knobmeup wrote: and Plymouth and Exeter and Barnstaple and Crediton......

lonewolf wrote: The people consent to be policed. That seems to be forgotten, it's as though folk think the plod are an inalienable absolute. That's where the power lies. And we the folk are at liberty to take that power back, anytime we choose.
I disagree that the riots showed us the police aren't up to it. What they showed us is yet more state corruption that causes real people pain and suffering. The plod were ordered to stand back. Whole areas were left to burn. Why? Was it some kind of social experiment? Was it designed to help usher in laws that mean you can get kicked out of yer council house for being at a 'riot'? Possibly both and more.
Why did the media push a particular narrative? Were they complicit in the decisions made at high level to maximise the 'rioting'?
I've seen quite a bit of insurrection policing. Trust me, they can issue beatings to quite a few people if they are told to.

knobmeup wrote: yes, they were ordered to stand back, I don't think you can blame the govt for that more like the senior police officers, anyway I'm saying if it all kicked off for real BIG TIME not just a few pockets then 136,000 coppers cannot expect to control ANYTHING, it'll be down to sheer numbers, have you ever seen hungry people rioting? not a pretty sight.

Granted. Quite a few rozzers went home thwacked after Trafalgar Square. That was pre such things as directed energy weapons though. That was pre the looming baton rounds, CS gas, drones etc......If tshtf now, expect to see some pretty teched up nasty shit be lawful for plod use in Britain. Already is in many places.

knobmeup wrote: yes, maybe, but most coppers in a serious lifestyle changing SHTF event are going to go home and take care of their families first, any bloke would! given the numbers the govt is going to be hard pressed just to control London....7 million? and maybe Birmingham another million? the rest of the country especially the far north east and the far south west is going to be left to fend for themselves, I don't know about you but I haven't even seen a copper to speak to in the last 4 years and all our stations are part time, in my area they are anyway.

lonewolf wrote:
No, they'd keep it up for quite some time.
They did in WW1 and 2 so why not WW3? British troops were happy to fire on british people in n.ireland too.

Cool - I'm glad the section's picking up, and thank you for the contributions. I'll make a point of getting the books recommended by LW & Wub.

As things stand, I don't even have a clear idea where would be a good place to head for in an emergency. But people will pile into the city, coz that's where the prepackaged food is - and initially, opportunistic fools may be rushing there to get electrical goods . That's where the police would be focussing their attention. I'd want to be heading away from there.

I really don't think anything too serious will occur. At some point there are going to be some major economic problems, but of course this is already the case, they’re just going to get worse and at some point it just won’t be possible to service the existing debt any more. I don’t think anyone quite knows what is going to happen, but none of the likely scenarios are very good.

In Argentina, I wouldn't say there was a complete breakdown of society, but there was something of a suspension of civility. But you have to remember that the Argentinian people are far tougher and far more clued up than Europeans (although most Europeans are more clued up than the British due to recent historical reasons). Argentinians lived under a military dictatorship very recently. If you noted in Cyprus there was no particularly adverse reaction to the complete robbery which took place there. Of course there were some protests, but it didn’t really come close to what occurred in Argentina, despite the fact that the ‘austerity’ imposed on the public was far more severe.

The current socio-economic system is brilliant because people willingly buy into their own slavery. It’s not merely that they don’t understand it, they welcome it. The powerful interests which really control the world have people so well trained to be consumers, so obviously benefit from it, and still require people to continue behaving this way for a long way to come, that I find any Doomsday scenario highly unlikely.

The new iPhone will still come out, Man United will still fulfill their home fixtures, it will still be possible to buy shoes and drink beer. There will be a bit of a furore for a while, but the BBC will blame everything on immigration, Muslims or the unemployed. Pretty soon most of the public will soon be adjusted to the new paradigm. Look how quickly this occurred with regard to Cyprus; in fact, most people in Britain don’t even know that it happened.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Brilliant post. May I just echo it with the words of T.S. Eliot from the Hollow Men



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Mikey are you confusing a power outage/food shortage with a zombie attack/end of the world scenario?

dawnbreak wrote:
Clearly.

andyh wrote: Also, the new breed of plod and squaddie aint quite like the old Dixon of Dock Green, Danger UXB variety. They are increasingly more akin to Imperial Stormtroopers.

Indeed, in fact you need only look at the g20 last with unnumbered 'police' just killing people and openly getting away with it.
Stick a uniform on a yob, simple as

my advice would be to stay away from any city and any rioting at all costs! getting your head kicked in isn't going to help your family and or loved ones is it? majority of police and army(if called on) will be restricted to the major cities and the main resources, either get out of the city completely or if you cant get out into the suburbs.

there was a report commissioned for the then govt in the 70s or 80s that stated in a large scale life changing SHTF event they reckoned the population would reduce by 50% every 6 months( probably through lack of resources etc) if we say the population is 60 million(I know it more but that's a nice round figure) so in 6 months it'd be down to 30 million, 12 months 15million and 18 months 7.5million, they reckoned it would level off after 18months.

lonewolf wrote:
Meanwhile this month has seen the release of a report about the thousands of people who are already trying to survive without energy or food or shelter.
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=...vm=bv.58187178,d.d2k

Maybe just through pure experience and knack, some of these homeless folks will do better than your average armchair Max Rockatansky.

That, I would try to survive long enough to witness.

unfortunately that report is not available online-if it ever was seeing the date of it, I have tried to find it but without success. the plague took between 30-50% of the TOTAL population so it dosent seem inconceivable.

Plague?

Well Yersinia Pestis during the mid 6th century and the pandemic known as the Plague of Justinian wiped out roughly one third of the Byzantine Empire's population. But that strain is now extinct. Fortunately.

On the plus side, the Black Death is understood to be the reason why we speak English and not French today.

So everything has it's silver lining, eh?

mikey mikey wrote: yes plague aka black death was what I was referring to.

lonewolf wrote:
Yes, I was aware of that. What preparation do you do in case of plague? AFAIK there is no vaccine yet according to Cochrane Collaboration.