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Linux 21 Nov 2013 12:43 #61

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Installers on linux come in either binary, package or tarball format.

Tarballs are .tar.gz extension and you compile it yourself from command line (rare nowadays except for l337 hax0rs etc)
Most are simple enough, ./configure then ./make install and then run the binary produced but you should always check the README file in the tarballs top folder.


Binary will be .sh or .bin extension and you just chmod +777 the filename from command line as root and run it with ./filename.sh for example.

Packages will be either .deb extension for ubuntu/mint/debian which you just open with package manager or if you're running a redhat based system such as centos or yellowdog etc then it'll be .rpm extension and you can install those from command line with rpm -ivh filename.rpm

the -v part of the switch means verbose and it'll tell you if you need to install any other packages first which the proggy needs to run, you'll find that small linux installs such as ubuntu desktop are often short on common dependencies such as gtk glibc etc.

Debian based OS also has apt-get which would pay dividends to learn to use and redhat based OS has yum which does the same job.

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Cheers I think!

The README file just said to run the install.... so I've run the install file for Wine & it kept saying that it conflicted with another version of Wine on the computer... (I've no idea where it is if it's there) but then it said it had completed the process...... but where is the program?
I've no idea what root user is or how to run stuff from the command line or what chmod+777 means! :D
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Linux 21 Nov 2013 13:27 #62

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+777 basically means +rwx (read,write and run/execute)

+attributes too actually as the above is +666 iirc , matter of habit though...

try locate or which from command line and then the binary name to find where proggies are located.

Command line should be called 'terminal' in your program list, or type 'terminal' into the search box and you'll get it.

You can also CTRL+ALT+F1 which will give you command line and CTRL+ALT+F7 should pop you back on the gui desktop.
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Linux 21 Nov 2013 19:58 #63

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ok..... I've got to this...
lee@Lee ~ $ wine
The program 'wine' can be found in the following packages:
* wine1.2
* wine1.3
* wine1.0
Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
lee@Lee ~ $ sudo apt
[sudo] password for lee:
apt
Usage: apt command [options]
apt help command [options]

Commands:
autoclean - Erase old downloaded archive files
autoremove - Remove automatically all unused packages
build - Build binary or source packages from sources
build-dep - Configure build-dependencies for source packages
changelog - View a package's changelog
check - Verify that there are no broken dependencies
clean - Erase downloaded archive files
contains - List packages containing a file
content - List files contained in a package
deb - Install a .deb package
depends - Show raw dependency information for a package
dist-upgrade - Perform an upgrade, possibly installing and removing packages
download - Download the .deb file for a package
dselect-upgrade - Follow dselect selections
held - List all held packages
help - Show help for a command
hold - Hold a package
install - Install/upgrade packages
policy - Show policy settings
purge - Remove packages and their configuration files
rdepends - Show reverse dependency information for a package
reinstall - Download and (possibly) reinstall a currently installed package
remove - Remove packages
search - Search for a package by name and/or expression
show - Display detailed information about a package
source - Download source archives
sources - Edit /etc/apt/sources.list with nano
unhold - Unhold a package
update - Download lists of new/upgradable packages
upgrade - Perform a safe upgrade
version - Show the installed version of a package
This apt has Super Cow Powers

Now what?!
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Re:Linux 22 Nov 2013 09:20 #64

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Wine runs as part of the shell :)
Once installed you just click on winblows .exe files to run them, you don't run wine first so to speak :p
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Re:Linux 23 Nov 2013 12:03 #65

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I'm not having much luck with Linux. It's just lost 2 pieces of written work that's taken me 2 days to do. Looks like it's saved a blank copy over the work I had on one and corrupted the other which now just shows a bit of the first one!
I need to get into the file recovery thing but I haven't got a fucking clue what I'm doing!
How do I get to the forensic tools? The problem I'm finding with this is that everything I try & look for on the web it's just saying install and run this that & the other then nothing's happening... i can't see where stuff is getting installed & I've no idea how to find stuff on it.
Pissed off. :(
Is there a way I can reset it to yesterday afternoon?
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Re:Linux 23 Nov 2013 12:50 #66

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Space Bandit wrote:
I'm not having much luck with Linux. It's just lost 2 pieces of written work that's taken me 2 days to do. Looks like it's saved a blank copy over the work I had on one and corrupted the other which now just shows a bit of the first one!
I need to get into the file recovery thing but I haven't got a fucking clue what I'm doing!
How do I get to the forensic tools? The problem I'm finding with this is that everything I try & look for on the web it's just saying install and run this that & the other then nothing's happening... i can't see where stuff is getting installed & I've no idea how to find stuff on it.
Pissed off. :(
Is there a way I can reset it to yesterday afternoon?

Have you tried opening terminal and then using cd command to change to the folder where you think the file is and then typing ls -la ?

Generally speaking you don't need to know where 'stuff is installed' on linux, its a completely different setup to windows, it doesn't have a programs folder as such, it has libraries with .so extensions which are usually stored in /ib /usr/lib and binaries which are stored in /usr/bin or /bin so its a bit like windows having different folders for the .exe to the .dll files, in linux you would just call each program from command prompt after its been added to the shell path variable.

Eg, if you install pico or nano for example, you would just type pico or nano at command line to start the program no matter what folder you are in.

You say its written work, what program did you use to make it? Which folder did you save it in? Have you tried a search for the filename or extension?

You can save a blank file over the top of a written one in windows too if you just click to save under the same filename btw.

