Sanctum Zone

Keyword
A+ A A-
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:21 #61

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
Guevarista wrote:
andyh wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
andyh wrote:
Since when would monsanto update their website the moment they get kicked out of a country and since when does THAT company's website have anything of value on it?

/gets a giant wet kipper and slaps Gue with it.

WTF are you doing standing up for imperialist capitalist scumbags? lmfao :D
Apart from last year burning loads of Monsanto GMO crops, what evidence is there for Monsanto being "thrown out" of Hungary?
Monsanto Vegetable Seeds Division
1238 Budapest
Majori út
Hungary
Tel.: 00 36 1 289 3100
Fax: 00 36 1 289 3131
www.deruiterseeds.hu
www.seminis.hu

It would seem to me from the small bit of research on the question I have done, that Monsanto still operate in Hungary, they still have Hungarian websites, and addresses and Telephone numbers in Hungary.

As for standing up for capitalist imperialist scumbags, baahahahaha, you conspiracy guys and your wild logic :D
Thrown out?? :rofl:
monsanto.jobs/search?location=hungary&q=

Lol, btw, pre-emptively; WUB, just because I posted that link doesn't mean I work in recruitment for Monsanto :thumbup:

Did you expect their website to be updated after this happened the same week or two?
Its only like dozens of news media outlets have reported the same thing, lol!!

I'm sure monsanto will make a major effort to update their website (and everyone and everything else connected inc jobs posted over a month ago) within hours of it happening you know... ffs lol :)
Andy, this monsanto in Hungary thing, when Hungary burned GMO crops happened last year, not last week :rofl:
Current jobs for Monsanto in Hungary:
monsanto.jobs/search?location=hungary&q=
DO you think it's strange they still have offices and hire employees in Hungary, despite all WUB's links saying "they were thrown out"?

The crops WERE burned, all 1000 acres.
Or are you suggesting it didn't happen? :p
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:24 #62

  • Guevarista
  • Guevarista's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1365
  • Thank you received: 247
  • Karma: 14
andyh wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
andyh wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
andyh wrote:
Since when would monsanto update their website the moment they get kicked out of a country and since when does THAT company's website have anything of value on it?

/gets a giant wet kipper and slaps Gue with it.

WTF are you doing standing up for imperialist capitalist scumbags? lmfao :D
Apart from last year burning loads of Monsanto GMO crops, what evidence is there for Monsanto being "thrown out" of Hungary?
Monsanto Vegetable Seeds Division
1238 Budapest
Majori út
Hungary
Tel.: 00 36 1 289 3100
Fax: 00 36 1 289 3131
www.deruiterseeds.hu
www.seminis.hu

It would seem to me from the small bit of research on the question I have done, that Monsanto still operate in Hungary, they still have Hungarian websites, and addresses and Telephone numbers in Hungary.

As for standing up for capitalist imperialist scumbags, baahahahaha, you conspiracy guys and your wild logic :D
Thrown out?? :rofl:
monsanto.jobs/search?location=hungary&q=

Lol, btw, pre-emptively; WUB, just because I posted that link doesn't mean I work in recruitment for Monsanto :thumbup:

Did you expect their website to be updated after this happened the same week or two?
Its only like dozens of news media outlets have reported the same thing, lol!!

I'm sure monsanto will make a major effort to update their website (and everyone and everything else connected inc jobs posted over a month ago) within hours of it happening you know... ffs lol :)
Andy, this monsanto in Hungary thing, when Hungary burned GMO crops happened last year, not last week :rofl:
Current jobs for Monsanto in Hungary:
monsanto.jobs/search?location=hungary&q=
DO you think it's strange they still have offices and hire employees in Hungary, despite all WUB's links saying "they were thrown out"?

The crops WERE burned, all 1000 acres.
Or are you suggesting it didn't happen? :p

Andyh, I hope that is a joke :chuckle:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:24 #63

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
Guevarista wrote:
WUB, do you still believe Monsanto and the IMF have been "Thrown out of Hungary"?
As I've answered this question four times it should be clear by now that you're a blatantly transparent troll who is not remotely consistent with his (and you must be a 'he') supposed values or username, so please do not blatantly derail this thread any further with your flagrant nonsense or else you will be reported. Absolutely everyone else that has contributed considers your input to be worthless and desultory so please do not derail this thread or waste my time any further than you have already.

