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Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 08 Sep 2012 03:57 #1

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Interesting article if you get a chance to read it:

theautomaticearth.com/Finance/hungary-th...nto-and-the-imf.html
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Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 08 Sep 2012 09:04 #2

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Good for Hungary!

*&$**@~ing US *%$&**#'ing trade wars!!!!! :mad:
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This is a Call to Action for a Non-Hierarchical Occupation of Monsanto Everywhere

Whether you like it or not, chances are Monsanto contaminated the food you ate today with chemicals and GMOs. Monsanto controls much of the world's food supply at the expense of food democracy worldwide. This site is dedicated to empowering citizens of the world to take action against Monsanto during the week of September 17th, 2012.


At least 60 Protests to Target Makers of Genetically Engineered Foods on Anniversary of Occupy Movement

WORLDWIDE – An expanding network of concerned individuals known as Occupy Monsanto has emerged over the past 8 months staging numerous protests at companies connected to the global trade of genetically engineered foods, also known as GMOs. The network announced today that on September 17, 2012 protests will begin for an entire week in St. Louis, home of the Monsanto Corporation, and across the US including California where voters will decide if they will label GMOs this election and worldwide in Argentina, Canada, Germany, India, Philippines, and other countries where concern over GMO impact on the environment and human health is growing.

The protests will vary in size and nature but are unified in pushing back GMO food into the lab from which it came. An interactive map with times, dates and locations of the 60+ protests can be found at occupy-monsanto.com/genetic-crimes-unit/ .

Occupy Monsanto means to confront the industrial agriculture system head-on. Some protests could result in widespread arrests of people who choose to engage in non-violent civil disobedience. Despite the peaceful nature of these planned protests, organizers are concerned about surveillance of Occupy-Monsanto.com by the US Department of Homeland Security and law enforcement agencies worldwide. Nevertheless Occupy Monsanto protests will feature costumes made of bio-hazmat protective gear that can also protect against pepper spray from police who have routinely attacked occupy protests in the past year.

“There is something wrong when a chemical manufacturer, the same company who made Agent Orange, controls the US food supply,” says Jaye Crawford, a member of the Genetic Crimes Unit in Atlanta, Georgia that has planned a week of events. Info: occupy-monsanto.com/atlanta-gcu-schedule-of-events/ .

“Wall Street and the American political elite have underestimated and even ignored our potential to effect rational policy change on GMOs which would include labeling for GMOs and restrictions on GMO cultivation,” says Gene Etic an anti-GMO campaigner based in Washington, DC. “If Occupy Monsanto’s anti-GMO actions are successful, after September 17 the media and increasingly more voters will ask tough questions about these experimental GMO crops especially within the context of the Presidential election, as that office holds the power to determine American food policy,” says Etic.

“People are stirred by the evidence that GMO foods compromise human health,” says Rica Madrid, a member of the Genetic Crime Unit of Occupy Monsanto. “Politicians and their sponsoring corporations ignore public outcry over GMOs to protect huge profits over health. Since GMOs’ introduction to the food supply in the mid 1990’s, food allergies have expanded according to Center for Disease Control data,” says Madrid.

“By purchasing influence via massive campaign donations, Monsanto ensures the essential duties of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are neglected. One example of this corporate coup is President Obama’s appointment of Michael Taylor, former Monsanto Vice-President and legal council for the chemical company, to head the FDA’s food safety efforts despite his obvious conflict of interest,” says Ariel Vegosen, a member of the Genetic Crimes Unit. She adds, “Monsanto is the biggest maker of genetically engineered crops so it must be stopped before it is too late to shift to healthy organic agriculture practices as a result of widespread genetic contamination by GMOs. ‘Coexistence’ as defined by the USDA of Organic and GMO crops is a myth.”

“At the US State Department it’s apparent Monsanto has duped leaders in Africa to ask the US for foreign aid in the form of GMO technology and equipment,” says Monsanto shareholder Adam Eidinger who last year walked from New York to the White House in Washington, DC with hundreds of other food activists to demand labeling of GMO foods. “The generous use of US tax dollars, endorsed by the likes of rock-star Bono and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a former legal council for Monsanto, is actually another taxpayer funded subsidy for Monsanto’s pesticide and herbicide hungry crops.”

Occupy Monsanto will be heard at the offices and facilities linked in the GMO food system. In St. Louis a major anti-GMO conference will take place in the same location as the ‘12th International Symposium on GMO Safety.’ A lead organizer of the conference is Barbara Chicherio who believes, “’Monsanto’s push to control agriculture and what people are eating poses a great threat not only to consumers in the US, but to farmers and communities throughout Latin America, Africa and Asia.” Info on the conference is at gmofreemidwest.org/ .

