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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 11 Jun 2013 16:03 #41

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After the sinking of the Belgrano, the Argentinian fleet pretty much hid for rest of the conflict. Fortunate for RN, as this allowed their fleet to operate with a lot less hassle than they would have had.
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 11 Jun 2013 17:13 #42

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Cheers sb but I don't think that's the one. I learnt about it from a book I still have. May have to try and dig it out to get the details.
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 11 Jun 2013 17:15 #43

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If you really want o know Dubs, I have Admirals and many other contacts I can ask :)
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 11 Jun 2013 17:20 #44

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Ta jhads, don't sweat it bud if you do you do and that'll be great but I can try find that book.
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 11 Jun 2013 18:28 #45

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Ta jhads, don't sweat it bud if you do you do and that'll be great but I can try find that book.

Most the high rankers I know are bitter Falkland veterans who saw the set-up coming
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 11 Jun 2013 19:11 #46

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Cheers sb but I don't think that's the one. I learnt about it from a book I still have. May have to try and dig it out to get the details.

I'm intrigued..... let me know if you find it, I like Falklands war related stuff.

There was this...

Britain was offering to sell arms to the Argentinian dictatorship just three days before the invasion of the Falkland Islands, newly released documents in the National Archive show. The British ambassador in Buenos Aires sent a telegram to the Ministry of Defence in London on 29 March 1982 saying that the Argentine air force had an "interest in acquiring extra squadron bombers". Ambassador Anthony Williams planned to meet the head of the Argentine air force the "next week" to discuss the sale.

The subject of that meeting – obviously cancelled when Argentina invaded the islands on 2 April – was the sale of Canberra jet bombers and the refurbishment of other bombers that Britain had previously sold to the regime. "BAe [British Aerospace] is committed to making a proposal [to refurbish the planes] … if all goes well here BAe could move further up the class in time," Ambassador Williams wrote.

The documents show that British arms sales to Argentina's junta, notorious for its abuses of human rights, jumped after Margaret Thatcher came to power. Arms sales rose from £4.9m in 1978 to £62.6m in 1979; £46.7m in 1980 and £12.5m in 1981. Margaret Thatcher's government oversaw the delivery of two Lynx helicopters in 1979 and a Type-42 destroyer in 1980, contracts that had been agreed by the previous Labour government. Both the helicopters and the destroyer were used in the invasion of the Falklands.

The Thatcher government also sold 22 Sea Dart surface-to-air missiles, radar spares, war support equipment for radar, laser rangefinder equipment, and mountings to attach heavy weapons to armoured personnel carriers. Robin Fearn, the head of the Foreign Office's South American Department, when approving the mountings in March 1981, wrote: "Armoured personnel vehicles have clear implications for human rights and we might be criticised if we were to be involved at any stage in their construction or armament. It is, however, unlikely that our involvement would ever become known."

The government continued to sell naval spares to the regime, headed by General Leopoldo Galtieri, until 12 days before the invasion on 2 April 1982. Lord Carrington, Foreign Secretary in the Thatcher government, resigned on 5 April 1982.

Contracts for a further eight Lynx Westland helicopters, an infra-red Linescan airborne surveillance system, and two Canberra aircraft were approved by Mrs Thatcher's ministers but delivery of these were cancelled after the invasion of the Falklands. However, just two weeks before the invasion, the Foreign Office was still planning to go ahead with the sale of the warplanes, one official writing: "It would seem inappropriate to supply medium bombers which could be deployed against the Falklands. However:

1) As the Argentines already have many suitable aircraft including 15 Canberras, another few would make no real difference to the capability; 2) Refusal to carry on selling previously approved equipment would call into question our reliability as an arms supplier with resulting damage not only to other sales prospects in Argentina but also elsewhere;

3) Political damage such a policy would have on Anglo-Argentine relations."

In early 1982, ministers also agreed to the sale of Rolls-Royce engines, as well as combustion air filters, exhaust silencers, gas turbine control equipment, window wipers, and gears for four German-made frigates for the Argentinian navy. Work was suspended during the conflict, but the government gave approval for the contract to be fulfilled after the end of the war.

In all, Labour and Conservative governments in the 1970s and early 1980s sold Argentina: two Type 42 destroyers; eight Canberra bombers; two Lynx helicopters; 135 Tigercat surface-to-air missiles; 44 Sea Cat surface-to-air missiles; 44 Sea Dart surface-to-air missiles; a Blowpipe anti-aircraft missile system with 120 surface-to-air-missiles; five Skyvan aircraft; one HS125 transport aircraft; 370 army vehicle radios; as well as electronic warfare equipment; a Laser Rangefinder; "Marksman" gunnery trainers; ejector seats; periscopes; and ammunition.

In 1980-81, Mrs Thatcher's ministers also approved licences to sell the Argentinian military: a Vickers battle tank; a Stingray lightweight torpedo; spares for Browning machineguns; a shipborne torpedo launching system; Centaur half-track Land Rovers; a Vulcan bomber; and participation in a TNT factory. These deals only fell through when the Argentinians went with alternative suppliers.

Research by the Jubilee Debt Campaign shows that many of these arms sales were funded by British government loans and are part of the £45m debt that the current Argentinian government still owes to Britain.

The junta was responsible for the "disappearance" of an estimated 30,000 of its citizens. Opponents of the regime were tortured and killed and many of their bodies were dropped into the sea by Argentina's air force. Pregnant prisoners were killed after giving birth and their babies given to military families, a tragedy which has rocked Argentina in recent years as those children reach adulthood.