Edit: Given the content of post:

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/56189-Hu...it=20&start=60#56667

I have now reported you for derailing the thread. If you don't have anything constructive to post then don't bother.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Last Edit: 10 Sep 2012 02:28 by wake_up_bomb.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:30 #64

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
Guevarista wrote:

Andyh, I hope that is a joke :chuckle:

I guess you think it is.
Having their entire crop burned is a bit of a non-starter tbh. They can advertise for more jobs if they like but they're not getting anywhere there for sure.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:32 #65

  • Guevarista
  • Guevarista's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1365
  • Thank you received: 247
  • Karma: 14
wake_up_bomb wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
WUB, do you still believe Monsanto and the IMF have been "Thrown out of Hungary"?
As I've answered this question four times it should be clear by now that you're a blatantly transparent troll who is not remotely consistent with his (and you must be a 'he') supposed values or username, so please do not blatantly derail this thread any further with your flagrant nonsense or else you will be reported. Absolutely everyone else that has contributed considers your input to be worthless and desultory so please do not derail this thread or waste my time any further than you have already.

Edit: Given the content of post:

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/56189-Hu...it=20&start=60#56667

I have now reported you for derailing the thread. If you don't have anything constructive to post then don't bother.

Awwh don't you like admitting when you are wrong?

I look forward to being censored, thank you! :chuckle:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:33 #66

  • Guevarista
  • Guevarista's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1365
  • Thank you received: 247
  • Karma: 14
andyh wrote:
Guevarista wrote:

Andyh, I hope that is a joke :chuckle:

I guess you think it is.
Having their entire crop burned is a bit of a non-starter tbh. They can advertise for more jobs if they like but they're not getting anywhere there for sure.
They are advertising for employees, in Hungary, in their offices in Budapest, haha, strange considering, "they've been kicked out".
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:44 #67

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
Guevarista wrote:
andyh wrote:
Guevarista wrote:

Andyh, I hope that is a joke :chuckle:

I guess you think it is.
Having their entire crop burned is a bit of a non-starter tbh. They can advertise for more jobs if they like but they're not getting anywhere there for sure.
They are advertising for employees, in Hungary, in their offices in Budapest, haha, strange considering, "they've been kicked out".

Of operations, same as the IMF.
Many global corporates still retain offices even in countries where they have been effectively castrated.
If they've no operations then they have no operations. It doesn't stop them having ops elsewhere or retaining offices there 'just in case' things change later on.

Whether its a right wing, left wing or fuselage (scuse the pun) gov that buned the crops is irrelevant.
The fact you have to get this news from business sites is far more telling.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:46 #68

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
Now, if we could get back to the actual topic and away from this rather pointless interlude, here are the articles from the start of the thread again:

theautomaticearth.com/Finance/hungary-th...nto-and-the-imf.html
Hungary Throws Out Monsanto AND The IMF

I don't know about you, but I would label my personal knowledge of Hungary as wanting, if not painfully incomplete. It's not an easy country to come to grips with, not least of all of course because Hungarian doesn't look like any western language we know with the possible exception of Finnish. I did visit just after the Wall came down, and remember huge contrasts, almost paradoxes, between rural poverty and a capital, Budapest, that was much richer than other capitals such as Prague, a leftover of Budapest's status as meeting place between western and eastern diplomats and businessmen.

The riches were not for all, though, the city center was full of beggars and panhandlers, mostly Roma. To keep up the paradox, Mercedes sold more luxury models in Hungary than just about anywhere else back then, reportedly mostly also to Roma; just not the same.

In the years since, precious little attention has been and is being devoted to the former eastern bloc countries in the Anglo press. We know most of the countries are now members of the European Union, but only a few have been allowed to enter the hallowed grounds of the eurozone.

