/A...P.html#ixzz2TsbbGrPy
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How long do you think IDS knew?

Since forever, perhaps?

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The EU, & UKIP etc. 21 May 2013 03:45 #100

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Mike wrote:
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mikey mikey wrote:
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It is human nature.

Plenty of flaws in character and errors of judgement could be described as human nature. It does not make them a good idea.

True, but are we talking about a United States of Europe? Do you think even Labour (who I will probably vote for, despite Gromit in charge), are pro that stance?

To clarify, are you arguing that a U S of E would be a good idea?
What's the opposite to a USE? A divided State's of Europe?
You brought up Human nature etc, surely the existence of Unions the world over demonstrate political union is part of human progress?
Yes. I'm well into Unions and have been a member of a few over the years. msf and cwu.
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