Media may arrange interviews with Occupy-Monsanto.com by contacting Adam Eidinger at 202-744-2671 or write to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Visit Occupy-Monsanto.com for more information and to see video and photos of protests from earlier this year. All images and video are available for free and unrestricted use by members of the media.
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Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 08 Sep 2012 13:22 #4

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Right course of action! Way to go Hungary, I wish others will follow their example.
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Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 08 Sep 2012 14:54 #5

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Hexhammer wrote:
Right course of action! Way to go Hungary, I wish others will follow their example.

By electing a neo-nazi far right government that persecutes it's own citizens?

Or just the kicking out Monsanto part?
Sub­ject: (en) Britain, Anar­chist Fed­er­a­tion Organ­ise! #78 — Hun­gary:
the far right men­aces

Up until 2010 Hun­gary was ruled by a union of the left in alliance with a lib­eral party.
At its head was Fer­enc Gyurcsany from the Social­ist Party (MSZP). It oper­ated a pro­gramme
of severe aus­ter­ity based firmly on free mar­ket and neo-​liberal prin­ci­ples. There was much
pop­u­lar anger against the mea­sures of this gov­ern­ment and Gyurcsany had to hand in his
res­ig­na­tion after he was forced to admit that he had lied eigh­teen months before, when he
delib­er­ately with­held infor­ma­tion about the actual bud­get in his 2006 re-​election
cam­paign. — The par­ties of the right, in alliance with those of the far right, exploited
the sit­u­a­tion by offer­ing a fake anti-​market pro­gramme and advanc­ing its pro­tec­tion­ist and
racist and xeno­pho­bic recipes. As a result FIDESZ , a nation­al­ist, pro­tec­tion­ist, and
con­ser­v­a­tive party led by Vik­tor Orban, came to power thanks to its alliance with JOB­BIK,
a far right party with vir­u­lent racist rhetoric and squads of thugs, and with the KDNP,
the Christian-​Democrat party.

This suc­cess of the right was even seen in
the cap­i­tal Budapest where a con–
ser­v­a­tive mayor was elected for the
first time.


FIDESZ and its allies imme­di­ately
began a sav­age reac­tionary pro–
gramme start­ing with a reform of
the Con­sti­tu­tion. The word Repub­lic
was removed from ref­er­ences to the
coun­try, now des­ig­nated sim­ply as
Hun­gary, imply­ing a national mono–
cul­ture, the rights of minori­ties were
sup­pressed, the right to abor­tion
and the rights of homo­sex­u­als were
ques­tioned, the media now came un–
der stricter con­trol and cen­sor­ship,
jour­nal­ists were sacked, the judi­ciary
came under greater con­trol of the
State and an attack on the legit­i­macy
of the right-​far right alliance’s oppo–
nents began.


Organ also insti­tuted a works scheme
that was oblig­a­tory for the unem–
ployed, in par­tic­u­lar tar­get­ing the
Rom gyp­sies of the coun­try. These
work schemes have been char­ac­ter–
ised as labour camps by some. He
made a fur­ther pro­posal that these
camps should be guarded by retired
police­men.

As to the promised anti-​market
mea­sures, in fact what hap­pened
was that the work laws were abol–
ished, edu­ca­tion and the pub­lic ser–
vices were dec­i­mated. There was a
forced reshuf­fle at the cen­tral bank,
elec­toral changes were made so that
this new gov­ern­ment can still main–
tain con­trol even when sup­port for
it has shrunk. Thus the cen­tral bank,
the Con­sti­tu­tional Court and the ju–
diciary are far more firmly under the
con­trol of the prime min­is­ter than
before.


All of this is in the con­text of
a dete­ri­o­rat­ing eco­nomic sit­u­a­tion.

As a result anger among the Hun–
gar­ian pop­u­la­tion is mount­ing. It is
organ­is­ing to oppose the mea­sures
of the gov­ern­ment. At the present
the main organ­i­sa­tion par­tic­i­pat­ing
in this mobil­i­sa­tion is the EMD move–
ment– A Mil­lion For Democ­racy– tied
to reformist notions and far from
com­bat­ive and con­tain­ing strong
elec­toral­ist cur­rents, espe­cially with
the LMP party (Pol­i­tics Can Be Dif­fer–
ent). A demon­stra­tion of 30,000 took
place on 2nd Jan­u­ary of this year,
in addi­tion to oppo­si­tion par­ties
attract­ing the Hun­gar­ian Sol­i­dar­ity
Move­ment, based on the pol­i­tics of
PolL­ish Sol­i­darnosc. How­ever social
move­ments are emerg­ing in this
con­text not tied to any of the par­ties
and based on grass­roots self-​organi–
sation, often using social net­work­ing
to organ­ise. As yet they are still a
small force and include a move­ment
among the stu­dents , oppos­ing the
reforms of the uni­ver­si­ties imple–
mented by the régime.