One thing I did pick up on last year was the news that Hungary's PM Victor Orbán had thrown chemical, food and seed giant Monsanto out of the country, going as far as to plow under 1000 acres of land. Now, I have little patience for Monsanto, infamous for many products ranging from Agent Orange to Round-Up, nor for its ilk, from DuPont to Sygenta, all former chemical companies that have at some point decided they could sell more chemicals than ever before by applying them on and inside everyone's daily food. Patenting nature itself seems either unworthy of mankind or its grandest achievement. I don't care much for either one. So Orbán (who has a two-thirds majority in parliament, by the way) has my tentative support on this one.

This is from July 22, 2011, International Business Times:


Hungary Destroys All Monsanto GMO Maize Fields

In an effort to rid the country of Monsanto's GMO products, Hungary has stepped up the pace. This looks like its going to be another slap in the face for Monsanto. A new regulation was introduced this March which stipulates that seeds are supposed to be checked for GMO before they are introduced to the market. Unfortunately, some GMO seeds made it to the farmers without them knowing it.

Almost 1000 acres of maize found to have been grown with genetically modified seeds have been destroyed throughout Hungary deputy state secretary of the Ministry of Rural Development Lajos Bognar said. The GMO maize has been ploughed under, said Lajos Bognar, but pollen has not spread from the maize, he added.

Unlike several EU members, GMO seeds are banned in Hungary. The checks will continue despite the fact that seed traders are obliged to make sure that their products are GMO free, Bognar said. During their investigation, controllers have found Pioneer and Monsanto products among the seeds planted.


It's remarkably hard to find sources on this, ironically. It’s even harder, even more ironically, to find anything that mentions the Wikileaks report on the connections between the US government and the chemical/seed industry. Which is curious, in my opinion; it's not as if there's nothing newsworthy in the topic. Just about the only thing I could find was this from Anthony Gucciardi at NaturalSociety.com.


US to Start ‘Trade Wars’ with Nations Opposed to Monsanto, GMO Crops

The United States is threatening nations who oppose Monsanto’s genetically modified (GM) crops with military-style trade wars, according to information obtained and released by the organization WikiLeaks. Nations like France, which have moved to ban one of Monsanto’s GM corn varieties, were requested to be ‘penalized’ by the United States for opposing Monsanto and genetically modified foods. The information reveals just how deep Monsanto’s roots have penetrated key positions within the United States government, with the cables reporting that many U.S. diplomats work directly for Monsanto. [..]

Perhaps the most shocking piece of information exposed by the cables is the fact that these U.S. diplomats are actually working directly for biotech corporations like Monsanto. The cables also highlight the relationship between the U.S. and Spain in their conquest to persuade other nations to allow for the expansion of GMO crops. Not only did the Spanish government secretly correspond with the U.S. government on the subject, but the U.S. government actually knew beforehand how Spain would vote before the Spanish biotech commission reported their decision regarding GMO crops.


It doesn't look like Orbán and Hungary have a lot of support in their fight against Monsanto and GMO in general on the political front. But that still does little to explain the radio silence.

There was more international reporting earlier this year, when Orbán again faced up to two other major forces, in this instance the IMF and the EU. On January 1, the Hungarian parliament and president signed a new constitution into law. And it contains a number of things that the Troika members don't like. In particular, they are probably at odds with taxes levied on bank transactions, and especially central bank transactions. Not the kind of thing the IMF is likely to ever agree with. It all gets clad in protesting (the EU even threatens with courts) the independence under fire of the central bank, the media and other parts of Hungarian society.

The IMF and EU, like the tandem team of Monsanto and Washington before them, act like schoolyard bullies. It's become their standard MO, and it usually works. Portraits of Orbán as a fool, a reckless idiot and a dangerous populist, on par with that of Hugo Chavez or newly found international enemy Rafael Correa, are much easier to find than those links to Wikileaks Monsanto cables. It would be good to see Orbán continue to stand up to the IMF bullies, but he may not have that choice. They can simply financially bleed him dry, like they have so many other countries and their leaders. It's a time tested model.

