Griswald wrote:
I don't do chat rooms. Hard enough to type replies from phone. Hope you are able to get this going! Have you ever looked into Kickstarter? Man, you have so much skill & knowledge...you can do anything!

I looked into the Kickstarter model and it has too many restrictions for me, I want overall control of my own URL to give real trades to others, not advertise my wares on someone elses server, if that makes scence.
I really cannot do everything, but I can do is teach my skills to others, our group are all independant of each other but help each other get the knowledge. Once you go to the Inc stage, you are them governed by rules and red tape, to pay the corporate hangers on making those rules on behalf of the corporation, all it does is stall real progress.

I will build a web-site for dedicated craftsmen who want to share their skills in house, I have some IT skills and others have organisational skills to get it all started, its a shame that the zone don't get their potential guests and members to take the first step by promoting their wares in links that remain in full view, instead of being pushed down the lists by MSM re-broadcasts.

K-Bone wrote:

Maybe renaming some skills posts " Why Britains got no talent ", or " Americans are Idle ", will get a larger audience
The acquisition of good skills, and the aim of being the main beneficiary of those self same skills, should be a target for us
over the coming years, before its too late.
Problem is that we have been so well conditioned to believe that , individually we should be third in line to benefit from our labour, after the profiteers, and governments take their cuts. If an alternative is proposed to us, that puts us first in the loop, our instant reaction is that it cant be right. We need to wake up pronto.

All the things I have shared with the zone are but the tip of one man's iceberg, it is a book in the making, saving us more that two peoples wages over a decade, and most importantly THE ultimate corporate killing machine, it never started out that way however.

No taxes paid in the general scense of the word, but savings in so many ways, easing the pains of many children along the way, it can be achieved by most with a brain and two working hands, HANDS being the key word, our hands, not someone elses unless its a balanced trade off.

The more true self pelfishers there is, seperate from government, the better the whole would become, no claiming back, no signing on and no theft in the many ways these models also degrade their overall whole.

They may disguise freedoms as forms of control, but they can never take away an individuals skills, especially if they pass them on freely to others.