If the UKIP is one issue party (i.e. out oof the EU) , then why is it proposing singling out Muslims (immigrant or British) to sign a declaration rejecting violence?

How is that getting is out of the EU?

Most Muslims coming into the country do not even come from the EU!

What happens, if they refuse?

Are British Muslim citizens to face consequences, if they refuse on the principal that they are being singled out?

What sort of consequences?

Verlander wrote:


I heard about that, just what they expect to improve or change with that silly law I've no idea.
Next up they'll make it illegal to spoil your vote

mikey mikey wrote:
Its like asking the scots why they want independence.
You'll get a load of nationalist fervour in reply and very little that actually makes sense.
The one positive I can think of is not having to put up with uk parties anymore but we all know they'll just setup copy ones with the same agenda there anyway.

I mean, since when can anyone vote for these guys- libertarianpartyuk.com/

mikey mikey wrote:
So far as I am aware it is not UKIP party policy - as opposed to the view of an individual UKIP member.

Every party has its loonies - including the Tory councillor who was waving a gun about in London the other day.... but there was very little publicity about that! Farage spoke on TV recently about the undue prominence given to 'his' loonies as opposed to those in other parties.

Without a doubt the main parties are running very scared of UKIP (especially the Tories)!

Verlander wrote:

Reading this thread and some of their proposals, the main parties shouldn't be the only ones running scared from them.

psketti wrote:
UKIP are simply not libertarian, just tories with a single stronger agenda.
libertarianpartyuk.com/
^That I could vote for, never seen them on a ballot sheet though.

Every Party has it's loonies indeed but UKIP seems to have more than its fair share

Let's see:

"Gay weather" David Silvester (UKIP)
"Jews gassed themselves in the Holocaust" Anna-Marie Crampton (UKIP)
"Bongo Bongo Land" Godfrey Bloom (UKIP)

And now this
Tom Bursnall (UKIP)

and
Alexandra Swann (UKIP)

juniusonukip.blogspot.it/2012/04/ukip-al...nd-tom-bursnall.html

Put simply: unemployed to be denied the vote

Mental

And there are loads more!

UKIP have only one real policy: get Britain out of the EU.

The rest is just padding and to show they are a full-blown party!

Actually Alexandra Swann is right lol..but she's not talking about the tax dodging elite.
The irony is that the unemployed do contribute, they simply spend their benefits back into the economy and all the money they have, whereas the elite hoard it all....

It is said the top 1% pay 30% of the tax bill - so it could be presented that the top 1% actually shoulder the entire benefits bill!

Verlander wrote:
What a load of bollocks lol!!

The top 1% are not PAYE employees ffs lol.

Cameron, at PM's questions, is always keen to emphasise the "top 1% pay 30% of the total tax bill" figure. He's not been challenged on this, so I assume it comes from a reputable source.

.... couldn't resist... andys coming right at it

www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article40250.html

32 trillion in untaxed offshore accounts.

The top 1% are not counted because they are self employed directors with minimal income for tax purposes.

The bill is footed by PAYE workers who are all on under a million per annum with the exception of perhaps a few football players daft enough to earn more than that on PAYE.

Well you'd better tell all the party leaders this..... because nobody has challenged the figure!

I personally have no idea how it is calculated.

I was just saying: it is only a small step to saying that the top 1% (which is about 500,000 adults? Not a small number anyway) carry the entire benefits bill. I'm surprised it hasn't already been said. Lol!

Verlander wrote:
Its calculated by those REGISTERED to pay tax. Do you get it now?
Thats why hes not been challenged on it because technically the figures are accurate.

Verlander wrote:
Some "padding"


And here is Steve Moxon (UKIP at the time) writing about the mass murdering Norwegian Anders Beivik

www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/20...fice-beverley-hughes

And I have plenty more examples of lunacy amongst the UKIP.

If this is a one-issue party, what will they do once voted in to power? Just stand down once they take us out of the EU?

Like fk they would.

andyh wrote:
Obviously it does not include people living in Easter Island!

And doesn't include non-doms living here either. If everyone paid what they morally should, the top 1% would be paying 50% of the tax bill for all we know. But the tax system is run on law not morals.

The richer you are the more worthwhile it is to (legally) avoid tax. Friend of mine is a top tax accountant who spends his life advising billionaires how to pay very little tax indeed. The main device is to get yourself accepted as non-dom.

Verlander wrote:
Well lets say a fair chunk of the 32 trillion in the caymans is comprised of americans and brits mostly.
Shall we say 20 trillion and lets assume that 13 trillion are rich americans and 7 trillion brits.

That would infer that the UK is missing out on 40% tax rate on 7 trillion dollars. That wouldn't just pay 50% of the tax bill...it would pay for the entire tax bill for the next few fucking decades lol....

mikey mikey wrote:
There is near-zero chance of them winning a single seat at Westminster in 2015 - even Farage tacitly acknowleges that. The first past the post system precludes that.

I believe what they are hoping is that a good result in the Euro and council elections will scare the other parties into a referendum.