So maybe we’ll have to do with a good and hearty chuckle, and enjoy his announcement yesterday:


Hungarian prime minister unfriends IMF on Facebook

Hungary's prime minister has long had a testy relationship with the International Monetary Fund — and on Thursday he used Facebook to unfriend the agency and reject its allegedly tough loan conditions.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban said in a video message on his official Facebook page that Hungary could not accept pension cuts, the elimination of a bank tax, fewer public employees and other conditions in exchange for an IMF loan that other officials have said could be about €15 billion ($18.9 billion). The IMF's list of conditions, Orban said, " contains everything that is not in Hungary's interests."

Orban's announcement took the markets by surprise, in part because just a day earlier he had said loan negotiations with the IMF and the European Union were going according to schedule and both sides were willing to reach an agreement. [..]

In late 2008, under a Socialist government, Hungary became the first EU country to receive an IMF-led bailout. The Orban government, however, decided not to renew the loan agreement in 2010 so it could implement its economic policies without IMF control. But the increasing weakness of the forint, the Hungarian currency, and investors' growing loss of trust in the country's economy made the government abruptly change its mind late last year, when it again sought IMF help.


Basically, what the IMF demands is what it has always demanded through the years from countries it lends money to: cut pensions, cut the public sector, cut benefits yada yada, and then privatize, open markets, and open financial systems, so international operating conglomerates can move in and divvy up the spoils - "create a more 'business friendly' environment to boost growth" -. The IMF is the poster child for disaster capitalism, no matter how you twist and turn it. And Orbán can see clearly what is being done to Greece, which is just around the corner from Hungary.




Hungary: Orban’s horror show

A “list of horrors”. That’s how Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orbán described on Thursday the conditions given by the IMF / EU for a deal, via a video on his Facebook page. [..]

Orban blamed the “long list” of onerous conditions that had, supposedly, been leaked to Magyar Nemzet, a slavishly pro-government daily, on Wednesday. The list contains a number of Orbán’s most sacred political themes, including cuts in pensions, family allowances and transport perks, an increase in the age of retirement, the introduction of a property tax, the abolition of the bank and financial transaction taxes, and modifications to the flat-rate, personal income tax regime.


And here's a bit more:




Hungary PM rejects IMF/EU terms, hopes fade for deal

Hungary threw hopes for a new loan to prop up its sagging economy into disarray on Thursday as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban rejected what he called unacceptable IMF conditions, crushing prospects for a fast agreement. Orban, in a video posted on his Facebook page, cited demands from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for a raft of changes that he said were too high a price for Hungary to pay.

"From cutting pensions to reducing bureaucracy to scrapping the bank tax and the funds to be made available to banks, everything is in there that's not in Hungary's interest," Orban said. "The parliamentary group meeting (of the ruling Fidesz party) took the view, and I personally agree with it, that at this price, this will not work," he added. [..]

To reverse that momentum, Orban is pushing a 300 billion forint ($1.33 billion) job saving plan, partly funded by a new tax on central bank operations, a key sticking point in the IMF talks, which the European Central Bank has also criticised. [..]

"Junk"-rated Hungary faces a repayment hump in the next five quarters, with the equivalent of €4.6 billion euros falling due from its previous IMF/EU bailout alone.


It's enough of a David vs Goliath fight, or a Little Red Riding Hood vs the Wolf, to make one question the bullies. Now, I don't really know Victor Orbán, all I know is western media descriptions of him, not a very reliable source, and he could well be a bully himself. But I still like the Little Red Riding Hood story (and dislike Monsanto and the IMF) enough to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

And besides, it's as refreshing as it is high time to talk about something else than Greece or Spain. We'll have to get back to them soon enough, after Draghi's unlimited buying bailout boondoggle yesterday.
You can read more about this issue in the following articles:

www.businessinsider.com/hungary-is-in-tr...o-and-the-imf-2012-9
Hungary Is In Trouble After Throwing Out Monsanto AND The IMF

www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36408.html
Hungary Throws Out Monsanto AND The IMF

www.trueactivist.com/hungary-destroys-al...nto-gmo-corn-fields/
Hungary Destroys All Monsanto GMO Corn Fields

www.marcussamuelsson.com/news/monsanto-b...take-serious-actions
Monsanto Bites the Dust: Hungary and Peru Ban GMO Crops and Take Serious Actions

