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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 02:36 #61

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Surely the positives of simply ticking a box in favour of the strongest opponent to Conservatism outweigh the negatives?

What exactly are the negatives?

Answer that, I;ll objectively consider your opinion and point of view.
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 02:38 #62

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Guev, my friend , I have seen more of the world than you have. I have been to these places, had Iraqui jets shooting at me, had an exsoset missile fired at me,plus other things and yet have also walked among so many people. This is a beautiful world , don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 02:46 #63

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Guev, my friend , I have seen more of the world than you have. I have been to these places, had Iraqui jets shooting at me, had an exsoset missile fired at me,plus other things and yet have also walked among so many people. This is a beautiful world , don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Ok ?
:emb: Did you just try and pull rank on me?
wow you sound like Jesus:loco:
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 02:47 #64

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Guevarista wrote:
wow you sound like Jesus

So you hear from him often?
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 02:50 #65

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Guevarista wrote:
jhado wrote:
Guev, my friend , I have seen more of the world than you have. I have been to these places, had Iraqui jets shooting at me, had an exsoset missile fired at me,plus other things and yet have also walked among so many people. This is a beautiful world , don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Ok ?
:emb: Did you just try and pull rank on me?
wow you sound like Jesus:loco:

No mate, I would never pull that shit, seriously

And I'm sure Jesus had a different accent than me
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 03:25 #66

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The main difference is the base of the Labour party are average people who work hard, abide the law, play by the rules and get nothing for it, the base of the Tories are the landed gentry, businessmen, tax avoiders and monarchist fox hunting relics from the 19th century.
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..... I think it's quite closed minded of you to make sweeping generalizations of everybody involved in party politics, quite arrogant to assume you know what other people are thinking or seeing. .....
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 03:28 #67

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Am I a more worthy target of your propaganda techniques than the state of Israel now then Iam?
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 03:46 #68

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Am I a more worthy target of your propaganda techniques than the state of Israel now then Iam?

The Poor Me

The most passive of the control dramas is the victim strategy, or what I have called the Poor Me. In this drama, rather than competing for energy directly, the person seeks to win deference and attention through the manipulation of sympathy.

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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 03:57 #69

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Lol, what's it like never to have an original thought?
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 04:23 #70

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Off to bed now Guev, let's disagree again tomorrow.
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 06:43 #71

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...don't worry I already forgave you.
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wow you sound like Jesus:loco:

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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 08:17 #72

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Gue, if you were coming at this from the angle that all political ideologies aren't the same, I'd concur.
When we are talking about the political parties however, things are different.
As novum pointed out, voting in different parties every few years merely seems to have the effect of affecting the order of events on the road to globalization. These days even that doesn't necessarily seem to be true. As was also pointed out, Labour and Bliar took 'us' into Iraq etc...Hague and co are now on the verge of taking 'us' into Syria...

If your point about political bases were true, considering that the workers outnumber the elites vastly, Labour would win every time and the Tories would go up their own arses in a couple of decades. That doesn't happen though...

Hopefully, today your posts will have a tad less ad hominem and a bit more real world substance :)
Last Edit: 20 Nov 2012 08:18 by dubs.
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 13:08 #73

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OMFG Guev, you took the piss outta Jesus. Until you can play midfield like Jesus can, i'd that a back seat :D
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 15:54 #74

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dubmeup wrote:
Gue, if you were coming at this from the angle that all political ideologies aren't the same, I'd concur.
When we are talking about the political parties however, things are different.
As novum pointed out, voting in different parties every few years merely seems to have the effect of affecting the order of events on the road to globalization. These days even that doesn't necessarily seem to be true. As was also pointed out, Labour and Bliar took 'us' into Iraq etc...Hague and co are now on the verge of taking 'us' into Syria...

If your point about political bases were true, considering that the workers outnumber the elites vastly, Labour would win every time and the Tories would go up their own arses in a couple of decades. That doesn't happen though...

Hopefully, today your posts will have a tad less ad hominem and a bit more real world substance :)
My point about political bases stands, politically aware voting have's, outnumber politically aware, voting have not's, yuppies outnumber workers in 2012, it's not just "elites" that vote Conservative. :up:

New Labour eradicated a lot of traditional Labour support.

Do you believe a Labour Government would have been Identical to the Con-Dem alliance?
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 16:03 #75

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Guevarista wrote:
My point about political bases stands, politically aware voting have's, outnumber politically aware, voting have not's, yuppies outnumber workers in 2012, it's not just "elites" that vote Conservative. :up:
Do you have any evidence that there are more "yuppies" than workers?

New Labour eradicated a lot of traditional Labour support.
No argument from me there. Practically indistinguishable from Tories eh ;)
Do you believe a Labour Government would have been Identical to the Con-Dem alliance?
I don't believe anything. What I see is that if you draw the focus out and look at things over a period of time there has been and still is a continual march toward globalization, regardless of which party holds the reins.
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 16:19 #76

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Cameron is what happens when masses of people don't vote

I honestly don't think it makes a difference any more whether people vote en-masse or not.

There is no real democracy or choice now, just the illusion of it.

Right, it has always been so! politicians make a show, then forget about it.
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 16:22 #77

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dubmeup wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
My point about political bases stands, politically aware voting have's, outnumber politically aware, voting have not's, yuppies outnumber workers in 2012, it's not just "elites" that vote Conservative. :up:
Do you have any evidence that there are more "yuppies" than workers?

New Labour eradicated a lot of traditional Labour support.
No argument from me there. Practically indistinguishable from Tories eh ;)
Do you believe a Labour Government would have been Identical to the Con-Dem alliance?
I don't believe anything. What I see is that if you draw the focus out and look at things over a period of time there has been and still is a continual march toward globalization, regardless of which party holds the reins.
How do you think you would gauge whether there are more yuppies than workers, I was going by personal experience, comparing the amount of people working in Financial Services to the amount of people working in Manufacturing perhaps?
I'd say house prices may also be a good indicator.

I'd say voter apathy is more common among have not's than it is among have's aswell, the have's traditionally vote Right Wing but many have nots can be swung to voting BNP or UKIP by right wing opportunism, demonizing immigrants, nationalist sentiment against the EU etc, why so surprised about globalization?

It;s been a key aspect of any Social Democratic State since the 2nd World War, why would anyone break with that?

The best you can hope for is that there is somebody with Socialist Democratic principles rather than Etonian revulsion for the lower classes.
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 16:25 #78

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chandrakavi wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
Cameron is what happens when masses of people don't vote

I honestly don't think it makes a difference any more whether people vote en-masse or not.

There is no real democracy or choice now, just the illusion of it.

Right, it has always been so! politicians make a show, then forget about it.
That is just dogmatic repetition of a belief system.
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 16:37 #79

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How do you think you would gauge whether there are more yuppies than workers
I'm not the one that made the statement am i ;)
I'd say voter apathy is more common among have not's than it is among have's aswell, the have's traditionally vote Right Wing but many have nots can be swung to voting BNP or UKIP by right wing opportunism, demonizing immigrants, nationalist sentiment against the EU etc, why so surprised about globalization?
I agree with the first bit, never said I was surprised by globalization though. The political 'class' know which side their bread is buttered. Corporate funding, nice little deals when they leave office etc....
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Re: Another step toward total control? 20 Nov 2012 16:43 #80

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Surely the positives of simply ticking a box in favour of the strongest opponent to Conservatism outweigh the negatives?

What exactly are the negatives?

Answer that, I;ll objectively consider your opinion and point of view.

Why nobody answered? :conf:
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