Mrs Thatcher's political fortunes were transformed when she recovered the Falklands. Some 255 British soldiers; 649 Argentinians and three civilians died in the 74-day conflict.
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 11 Jun 2013 21:37 #47

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Cheers sb, for the moment best stick it on the shelf cos I can't back it up till I find that book. Things are all stowed away.
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 30 Jun 2013 11:16 #48

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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 03 Jul 2013 12:42 #49

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Can't really avoid mentioning Libya and Syria.
Those norty Al Qaeda puppets were and are deeply involved in the 'rebellions' in both countries. And yet in both cases, the states of various countries have given aid to those 'rebels'.
Namely, they have supported known 'terrorists' using tax payers wonga. It started with non military aid and has now moved to providing lethal aid.

Even the MSM report Al Qaeda's strong presence:

Syria:
abcnews.go.com/International/hezbollah-a...9144119#.UdQYsdjLKnI
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/..._Feed&utm_medium=RSS
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22095099

Just a very small sample

The same took place in Libya where they took massive advantage of the "no fly zone"

Ofc, now Syria is replete with many of the same 'rebels' as were in Libya....


So....it's very uncool for the people to do anything which could be even vaguely construed as supporting terrorists but it's ok for States to do it...
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 03 Jul 2013 17:58 #50

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I don't agree with the first 15 seconds of this video, but the rest of it is pretty good:



Part two is here:

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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 04 Sep 2013 20:12 #51

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As we're on recent sleaze and hypocrisy ;) how about one which goes to the heart of the nation across generations and has the requisite corruption and sundry other disgraces?

The treason that was and is Hillsborough...


Cunts.


Just came across this from a few days ago...


Hillsborough police paid money found among the dead into force’s coffers

The police force accused of covering up Britain’s worst-ever sporting disaster profited from the tragedy by keeping money found among the dead and dying at Hillsborough, The Independent can reveal.

South Yorkshire Police (SYP), the force whose officers falsely accused Liverpool fans of robbing from the dead at Hillsborough, held on to cash from the ground for almost three years before deciding to bank it – rather than donate the money to the disaster fund set up to help victims of the tragedy.

The revelation, in documents released by the Hillsborough Independent Panel, prompted an angry response from campaigners on Sunday night, with SYP’s actions branded “an absolute disgrace” and “beyond belief”.

A memorandum dated January 1992 details personal possessions which had been recovered from the disaster, where the owners were not known. It reveals that while officers were cautious about destroying clothing, they showed few reservations when it came to the loose change. Cash totalling £14.53 was part of the inventory and a recommendation to “pay this into the finance department” was agreed without reservation.

The news comes after it emerged last month that the force attempted to get thousands of pounds from the disaster fund to pay for gym equipment, microwaves and a holiday home.

Sheila Coleman, from the Hillsborough Justice Campaign, said: “That the force responsible for the deaths of 96 people kept some of the money found at Hillsborough is beyond belief. The fact that they decided to keep it, and not even consider donating it to the disaster fund, speaks volumes as to the mind-set of the South Yorkshire Police and their contempt for Liverpool football fans and their friends and families.”

And Margaret Aspinall, chair of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, whose son, James, 18, was among the victims, said: “This is an absolute disgrace and very ironic, when they were accusing the fans of robbing the dead. I just find that rather appalling.”

An SYP spokeswoman stressed that the cash was banked “in accordance with the policy operating at that time” and that “unclaimed monies should have been placed into the Police Property Act Fund maintained by the then police authority which would then have been available for payment towards such charitable purposes as the authority might determine.”

She added: “South Yorkshire Police are unable to comment on how these particular monies may have been dealt with, as financial records from that time do not exist.

“Whilst there is no reason to believe the proper processes were not followed, any further investigation of the circumstances in which this sum was recovered and applied would fall to be addressed, if at all, by the IPCC [Independent Police Complaints Commission] as part of its ongoing investigation.”

It has also emerged that within weeks of the tragedy, in which 96 died and hundreds more were injured, police officers were encouraged to try and get compensation from a fund created for the victims.

In a letter to Sir Peter Wright, then chief constable, in June 1989, Paul Middup, secretary of the Police Federation’s South Yorkshire branch, stated: “I see no reason why our officers should not claim from the Hillsborough one,” and asked him to bring the matter to “everyone’s notice” through force orders.

Although the chief constable decided against doing this, he agreed to help by getting a force welfare officer to contact individual officers “about their rights in this regard” according to a file note by former deputy chief constable Peter Hayes [Feb 1990].


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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 04 Sep 2013 20:30 #52

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They followed correct procedure!!!! :facepalm:

Fucking wankers :mad: A great example of how corrupt the system is...
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the sleaze and establishment hypocrisy thread 04 Sep 2013 22:16 #53

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knobmeup wrote:
As we're on recent sleaze and hypocrisy ;) how about one which goes to the heart of the nation across generations and has the requisite corruption and sundry other disgraces?The treason that was and is Hillsborough...Cunts.
Just came across this from a few days ago...
Hillsborough police paid money found among the dead into force’s coffers

The police force accused of covering up Britain’s worst-ever sporting disaster profited from the tragedy by keeping money found among the dead and dying at Hillsborough, The Independent can reveal.

South Yorkshire Police (SYP), the force whose officers falsely accused Liverpool fans of robbing from the dead at Hillsborough, held on to cash from the ground for almost three years before deciding to bank it – rather than donate the money to the disaster fund set up to help victims of the tragedy.
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