As a result of the wors­en­ing eco–
nomic sit­u­a­tion and the grow­ing
oppo­si­tion, the gov­ern­ment will turn
to fur­ther auto­cratic mea­sures and
will increas­ingly empha­sise a rabid
nation­al­ist rhetoric, whilst car­ry­ing
out an appar­ent anti-​market pol­i­tics
with a threat to tax the banks and
to nation­alise some pri­vate pen­sion
funds. All of this with the inten­tion
of secur­ing con­di­tions for a fur­ther
loan from the Inter­na­tional Mon–
etary Fund.


Whilst illu­sions about the left par–
ties have been dis­pelled among large
swathes of the Hun­gar­ian masses,
indig­na­tion against the author­i­tar­ian
right admin­is­tra­tion is mount­ing.
This oppo­si­tion has to move towards
ideas based on self-​organisation and
mass mobil­i­sa­tion and action. Events
of an earth shak­ing nature as with
the Hun­gar­ian Rev­o­lu­tions of 1919
and 1956 might yet sweep away
FIDESZ and its jack­booted allies.

I'm sure I'll see some people on Facebook over the next few weeks saying how great Hungary is for "kicking out monsanto" :zzz:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto and The IMF 08 Sep 2012 15:08 #6

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outing monsanto ofcourse... what fuckin ever, I think I will stop commenting all more or less political threads, saves me from a ton of bs. I dont know shit about politics and I dont want to know either.

left or right, its all the same anyway...
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Hexhammer wrote:
outing monsanto ofcourse... what fuckin ever, I think I will stop commenting all more or less political threads, saves me from a ton of bs. I dont know shit about politics and I dont want to know either.

left or right, its all the same anyway...
I was just trying to highlight the reflexive thinking conspiracy theorists exhibit.
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I think kicking out monsanto cant be bad thkng to do... Regardless of whl makes it happen. although this kind of stuff might make it easier to think that extreme right wing people are ok.

Hah, the "true finns" party wants to kick EU out from here. I would love to see that happen. But the "true finns" have a little hitler in their closet.

This tyoe of stuff is just the reason why I want to stay away from politics.
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Surely people can choose to comment on the Monsanto thing without being obliged to comment on the whole political make-up of the country? :roll:
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Hexhammer wrote:
I think kicking out monsanto cant be bad thkng to do... Regardless of whl makes it happen. although this kind of stuff might make it easier to think that extreme right wing people are ok.

Hah, the "true finns" party wants to kick EU out from here. I would love to see that happen. But the "true finns" have a little hitler in their closet.

This tyoe of stuff is just the reason why I want to stay away from politics.
Shame, but I think you've shown you aren't totally ignorant to political events or methods, that's good.
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Gilly wrote:
Surely people can choose to comment on the Monsanto thing without being obliged to comment on the whole political make-up of the country? :roll:
In the link posted by WUB there is no information regarding the context in which these concessions are being made, for a start, the Hungarians aren't "Throwing out the IMF", this is the kind of misinformation that will give rise to Nationalist and Right Wing Reactionary popular movements in Europe, right wing, neo Fascist political groups will be painted in the alternative media as the only opposition to the global "jewish communist" conspiracy.

I'm only bringing up this aspect because I know neo-nazi's online who believe the IMF and MONSANTO and everything in between, is run and controlled by Jews.

This article has a totally different perspective to the original post:
www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-07/hun...onditions-orban-says
“Safety is worth very much to us, that’s why we need an IMF deal,” Orban said in an interview with state-run Kossuth radio today. “I think it’s necessary, it will happen, we will strike a deal -- but not on this basis.”

Also a look around Monsanto Hungary's website with google translator seems to indicate Monsanto is still working within Hungary, with at least 3 or 4 offices and two seed outlets in the country:
www.monsanto.com/whoweare/Pages/hungary.aspx

So really why they dug up a year old story to relate to a nothing story about Hungary and the IMF negotiating terms over Hungary's inevitable bailout package, to paint Hungary as some romantic opponent to globalism strikes me as being -whether consciously or not- ideologically motivated.
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I see.

You should know that you're speaking to someone who, having realised at a very young age that politicians are liars, made a point throughout youth & most of adulthood to date, of ignoring them completely.

And for that reason, I truly am blissfully ignorant on many political matters in general. :)
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Ok go back to sleep petal.
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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^ I do hope that's made you feel very superior. ;)

I said most of my adult life, not all of it. I've been reading up on a lot of stuff over the last few years (though there's masses to go through to get up to speed). It's always delightfully helpful to encounter condescending 'experts' like your self though.

Please continue with your soporific posts now, 'Petal'.
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dont you think monsanto is a easy target to blame. i mean they are just trying to protect products they developed. plus, what about hardier bigger crops? how can we feed 7 billion people and growing?

