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MH370 Found 29 Apr 2014 20:06 #1

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An Australian company believes it may have found the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the Bay of Bengal - 5000 kilometres from the official search area.

Adelaide-based GeoResonance said it used images from satellites and aircraft to survey an area of more than 2 million square kilometres where the plane with 239 people on board may have crashed.

It said it had found elements on the ocean floor consistent with material from a plane, Channel 7 television reported.
"We identified chemical elements and materials that make up a Boeing 777 ... these are aluminium, titanium, copper, steel alloys and other materials," company representative Pavel Kursa said.

Images from the same area taken on March 5, three days before the plane disappeared, showed no indication of the aircraft, David Pope, another company representative, said.

GeoResonance started its search on March 10 and sent an initial report to search authorities when the missing plane's black box still had two weeks of battery power, Channel 7 said.

Pope said the technology used by GeoResonance was designed to find nuclear warheads and submarines.

"Our team was very excited when we found what we believe to be the wreckage of a commercial airliner," he said.

"We're not trying to say that it definitely is MH370, however it is a lead we feel should be followed up."

Channel 7 said it tried to contact search officials about the company's findings but was unable to get a response.

www.smh.com.au/world/australian-company-...-20140430-zr1l1.html

Geo Resonance reported their findings on the 15th of April. Channel 7 only broke this news 3 day's ago. The 27th.
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They had two weeks to investigate the area before the black box signal ran out. but did nothing?

It wouldn't be to hard to pay for a private firm to check that area??
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MH370 Found 29 Apr 2014 20:22 #2

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Earlier, the former Prime Minister of Malaysia, Dr Mahathir Mohamad, questioned whether MH370 had even crashed into the Indian Ocean - and he blamed manufacturer Boeing for its fate.

He also suggested the reason passengers and crew did not act to stop whatever was happening on the Boeing 777 aircraft after it had taken off from Kuala Lumpur was because they were 'somehow incapacitated.'

In an opinion piece, Dr Mahathir, who maintains a strong influence in Malaysia's ruling party, said there was no chance, as had been suggested, that the pilot had committed suicide.

'Even if the pilot wants to commit suicide, the co-pilot and the cabin crew would not allow him to do so without trying something,' said the former prime minister.

'But no-one, not even the passengers did anything.'

Dr Mahathir also questioned why no debris or oil slick from the plane has been found.

'Can it be that the plane remained intact on crashing and sank with no trace and no-one launching the lifeboat doors as we are told all these aircraft are equipped with?

'Can one believe this plane quietly floated down into the raging sea and sank conveniently in the deepest part of the Indian Ocean?'

He said it must have taken some effort if the pilot, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, had disabled the plane's communication system.

'The co-pilot would notice and for his own life he would have tried to do something.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615901...ent-search-area.html

His a bit of a radical this forma PM however I tend to agree with him on this one. The computers system of planes these days are designed to be pilot fail safe, they are to combat any error's made by pilots, but these system's can become your 'HAL' nightmare and just take over, it has happened before but the plane didn't crash.
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MH370 Found 30 Apr 2014 21:10 #3

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The loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire.
There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.
The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.
For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.
As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable. But let’s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.

www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

This pilot's theory is inline with current research effort's off the WA coast.

It baffles me as to why the sat, ping's from the plane were coming from where the current research is being conducted but other factor's say that there could not be a plane in this vicinity, there is no debris, not oil slick, no physical evidence whatsoever. The pings from the black boxes in that area were a bit scattered imo, then again I dont know how this tech works. I've watched many air crash investigation shows and once a ping is heard it isn't long before it id pinpointed, even though it is deep within the ocean and would be difficult, to locate, but with the combined effort of the countries involved they should of had some success?
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MH370 Found 30 Apr 2014 21:25 #4

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I really haven't followed this story blow by blow. But from the little I have gleaned, it seems like somebody somewhere do not want this plane found....a bit like Bin Laden's body
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MH370 Found 30 Apr 2014 22:09 #5

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angelchemuel wrote:
I really haven't followed this story blow by blow. But from the little I have gleaned, it seems like somebody somewhere do not want this plane found....a bit like Bin Laden's body
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Certainly looks that way Jane.

One something diabolic has gone on or Two the arogance of the research co ordination team with the given information they have dismisses anything else outright.

On the CT side there is the CNN interview with a girlfriend/wife about her OH being on DG in a dark room etc. The tech expert's on the plane and the new tech they had being a possibility for making MH disappear.

ON the no CT side is one theory that there was a fire on board and then everyone was incapacitated, with the plane flying on autopilot. There were military exercises off Vietnam and maybe this interfered with the sat nav system giving a false reading, just a wild thought.
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MH370 Found 30 Apr 2014 22:26 #6

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I don't quite understand all of your capitalisation, but that's because I haven't followed the story in its entirety.
What I do find telling to me is
1. the resignation of the PM.
2. What's known as fly by wire
3. Security which was introduced internationally after 9/11 on all cockpits.