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19514325
Hungary PM Viktor Orban rejects IMF loan terms

www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-06/hungar...-minister-orban.html
Hungary Rejects IMF Aid Conditions, Premier Orban Says

www.zerohedge.com/news/hungary-rebels-ag...lines-aid-conditions
Hungary Rebels Against IMF, Declines Aid Conditions

www.business-standard.com/india/news/hun...e-for-deal/185728/on
Hungary PM rejects IMF terms, hopes fade for deal

www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20110722/hung...gmo-maize-fields.htm
Hungary Destroys All Monsanto GMO Maize Fields

You can read a lot more about Monsanto's various nefarious activities here:

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/56405-Monsanto.html
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Last Edit: 10 Sep 2012 02:47 by wake_up_bomb.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:53 #69

  • Guevarista
  • Guevarista's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1365
  • Thank you received: 247
  • Karma: 14
spammity spam spam.

WUB
Why these articles dug up a year old story to relate to a noth­ing story about Hun­gary and the IMF nego­ti­at­ing terms over Hungary’s inevitable bailout pack­age, to paint Hun­gary as some roman­tic oppo­nent to glob­al­ism strikes me as being –whether con­sciously or not– ide­o­log­i­cally aligned to Right Wing Nationalism.

Orbán says Hungary will push for IMF credit deal
www.realdeal.hu/20120907/orban-says-hung...imfeu/#commentbottom
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 02:56 #70

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
Guevarista wrote:
spammity spam spam.

WUB
Why these articles dug up a year old story to relate to a noth­ing story about Hun­gary and the IMF nego­ti­at­ing terms over Hungary’s inevitable bailout pack­age, to paint Hun­gary as some roman­tic oppo­nent to glob­al­ism strikes me as being –whether con­sciously or not– ide­o­log­i­cally aligned to Right Wing Nationalism.

Orbán says Hungary will push for IMF credit deal
www.realdeal.hu/20120907/orban-says-hung...imfeu/#commentbottom

Why is bailout 'inevitable' if you know damn well they do have alternatives?
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 03:00 #71

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
andyh wrote:
Why is bailout 'inevitable' if you know damn well they do have alternatives?
We've already dealt with this earlier in the thread. His post is just a word for word repost of:

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/56189-Hu...d-The-IMF.html#56262

In which he said the following:
Guevarista wrote:
So really why they dug up a year old story to relate to a nothing story about Hungary and the IMF negotiating terms over Hungary's inevitable bailout package, to paint Hungary as some romantic opponent to globalism strikes me as being -whether consciously or not- ideologically motivated.

In the post above he stated:
Guevarista wrote:
Why these articles dug up a year old story to relate to a noth­ing story about Hun­gary and the IMF nego­ti­at­ing terms over Hungary’s inevitable bailout pack­age, to paint Hun­gary as some roman­tic oppo­nent to glob­al­ism strikes me as being –whether con­sciously or not– ide­o­log­i­cally aligned to Right Wing Nationalism.
Which I've already responded to.

He then stated here:

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/56189-Hu...it=20&start=20#56331
Guevarista wrote:
Of course it's not inevitable, nothing is inevitable.
I've already picked him up on this here:

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/56189-Hu...it=20&start=40#56568

But now he's reverted to copy and pasting his own posts from earlier in the thread.

He has yet to respond to any of my points and is simply trying - quite successfully - to derail the thread. I have reported him and I want his posts deleted from this thread as his only intention is to balls it up. Which he has done. Not with anything that actually made any sense, of course.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Last Edit: 10 Sep 2012 03:04 by wake_up_bomb.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 03:03 #72

  • Guevarista
  • Guevarista's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1365
  • Thank you received: 247
  • Karma: 14
Andyh, WUB, I'll leave the thread now with this final post, I do believe it's inevitable that Hungary will take an IMF bailout, the only thing that has stopped the IMF before is massive popular uprising, ie Bolivia, I don't see that happening in Hungary under a neo-fascist Right Wing authoritarian like Orban, considering yourself and WUB are very vocally opposed to Politicians, why you expect Orban the Fascist to be any different I don't know..
As you can read here, the head of Hungary’s quasi-independent Fiscal Council this morning warned that the government’s draft budget for 2013 is dicey, because its growth assumptions are based on the assumption that Hungary will successfully conclude a new bailout with the IMF
www.realdeal.hu/20120612/governments-201...certain-bkv-bailout/
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 03:06 #73

