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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 18:33 #1

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/105917...against-slavery.html
Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery

The Work and Pensions Secretary likens "historic mission" of welfare reform to Wilberforce's campaign against the slave trade

Iain Duncan Smith has compared his welfare reforms to the struggle to end slavery.

Changes to the benefits system are part of a "historic mission" to help people “break free” like William Wilberforce’s campaign to end the slave trade, the Work and Pensions Secretary said.

Mr Duncan Smith said people should stop “disapproving” of people on benefits, whom he terms “our fellow citizens”, and instead blame politicians for creating a failing welfare system that traps people on benefits.

The current benefits system encourages people to turn to crime and the cash-in-hand economy because they are penalised for earning money legitimately, he said.

But he indicated the Government is preparing a crackdown on in-work tax credits, which cost £170bn between 2003 and 2010, saying some families spend the extra money on drink and drugs while their children go unfed.

Britain can only be "great again" if welfare is reformed so that people move into work and take part in the recovery. It will "rekindle pride in communities" as people see their neighbours "thrive", he added.

Mr Duncan Smith said his reforms were part of the Tories' “historic mission” in the tradition of William Wilberforce, who helped bring about the end of the slave trade, and Lord Shaftesbury, who brought in Victorian factory laws to protect women and children.

“Reform, often overused, is in reality about transformation and life change, improving people’s lives through the choices they make: a journey from dependence to independence.

“As Conservatives, that is part of our Party’s historic mission. Just look at Wilberforce and Shaftesbury: to put hope back where it has gone, to give people from chaotic lives security through hard work, helping families improve the quality of their own lives.”

He went on: “Shaftesbury and Wilberforce were people who faced a massive problem, a social problem, and saw only the need to change it, and embarked on that change against the vested interests and accepted wisdom of their age, and the results you can see were massive and transformational.”
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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 18:44 #2

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i dont even know where to start....
Sometimes, if you stand on the bottom rail of a bridge and lean over to watch the river slipping slowly away beneath you, you will suddenly know everything there is to be known.

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Re:Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 18:56 #3

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IDS does come out with some odd things! :D
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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 18:57 #4

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What a tit.

Same as you thor, where to begin?

I'll just say this:

My children don't go without becuse I am one of the many families who don't spend tax credits on drink and drugs. I take it they'll now be going without as you take food directly out of their mouths?

I wonder, has he been advised to hire any extra body guards?
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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 19:10 #5

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It's not entirely inaccurate. Wilberforce was trying to end slavery, the Tories are successfully reintroducing it.
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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 19:21 #6

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@rizla - not bodyguards water cannons : :mad: :mad:

the sad thing is in some respects ids is right in that benefits do trap people - particularly those in receipt of housing benefit which is twofold - firstly the cost of housing and secondly that social housing tends to be an entire street or estate and private landlords are increasingly refusing to rent to those on benefits.

The biggest recipients of welfare money other then landlords are private businesses whose employees have tax credits merely to survive.

day in day out we deal with people at the shitty end of the reform stick and it is heartbreaking, we cannot retain staff as for many the situation is too much to bare.

Talking to one lady who has worked as an adviser and advocate for 20 odd tears she said 'in the late 80's and through the 90's we had a sense that we could actually help people - that if they were homeless we could get them rehoused, if they were in debt we could help them learn budgeting skills and prioritise spending. nowadays there are no homes for these people to go to, there are no emergency hospital beds for the mentally ill and people are coming to us who are budgeting perfectly well but are just not having enough coming in to pay the very basics'
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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 19:51 #7

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Arbeit macht frei

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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 20:09 #8

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He really is the most despicable snidey bastard.
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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 20:14 #9

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Britain can only be "great again"....

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Re:Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 23 Jan 2014 23:05 #10

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If they wanted us to be free then they would end parliament.
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Re:Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 24 Jan 2014 00:09 #11

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andyh wrote:
If they wanted us to be free then they would end parliament.

It's not just "they" that can do that. ;)
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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 24 Jan 2014 00:09 #12

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Iain Duncan Smith: welfare reform is like struggle against slavery 24 Jan 2014 05:40 #13

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I can confirm that being on benefits does trap people. Once you have the 'gateway benefits' (like Income Support and Housing Benefit) other benefits follow e.g. free prescriptions, free eye tests, dental treatment, free school meals the list goes on. In getting a low paid job, you may be entitled to some help with some of the above, but that help very quickly tapers off, as does the 'in work benefits' if you earn a little overtime. Also, going out to work costs money (daft but true), travelling expenses, meals at work, decent clothes, shoes etc all things that have to be considered by the jobseeker. Then there are childcare costs. These are just a few scary details that the long term unemployed have to deal with. Help should be available for them, sadly, it isn't!

Nor is there help (or sufficient properties) for the people hit by the bedroom tax. Nor is there help for the long term sick/disabled who have been found fit to work.

No IDS, you're welfare reforms create hardship, not release from the poverty trap.
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