The whole thing stinks.
It didn't take them long to locate the French Boeing that went down in the Atlantic......it's the retrieval that took longer, 2 years, which is sort of understandable.
I always say in cases like this, go back to the initial reaction.......look at the flight manifesto...make it public...totally transparent. If nothing sets the alarm bells ringing then move on to malfunction, pilot, hijacking etc.
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MH370 Found 01 May 2014 00:08 #7

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angelchemuel wrote:
It didn't take them long to locate the French Boeing that went down in the Atlantic......it's the retrieval that took longer, 2 years, which is sort of understandable.

That's because AF447 was squawking right up until it hit the sea. With MH370 the transponder was disabled so ATC would only have had primary radar.
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MH370 Found 01 May 2014 00:18 #8

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The Answer to Flight 370! EEC Spy Satellite and A Little Common Sense!
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
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MH370 Found 01 May 2014 00:32 #9

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3point5 wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
It didn't take them long to locate the French Boeing that went down in the Atlantic......it's the retrieval that took longer, 2 years, which is sort of understandable.

That's because AF447 was squawking right up until it hit the sea. With MH370 the transponder was disabled so ATC would only have had primary radar.

I'm sorry 3point5 but really in todays so technologically advanced society, and computerised, radar, satellite and computer control of our every move. I have to disagree with you. Or do you mean to say that with all the technology at our disposal, that actually the people in control are shooting themselves in the foot?
It's no 'get at you' sir. All I'm trying to say is, one minute we are told TPTB (for the want of a better description) can monitor our every move through our mobile phones, computer activities, keystrokes on our laptops, and yet, when it comes to a commercial airliners, with all the extra in built safety measures through radar, fly by wire, satellite tracking et all since 9/11 that they have no idea what happened to this flight and all the innocent souls on board?

It has to be one or the other. Are we technologically advanced enough as TPTB claim we arre or are we actually still living in the dark ages and all this technological advancement is actually bunkum? I know I'm being very black or white, but it's what the authorities want us to believe but they can't have it both ways.....either we have the technology or we dont. Which is it? I personally believe that we do. If we can put numerous astronauts on the moon ffs....then surely we have the technology to track and find a plane?

Just to mess with your head a bit, and put things in perspective, did you or anybody else on here realise mammoths were still around in Egyptian times?......So there you go...same thing here...on the one hand we are so far advanced with space exploration, yet on the other we can't find one single plane?
Go figure
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MH370 Found 01 May 2014 00:50 #10

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Given tha there were a lot of tech heads on the plane one might think that at least one passenger may have had a gps device or sattelite phone, no?
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MH370 Found 01 May 2014 21:02 #11

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angelchemuel wrote:
I don't quite understand all of your capitalisation, but that's because I haven't followed the story in its entirety.
What I do find telling to me is
1. the resignation of the PM.
2. What's known as fly by wire
3. Security which was introduced internationally after 9/11 on all cockpits.

The whole thing stinks.
It didn't take them long to locate the French Boeing that went down in the Atlantic......it's the retrieval that took longer, 2 years, which is sort of understandable.
I always say in cases like this, go back to the initial reaction.......look at the flight manifesto...make it public...totally transparent. If nothing sets the alarm bells ringing then move on to malfunction, pilot, hijacking etc.
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G'day Jane, There was no hint of terrorism, the plane rising to an altitude of 45,000ft then dropping is either a standard practice it extinguish a fire, starve it of oxygen, When something like that happen's you turn of all circuit breaker's to isolate the problem, this could be a reason the transponda was switched off or a autopilot malfunction which has happened with boeing's before.

You make a logical point, it didn't take long for them to find the French Boeing, because it was there, but nothing, absolutely nothing apart from 4 beep's from a black box and pings from the plane to maintenance. Could they be deceptive readings?
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3point5 wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
It didn't take them long to locate the French Boeing that went down in the Atlantic......it's the retrieval that took longer, 2 years, which is sort of understandable.

That's because AF447 was squawking right up until it hit the sea. With MH370 the transponder was disabled so ATC would only have had primary radar.

Yeah I agree with that but with MH the pings coming from the plane did give a guestimate of the supposed location.
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MH370 Found 01 May 2014 21:10 #13

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Given tha there were a lot of tech heads on the plane one might think that at least one passenger may have had a gps device or sattelite phone, no?

7 were on the plane from the same high tech company so not one of them could phone out ? Not logical, the only explanation is everyone on board had suffocated?
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@ BT, thanks, I'll watch that later.
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