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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 00:05 #1

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I keep seeing articles on the web about China investing billions in the UK,Africa,Ukraine and other countries.

So how does this strange game work they call capitalism?

Which currency will China be using,how have China amassed so much currency to make these politicians pout and gyrate their little booty's.

Isn't fiat currency worthless in reality,so what are the politicians really obtaining from China.
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 09:31 #2

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Andy will be along shortly to explain.......
In the meantime.....China has been quietly taking over the world and we have reached a tipping point....the yellow man will rule the world. :(
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 10:04 #3

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humanspirit wrote:
I keep seeing articles on the web about China investing billions in the UK,Africa,Ukraine and other countries.

So how does this strange game work they call capitalism?
A few people own the means of production and 'employ' others to do the producing. As opposed to the producers owning the means of production.
In current form it works hand in hand with the same owners/capitalists owning the system of monetary exchange.
Which currency will China be using,how have China amassed so much currency to make these politicians pout and gyrate their little booty's.
They may well dump any currency they have reserves of that they deem not such good bets nowadays. Perhaps the dollar?
The capitalists outsourced the meqns of production to China to maximise profit. Bearing in mind they also own the infrastructure to transport goods and the means to fuel said transport.
Isn't fiat currency worthless in reality,so what are the politicians really obtaining from China.
Correct but the illusion of fiat gives the ability to control real wealth. Chinese investment helps countries avoid adding to their debt pile which helps them keep the game going a bit longer. The game being idealogical institutional theft.
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 10:48 #4

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That's what I wanted to say....but hadn't had my second brew! :D
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China’s economy will soon be the world’s dominating economy and it’s natural that other economies would want to trade in yuan, not in US dollars, Daniel Wagner, CEO at Country Risk Solutions, told RT.

RT: How big of a victory is it for China that its currency has become the second-most used currency in the world, now ahead of the euro. Do you think it will continue growing in popularity?

Daniel Wagner: If you consider that the Chinese government has only allowed a lot of trade, finance with the outside world since 2009 then its status as the No. 2 currency used for global trade finance is very significant, as it's happened in a very short period of time. The reason that it has happened is, as you know, China as the second-largest economy has the largest foreign exchange reserves in the world and certainly is becoming a global power. So this is consistent with its rise to that global power status.

RT: What are the main reasons behind the yuan's growing popularity?

DW: If you consider that China accounts just for just about 15 percent of global trade, then it’s really not surprising that the Chinese government would want to embark in more bilateral trading arrangements that use yuan and that many of its trading partners would also want to do the same. You take governments such as the UK and Singapore, which are doing this on a direct basis, you look at the European Central Bank which has a swap arrangement with China’s central bank, and it seems to be becoming certainly more commonplace that major players in the world economy want to trade directly with the Chinese.

RT: Even as the second most used currency, the yuan is used in only 8 percent of global financial exchanges, while the dollar is used in 81 percent. Do you think the dollar could ever lose its status as the main reserve currency?

DW: The dollar is not going to be under threat anytime soon, taking 81 percent of the global payments system. [Neither] the yuan [or] any other currency do not represent any kind of threat, even a medium-term threat. I think what is likely to happen is that the yuan is going to take a more significant chunk of the global payments pie in due course, but this is probably going to happen sooner than most people think. I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end of this decade the yuan is accounting for 15 percent or 20 percent of all global payments. It’ll certainly happen on a very rapid basis.

RT: China's currently reforming its economic policy to become less dependent on the US dollar – can you tell us about the steps they are taking?

DW: The Chinese government has made it clear that it would like to be less reliant on the US dollar-based trade and in that regard it has talked about making its capital accounts fully convertible by 2015. It is also gradually broadening the band that the yuan is allowed to trade in and that has made the yuan even stronger. It has appreciated some 26 percent since it was first linked to the US dollar in 2005, it’s now approaching 6.0000 to the dollar [it was 6.3000-6.3100 range Monday as trading in the market has been really balanced recently - RT], it used to be around 8.3000 – that’s a very significant increase in a rather short period of time. So I think most people realize that this is China’s century, China’s economy will soon be the dominating economy in the world and it’s a natural link that economies would want to trade in yuan. And the Chinese are going to approve of that.