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^ I do hope that's made you feel very superior. ;)

I said most of my adult life, not all of it. I've been reading up on a lot of stuff over the last few years (though there's masses to go through to get up to speed). It's always delightfully helpful to encounter condescending 'experts' like your self though.

Please continue with your soporific posts now, 'Petal'.

dont worry about what that dirty pinko commie says.
besides dont you have important stuff to do like popping out babies and being quiet when men talk?
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In the link posted by WUB there is no information regarding the context in which these concessions are being made, for a start, the Hungarians aren't "Throwing out the IMF", this is the kind of misinformation that will give rise to Nationalist and Right Wing Reactionary popular movements in Europe, right wing, neo Fascist political groups will be painted in the alternative media as the only opposition to the global "jewish communist" conspiracy.
What relevance does any of this have to the OP?
I'm only bringing up this aspect because I know neo-nazi's online who believe the IMF and MONSANTO and everything in between, is run and controlled by Jews.
Actually, it's completely transparent smear tactics. Why you're engaging in this behaviour, I have no idea.
This article has a totally different perspective to the original post:
www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-07/hun...onditions-orban-says
“Safety is worth very much to us, that’s why we need an IMF deal,” Orban said in an interview with state-run Kossuth radio today. “I think it’s necessary, it will happen, we will strike a deal -- but not on this basis.
Right, just to make clear that this is happening:

www.businessinsider.com/hungary-is-in-tr...o-and-the-imf-2012-9
Hungary Is In Trouble After Throwing Out Monsanto AND The IMF

www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36408.html
Hungary Throws Out Monsanto AND The IMF

www.trueactivist.com/hungary-destroys-al...nto-gmo-corn-fields/
Hungary Destroys All Monsanto GMO Corn Fields

www.marcussamuelsson.com/news/monsanto-b...take-serious-actions
Monsanto Bites the Dust: Hungary and Peru Ban GMO Crops and Take Serious Actions

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19514325
Hungary PM Viktor Orban rejects IMF loan terms

www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-06/hungar...-minister-orban.html
Hungary Rejects IMF Aid Conditions, Premier Orban Says

www.zerohedge.com/news/hungary-rebels-ag...lines-aid-conditions
Hungary Rebels Against IMF, Declines Aid Conditions

www.business-standard.com/india/news/hun...e-for-deal/185728/on
Hungary PM rejects IMF terms, hopes fade for deal
Also a look around Monsanto Hungary's website with google translator seems to indicate Monsanto is still working within Hungary, with at least 3 or 4 offices and two seed outlets in the country:
www.monsanto.com/whoweare/Pages/hungary.aspx
I'm looking for an accurate, unbiased source on Monsanto. Where shall I go? I know, the Monsanto website! Monsanto are still washing their hands of any responsibility related to Agent Orange on their own website:

www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/agent-o...nto-involvement.aspx
So really why they dug up a year old story to relate to a nothing story about Hungary and the IMF negotiating terms over Hungary's inevitable bailout package, to paint Hungary as some romantic opponent to globalism strikes me as being -whether consciously or not- ideologically motivated.
Perhaps you can explain in economic terms why this is the case? Why is a 'bailout' inevitable? Am I to understand it that you're pro-IMF? Why don't you tell me about Nestor Kirchner, Argentina and the IMF, and what happened over there, I'd love to hear your account of the matter, sunshine.
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dont you think monsanto is a easy target to blame. i mean they are just trying to protect products they developed. plus, what about hardier bigger crops? how can we feed 7 billion people and growing?

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An easy target to blame for what, Bats? Poisoning people, and furking up crops?
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The monsanto webpage i linked proves beyond any doubt Monsanto hasn't been "thrown out of hungary", so attacking the source on this occasion proves my point to Hexhammer about Conspiracy Theorists and their reflexive thinking, whether Monsanto is biased does not detract from the fact they list 4 offices and seed outlets within Hungary on their website.

Does my quote from the man in charge of whether Hungary takes the bailout not support the idea the bailout is inevitable,
“Safety is worth very much to us, that’s why we need an IMF deal,”
From what basis do you infer that I am "pro-IMF" or pro-neo-colonialism in general WUB?

Since it appears neither the IMF or Monsanto have been "thrown out of Hungary", the attempts of the author to paint Hun­gary as some roman­tic oppo­nent to glob­al­ism strikes me as being –whether con­sciously or not– ide­o­log­i­cally motivated, and something akin to what the not a Nazi's do when they post about Fascists like Hitler being great because they fought against the Jewish world conspiracy.

Why are you talking about agent orange it's off topic,"it’s com­pletely trans­par­ent smear tac­tics. Why you’re engag­ing in this behav­iour, I have no idea"...Posting a list of independent, non regulated internet articles from websites carrying the same misinformation, does not change the reality that neither Monsanto or the IMF have been "Kicked out of Hungary".
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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