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
Guevarista wrote:
Andyh, WUB, I'll leave the thread now with this final post
Is that a threat or a promise? Your contribution was simply repeating yourself over and over again in order to derail the thread, so you won't be missed. I fully believe that the vast majority of your posts in this thread should be deleted, you have been reported to the moderators.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 03:12 #74

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
Guevarista wrote:
Andyh, WUB, I'll leave the thread now with this final post, I do believe it's inevitable that Hungary will take an IMF bailout, the only thing that has stopped the IMF before is massive popular uprising, ie Bolivia, I don't see that happening in Hungary under a neo-fascist Right Wing authoritarian like Orban, considering yourself and WUB are very vocally opposed to Politicians, why you expect Orban the Fascist to be any different I don't know..
As you can read here, the head of Hungary’s quasi-independent Fiscal Council this morning warned that the government’s draft budget for 2013 is dicey, because its growth assumptions are based on the assumption that Hungary will successfully conclude a new bailout with the IMF
www.realdeal.hu/20120612/governments-201...certain-bkv-bailout/

I don't know what reporting facts on the ground has to do with fascists? lol.

Perhaps the fact that business sites are reporting whats going on instead of newspapers unsettles you more than anything else tbh.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 03:16 #75

  • Guevarista
  • Guevarista's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1365
  • Thank you received: 247
  • Karma: 14
wake_up_bomb wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
Andyh, WUB, I'll leave the thread now with this final post
Is that a threat or a promise? Your contribution was simply repeating yourself over and over again in order to derail the thread, so you won't be missed. I fully believe that the vast majority of your posts in this thread should be deleted, you have been reported to the moderators.
Ok just one more then, you still never answered any of my questions about this topic, hence it may appear I am repeating myself, strangely you have been purposefully evasive and seemed quite out of your depth :up:

If your cry to authority is successful, and every post of mine in this thread is deleted, I can assure you all it will be the last you see of me, and I will personally delete my every contribution to this forum :thumbup:

Veritatem Dilexi :sorry:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 03:19 #76

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
Guevarista wrote:
Ok just one more then, you still never answered any of my questions about this topic, hence it may appear I am repeating myself, strangely you have been purposefully evasive and seemed quite out of your depth :up:
I rarely laugh out loud at stuff on the Internet, my friend, but that was priceless!
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 17:22 #77

  • Guevarista
  • Guevarista's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1365
  • Thank you received: 247
  • Karma: 14
Lol sorry I couldn't help it, on topic anyway:
Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said he expects to see an IMF deal in the autumn. “Naturally, there are differences in viewpoints and opinions, but I see the will on both the Hungarian and on the other side to reach a deal,” the government’s International Communic-ations Office quoted him as saying on Wednesday, citing Dow Jones Newswires. The office also suggested it should be possible to cut a deal without scrapping the government’s billion-euro job protection plan, which is dependent on a controversial proposed tax on financial transactions – even those of Hungary’s central bank – that has already been criticised at the European level....
..Desire for a deal is real: PM

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán told the Fidesz caucus on Wednesday that there is still “a strong intent to reach an agreement with the Monetary Fund,” the weekly news magazine HVG reported citing a government source. Orbán apparently said that by year’s end the cabinet will discover whether it has enough bargaining power to make its own decisions, and have the European Commission and the IMF accept these decisions....
..economists – and Hungary’s chief IMF negotiator Mihály Varga – warn that an agreement with the Washington-based lender and the European Union is needed to stabilise the economy and the national currency.
www.budapesttimes.hu/2012/09/10/pm-imf%E...%88deal-this-autumn/
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 10 Sep 2012 18:59 #78

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
Guevarista wrote:
Lol sorry I couldn't help it, on topic anyway.
You're not telling us anything that isn't already included in the thread elsewhere.