RT: During the US government's shutdown – when there were fears of America's possible default – China called for the so-called de-Americanization of the world economy. How can it be achieved?

DW: China is not going to achieve the de-Americanization of the world economy by itself, and that’s not going to happen because regardless all of the things that have happened in America in the last five years, the US dollar is still the world’s reserve currency, it is still a destination where most individuals, many countries, many companies prefer to park their assets. I don’t think that it’s a concern for the US economy anytime soon.

I would characterize the idea of de-Americanization of the global economy as a wishful thought on the part of the Chinese government. Perhaps they are having some delusions of grandeur, but if we simply look at the numbers, this is not going to happen anytime soon, there is no threat that’s going to happen. No matter how much the Chinese government may want it to happen, that is simply not going to happen. The yuan, first, must become fully convertible on a capital account, and that’s unlikely to happen until 2015, and the yuan must take an even more significant portion of the global payments system before any concept of the de-Americanization of the global economic system is going to happen. It will be many, many years from now.

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

rt.com/op-edge/chinese-yuan-gain-power-713/

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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 13:48 #6

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angelchemuel wrote:
....the yellow man will rule the world. :(
:jane:

:nono:

The colour isn't a consistent thing when it comes to world rulers so isn't an indicative quality, that between his legs however...... maybe.
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 14:28 #7

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oioioi wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
....the yellow man will rule the world. :(
:jane:

:nono:

The colour isn't a consistent thing when it comes to world rulers so isn't an indicative quality, that between his legs however...... maybe.

From my own personal perspective and position in the pyramid scheme it doesn't really matter what colour the overlord is who has the whip hand.

My fellow Europeans have held the whip for many generations and haven't been to magnanimous.
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 14:36 #8

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oioioi wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
....the yellow man will rule the world. :(
:jane:

:nono:

The colour isn't a consistent thing when it comes to world rulers so isn't an indicative quality, that between his legs however...... maybe.

It's a saying from the 1800.....nowt to do with me. My great great grandmother obviously knew sommat was up....and she wasn't the only one from that era. I have re-iterated this story many a time here on the forum.
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 14:43 #9

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Yeah but it's still bs jane.
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We'll see :)
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angelchemuel wrote:

It's a saying from the 1800.....

Quite.

For what it's worth I've been saying for years to keep an eye on the Chinese state, never had to use any 19th century bigotry to make the point though. :dunno:
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 07 Dec 2013 20:57 #12

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China has been built up by the same Cleptocracy that runs the west.

"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.– David Rockefeller"
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Empire and economic dominance are established on the backs of slaves.

Egyptian, Roman, British, American, Chinese and on and on.

One leaps in front of the other when one concedes to the demands of workers for fairer pay and conditions and the other rejects those demands and continues profiteering from the misery, fear and dependence.
The west is currently attempting to turn back the clock in terms of pay and conditions. That is all that is happening now, call it austerity measures, or whatever other bs term, but we're deliberately going backwards by design.
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Investing and this capitalism malarkey 08 Dec 2013 06:21 #14

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oioioi wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:

It's a saying from the 1800.....

Quite.

For what it's worth I've been saying for years to keep an eye on the Chinese state, never had to use any 19th century bigotry to make the point though. :dunno:

I've even slept on your comment oi...and I'm sorry but I still feel hurt that you seem to think I am some sort of bigot. Those that know me know this is far from the truth. And please try and remember when things like this were said way back then they weren't considered bigotry either.
Just take a look how our language has evolved
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I think oi's point may be that they are considered bigotted nowadays jane. Therefore their use could be said to be at best unwise. Especially by non bigotted folk.
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