There's no way to 'rollback' like you can with winblows or with mac time machine unless you install it first, such as flyback for linux.

ls -la from command prompt will show all files btw, including hidden ones
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Re:Linux 23 Nov 2013 14:04 #67

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It was using Office Libre. They were saved as a text document in the documents folder. It looks like they've got corrupted somehow because one file is showing a bit of text from the other one which is obviously not right!
I've opened terminal & tried typing Is-la but it just says command not recognised!
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Re:Linux 23 Nov 2013 14:26 #68

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ls SPACE -la

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Re:Linux 23 Nov 2013 20:22 #69

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It doesn't do anything!
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Had to fuck it off anyway & just do it again! Only took me 3 hours to remember it all so not too much of a catastrophe!
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Re:Linux 24 Nov 2013 09:36 #70

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ls -la will list files and folders inc hidden ones.
You have to cd into the folder that has the docs though, eg cd /home/bandit/Documents
Otherwise it'll just print the folder that bash has set as start point such as /root or /home
Using tab will autocomplete command line providing you type the first letter or two, making it a wee bit faster ;)

Be sure to use file-save as in openoffice and save in word97 .doc format ;)
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Linux 13 Dec 2013 21:33 #71

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Space Bandit wrote:
Right, I'm happy enough using Mint 12

Bit of an old post to drag up, but ya do know that Mint 16 is out?
But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma,
a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
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Linux 15 Dec 2013 20:44 #72

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Right, I'm happy enough using Mint 12

Bit of an old post to drag up, but ya do know that Mint 16 is out?

I knew there were newer versions out but didn't realise it had got up to 16.
I might give it a go, but tbh I struggle a bit using Linux. Apart from the basic stuff like the desktop & all the regular features such as internet & word processing, I aint got a fucking clue what I'm doing! Like if I want to install a chess game, all I've got is a load of script & when I look up how to use it or ask AndyH I just get bogged down in technical jargon that's of 0 intelligibility to a novice user! I'm not even really bad with computers, so fuck knows how Mr Average Punter would deal with it!
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I've said this hundreds of times now and I'll repeat it again..use vmware or virtualbox you will be able to run Linux in a window saving you loads of hassle, do not go native or dual boot until you have safely messed for a while
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I've said this hundreds of times now and I'll repeat it again..use vmware or virtualbox you will be able to run Linux in a window saving you loads of hassle, do not go native or dual boot until you have safely messed for a while

I had no choice but just to install it onto the hard drive because my keyboard stopped working in Windows & I couldn't find out how to fix it.
I use a Mac mostly anyway...... I'm just using Linux for internet now, not trusting it with documents again!

What shiny new features are in 16 then?
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Too many to list tbh.
Macs run vmware fusion, same deal windowed multiple operating systems, total doddle to use, you can pause them, take snapshots, move files off the mac hard drive onto virtual machine and vice versa all without having to use bootcamp
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Too many to list tbh.
Macs run vmware fusion, same deal windowed multiple operating systems, total doddle to use, you can pause them, take snapshots, move files off the mac hard drive onto virtual machine and vice versa all without having to use bootcamp

I'll bet it doesn't work on a PPC Mac!
I'm not too arsed about having loads of different OSs though. One that works on each computer is suffice!
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Re:Linux 16 Dec 2013 00:02 #77

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Powerpc? Jesus does it have cobwebs in it? :)
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Re:Linux 16 Dec 2013 00:15 #78

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Powerpc? Jesus does it have cobwebs in it? :)

It did until I started using it constantly!
It's a beast of a machine though..... shame they stopped supporting it. Cunts! :roll:
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Space Bandit wrote:
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Right, I'm happy enough using Mint 12

Bit of an old post to drag up, but ya do know that Mint 16 is out?

I knew there were newer versions out but didn't realise it had got up to 16.
I might give it a go, but tbh I struggle a bit using Linux. Apart from the basic stuff like the desktop & all the regular features such as internet & word processing, I aint got a fucking clue what I'm doing! Like if I want to install a chess game, all I've got is a load of script & when I look up how to use it or ask AndyH I just get bogged down in technical jargon that's of 0 intelligibility to a novice user! I'm not even really bad with computers, so fuck knows how Mr Average Punter would deal with it!

I honestly can't remember Mint 12 now it's been so long, but it definitely might be worth you upgrading to at least Mint 13 as it's being updated 'til 2017. Mint 16 is absolutely class though.

You could upgrade through the terminal to Mint 13 by typing in..

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Although it is generally recommended that you do a back-up and install from scratch.

And as for installing anything, your best bet is just to use the Software Manager, which will be in the Menu and quite literally called Software Manager. And then just do a rough search for what you're looking for, and Bob's ya uncle.

If you're looking to install dependencies, or more specific software, have a look in the Synaptic Package Manager. It should be under Administration in your Mint menu, as should Software Manager.

Or, if you know the name of the program you want to install, more often than not, you can install it through the command line in the terminal.

Just say for example that you want to install 'wine', then you open the terminal and type..

sudo apt-get install wine

(and hit enter)
if you wanted to remove it, you would type..

sudo apt-get remove wine

'sudo' is basically just giving you admin privileges for the session
'apt-get' is generally related to installing, updating and removing programs
'install' or 'remove' is doing just that
and then followed by the name of the program, etc.

You can also install stuff via The Mint Website.

Hope that helps :thumbup:
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Cheers I'll give that a whizz.
I think I'm getting my head around it now..... so instead of downloading and installing stuff, I can just type that command into the terminal command and it will find the program on the web & just install it itself?
I might check out mint 16 as I've got zilch on the computer anyway. Is it upgradeable or does it require a clean install?
I've definitely had a couple of glitches with 12.... like sometimes I'll move the mouse & the screen looks like it's cracked into 2 different colours.
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