Why would a demon want you, they are in a realm of their own, what could possibly interest them here, so if someone asks me about a demon, I tell them it may be a friend or relative trying to contact them, even in episodes of sleep paralysis.
In my opinion a night terror, or a demonic presence you feel, may not always be a bad thing

In my opinion the line between good and evil is not well defined in the other dimensions.

I've often wondered about this re Sketti and her liking for man-flesh, Rick. You should have seen her in chat last night...

On a serious note, you make a very good point regarding 'good' and 'evil' being subjective things. If you believe that there are such things as alternate/parallel dimensions, then you must also concede that our ideas of positive and negative vary wildly right here in our own dimension, dependent on where you are geographically, what period of time/religion you were born in to, for example.

Imo, the line between good and evil is not particularly well defined in THIS dimension, either.

I shall ponder this further. Thanks.

Ab Origine wrote:
example of definition of modern day evil by people who believe in demons..........

{Exorcism is only accepted in only the most harsh of case, in other situations it's usually labeled as a medical, or a mental condition, or the person is acting out faking it for attention.}

So why would a person who never had a history of violent behavior, all of a sudden commit a violent act, something triggered their mind, but they don't know for sure really what the breaking point was it a different thought process took over the persons mind, or it was something in them.

That finally made them reach their breaking point

Aren't demons meant to be 'fallen angels', with the purpose of their existence (allegedly) being to lead people onto the path of unholiness?

My mum practised mediumship for a few years, and she always said that, just as there are people in this dimension who are basically good, ones who are mischievous trouble-makers, and ones who are malevolent, the same applies in the spirit world.

The one time I saw one of those dark figures I got the impression it was just curious about what I was doing. It was when I was performing some witchcraft (ritual & spell-casting) at the request of a neighbour who was struggling financially, to help them get a more highly paid job. Perhaps 'it' (for want of a more appropriate pronoun) assisted.

Gilly wrote:
When we dream how many of us remember this awake world, we get completely involved in the dream, no matter how strange or weird we feel it to be real.

One of the main thing's I wonder about is if everyone, some, or none of us remember the last consciousness we were in, or maybe when the next awareness becomes so real we may be able to get flashbacks of the past more physical awareness .

This is not incomprehensible because we are not solid now, but actually a floating mass of energy particles, question is can our particles of energy be controlled or communicated with from a entity of another realm.

I'm interested in such things as this, Rick, but I don't know the answers.

I wish having good dreams was something i could do every single night.

treato.com/Melatonin,Sleep+Paralysis/?a=s

^Taking Melatonin caused others sleep paralysis also it seems...

Gilly wrote:
This information may interest you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heka_%28god%29

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_soul

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_book_of_the_dead

The ancients took life after this seriously and not a end, more of a journey in my opinion, I'm not saying this is correct or true Gilly just some interesting concepts to read about, and visualize how they thought

Yes, I've read a lot of this stuff - thanks for the links. It's always fascinating to contemplate. There's a school of thought which believes the number one goal of Christianity's introduction was to trick people into not realising the truth of reincarnation.

I'm undecided as to what I believe (except that I do think the 'self' goes on existing after physical death).

Gilly wrote:
I believe that also Gilly

The full exorcism when performed, I didn't realize it was this detailed
Link..
www.trosch.org/chu/exorcism.htm

Gilly wrote:
I think this is accurate. 'Behaviour', therefore, is very much dependent on your definition of 'self', imo. For example, just because something may appear as discarnate to our senses, doesn't mean 'it' isn't capable of thought and malevolence, as are we. I've never really understood why this is such a huge leap for some people.

As Rick also pointed out, we really aren't that far off, the main difference being the atoms that comprise 'us' are a little more tightly bound together. I like to think of dimensions and spirit in terms of an onion. Just because one layer dies and falls away, doesn't mean that the onion ceases to exist. I don't think anything really ever ceases, until 'it' decides to change what 'it' is, perhaps. Even then...

Ab Origine wrote:
Here's a good one for you to think about ...............
If there wasn't a physical reality, how could existence be defined, there would have to be some point of reference for a energy, or a being to have thought right, the total absence of everything can't be possible or if it is possible what would nothing be like?

Rick wrote:

Rick wrote:
Some would argue that this is the very point of our little pantomime here on Earth, Rick.

Ab Origine wrote:
Allowing in your mind the acceptance of a thought from a force of creation or creator which ever you believe, when there was nothingness in the universe, that is reason in itself to know that non physical realms can and do exist, and can create, influence, and possibly have some control over a realm like ours

Basically a non physical thought of creation took place, before a physical chain reaction, it had to have imo

I agree.

I also think at some level we are all still aware of this, though at a certain point in our collective history, efforts where made to encourage a 'forgetting' of this, let's face it, quite obvious facet of our existence.

It gets really interesting when you start to consider "why"?

Ab Origine wrote:
I like the onion analogy - it reminds me also, of the subtle body diagram...

www.crystalhealinglight.co.uk/Chakras_%26_Subtle_Bodies.html

@ Rick - some of your thoughts here remind me of the story of the Chinese philosopher who dreamt he was a butterfly each night, till he wasn't sure if he was a Chinese philosopher dreaming he was a butterfly, or a butterfly, dreaming he was a Chinese philosopher, as both states were equally real.

PS Liking the new Tweedle avatar.

It's much more comfortable for people to be happy in the physical, and the love of modern day idol's, celebrity worship, gaudy jewelry, and random sex, thinking in terms of being a cosmic being is not that easy for us humans, maybe we need another ten thousand years of evolving.

But most likely in my opinion, we will destroy ourselves before awareness of what we really are sinks in, maybe a few individual's will attain this enlightenment but not many, and most people will always just be in the physical in their mind and actions

Gilly wrote:
Demon is a corruption of the pre-christian word Daemon, meaning benevolent or sometimes mischevious spirit.
the modern day christian idea of demons as evil entities really began in the early middle ages and like the rest of modern christianity is twisted and corrupted from it's original form.

I've to disagree with you re the destroying ourselves bit, Rick. I think we've done this all before, many, many times and will continue to do so.

If only for the pure thrill of being something other than "we" ordinarily are (not that we are actually ever 'not' anything and everything all at the same time).

I'm starting to confuse myself now...