Are you in favour of Hungary seeking a bailout from the IMF or not?
Are you in favour of Hungary destroying GMO corn fields or not?
Are you in favour of Monsanto being allowed to operate within Hungary or not?

If you are in favour of any of these things, please say why. If not, perhaps you could explain why you're seeking to defend the IMF's role in Hungary and copy and pasting nonsense from the Monsanto website in this thread.

I'm still awaiting any answers to my previous questions regarding the other options available to Hungary, what happened in Iceland and Kirchner and Argentina.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 12 Sep 2012 00:39 #79

  • Frog
  • Frog's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Expert Boarder 
  • Rank4
  • Government is simply a conspiracy against a nation!
  • Posts: 1305
  • Thank you received: 789
  • Karma: 82
Out of the Ashes (Rebuilding the International Monetary System)? ... The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is an organization of 188 countries, working to foster global monetary cooperation, secure financial stability, facilitate international trade, promote high employment and sustainable economic growth, and reduce poverty around the world. – United Newsreel Corporation

Interestingly, it's been placed on YouTube by the IMF itself, which has its own YouTube channel. You can read the description of the IMF above.

The newsreel, which must have been put together in the 1940s or early 1950s, sounds like any other Western propaganda of the time. The sonorous voice-over of the narrator telling us what to believe is especially noteworthy – and would be amusing if one didn't already know how much suffering the IMF has caused.

Read Full Article
MyZone Page is your own personal web page which you can create right here on Sanctum Zone. It's dead easy! Why not check out the example https://sanctumzone.co.uk/myzone/Example/.

"Whenever you're in conflict with someone, there is one factor that can make the difference between damaging your...
Last Edit: 12 Sep 2012 00:47 by Frog.
You must register to post here.

Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 12 Sep 2012 00:43 #80

  • Frog
  • Frog's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Expert Boarder 
  • Rank4
  • Government is simply a conspiracy against a nation!
  • Posts: 1305
  • Thank you received: 789
  • Karma: 82
MyZone Page is your own personal web page which you can create right here on Sanctum Zone. It's dead easy! Why not check out the example https://sanctumzone.co.uk/myzone/Example/.

"Whenever you're in conflict with someone, there is one factor that can make the difference between damaging your...
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: andyh
Moderators: psketti, oioioi, batou
Time to create page: 0.192 seconds

Latest Members Blogs

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Prev Next

What is going on when it comes to 9-11 I…

The EPA (environmental protection agency) and OSHA took air samples in the days following September 11th, they reported that they found no excessive levels of asbestos contrary to other findings....

Read more

9-11 Eleven Years Later

9-11 Eleven Years Later

With the anniversary of September 11th literally just around the corner, unanswered questions still remain for families who lost loved ones during the tragic event, as well as from families...

Read more

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass An…

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass Animal Deaths

In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to review a series of lower court rulings that restrict the United States Navy's use of sonar in submarine detection training exercises off...

Read more

Annual Server Target

Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 250 GBP )
donation thermometer
donation thermometer
$ 192 - Raised
( £ 140 GBP )
donation thermometer
56%
Most Recent Donation:
$122 USD on 4th Jan 2021
Bitcoin Address: bc1q0kazqya0nurfxtunxv807vm0m8852nnrrk8mj8
 
Ethereum Address: 0xe69915c80dd75df19f438d556267e04f932f057d
 
More Info: Donation options for TZ

No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.

TradeZone Latest

Visitors

Today4412
Yesterday8190
Week25098
Month50033
Total1148457

Your IP Address: 216.73.216.124 Your Browser and OS: Unknown - Unknown Friday, 28 August 2026 13:04

Who Is Online

Guests : 955 guests online Members : No members online
© 2012 – 2021 Sanctum Zone | All rights reserved. This website is a place for people to express and discuss their views on the news and world events. DISCLAIMER: Please Note: Views expressed and submitted by contributors are their own personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions and beliefs of the Sanctum Zone website and its founder(s) , administrators , moderators , and any other website maintenance technicians, personnel and volunteers. Articles and messages posted on this website and forum are solely the opinion of their authors.

Login or Register

LOG IN

Register

User Registration
or Cancel