Are you saying that no one talked about it in 2007? I might be mixed up but I do think I saw coverage of that in the U.S.

95 mph winds sounds quite awesome, as in something to behold in wonder. I have always had an interest in weather and earthquake events. It revs me up and gets me excited and awestruck. Is that wrong?

noseymutegirl wrote:
It is indeed awesome, however its still a common event.
It was common event before we had global warming/climate change too.

Holland is the place to watch for any nasty weather in the near future, they'll have a field day with that one.

I remember news from maybe 10 years ago when Holland and the rest of Europe was practically under water. Or was that 2007?

I want to clarify, that when I say I am excited by weather and earthquakes, I mean excited like a dog would be when their radar goes up... not excited/happy where my tail starts wagging.

noseymutegirl wrote:
There's been many floodings, although the public perception from these now well reported events is that they are somehow 'on the rise' and that it is somehow then linked to 'global warming'.

If you look back through the history books they are replete with information about bad weather in the UK and Ireland but as you go back in time, the more and more these things are recorded by local newspapers and then by local authorities and the church and of course the fewer and fewer people who are literate and who travel much.

So our whole perception is basically about a shift based on the new in your face media and cheap air travel.
Everything has kicked off with the dawn of the information age and it has ALL been within our lifetimes here on this forum.
So we get this 'perception' that somehow all of whats going on with earthquakes and weather etc etc is about sudden earth changes, when in fact the only thing thats changed is our perception of it all.

The Earth has always been a dangerous place, there will be earthquakes, bad weather and vulcanism going on long long long after we are all dead. If anything it teaches people that living along the coastline or near volcanoes is a bad idea. Building houses out of flimsy materials is a bad idea and many other such things.

Populations in such areas have ofc increased and inevitably deaths are going to be higher than in the past as a result.
The weather and events have not changed at all, just the stupid humans have

Just an example of this increasing perception..

Googling Hurricane Sandy gives About 2,990,000,000 results (0.19 seconds)

Googling Hurricane Kyrill gives About 40,800 results (0.13 seconds)

The difference is quite staggering and this is a period of only 5 years.

There are risks wherever you build your house, but some are indeed greater than others. Certainly building houses near rivers that break the banks once every decade or so, is daft. At least not without sufficirnt shoring. Hence a lot of the floodding we had this Summer and Liguria (Italy)

Earthquakes can plague entire countries (I should know) so there is very lttle to be done about the "where" but certainly "how" you build a structure is very important. Many deaths could be avoided if flimsy buildings were not built.

The coast provides more advantages than risks so again the correct shoring has to be built. Certainly in the case of Typhyoons/Hurricanes or worse still Tsunamis, early warnings and sufficient provisions and preperation is the key.

But as you say, andy. the Earth is dangerous.

One thing that really strikes home is the Nuclear Power plants and just how dangerous they are in such crises.

mikey mikey wrote:
And they were always at risk in such a coastal location in such an area on the ring of fire.
Japan had no choice basically, they needed the energy. Trouble is geothermal was and still is an available option which remains underutilized. No doubt because the money interests keep coming back to the fore...

Hope RA is alright... been waiting for him to come post something since the darn thing hit.
angelchemuel wrote:
Along the HARRP lines, found this, this morning...Here projectcamelotportal.com/kerrys-blog/140...tion-hurricane-sandy.

G'Day Andy

What about this?: In response to people noticing an increase in earthquake activity, the USGS issued a statement saying that earthquake activity has not increased, and put up a graph of California activity as an example. Except the graph that they show has about 10 earthquakes (+4.5) from about 1860 to 1960. Then the graph shows about 25 earthquakes in the time period of 1960 to present (in half the period of time). I have also seen a historic graph for the world and I think the results were even more dramatic.

I read something about the 12 biggest tsunamis in history. Four of them were in the years 6,000 BC to 1900. Eight of them are from 1950 to present. Again, an acceleration.

Yes, I do take into consideration that records get sketchy the farther back you go, but I will still go out on a limb and say that we are in the midst of earth changes, which are cyclical, and do not occur that often. First the changes are slow, then before you know it... BOOM everything is different. I know that you have heard about the dinosaur that was found to have plants in his stomach that were freshly eaten and not to be found at the site of the dino's death. This is one of the factors that has led scientists to believe that a sudden change occurred.

The 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami submerged islands and changed the shape of Trinket Island. There was an earthquake in California that moved the Foothills 10 feet. Sure, changes like these have occurred in the past and no one took notice. But it is my belief that we are at the cusp of bigger changes and they can happen overnight.

I think that volcano activity in the Ring of Fire has also increased expedentially starting around 1995ish. Outside the Ring of Fire, Yellowstone in Wyoming has been building up activity. I wanted to find a better graph with more history but this will have to do:


Getting back to Frankenstorm, the publicity started because meteorologists said that there has never been a recorded instance of a hurricane merging with a nor'easter. This naturally piqued a lot of peoples interest. You can say that there was nothing different about this storm, but meterologists would disagree with you and some of them will say that not only can we expect more of this, but that we can also expect our usual weather patterns to be changing.

noseymutegirl wrote:
Yes completely ignore the facts and draw your own conclusions from feelings alone
I'm used to it tbh :p

noseymutegirl wrote: Its a volcanic area what do you expect? lol :p
We haven't even had the technology to discover what yellowstones been all about until recently and even more recently to make the public aware of it.

www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/hazards/storms_hurricanehistory.shtml

Yet again shitloads of bad weather in the past, zero evidence of any 'change' or 'increase'.

MARTIAL LAW DECLARED IN NEW JERSEY AFTER SANDY SUPERSTORM



Queens residents arm themselves in the post-storm blackout from looters
Residents feel isolated and some use guns, baseball bats, booby traps — even a bow and arrow — to defend themselves.

When night falls in the Rockaways, the hoods come out.
Ever since Sandy strafed the Queens peninsula and tore up the boardwalk, it’s become an often lawless place where cops are even scarcer than electrical power and food. Locals say they are arming themselves with guns, baseball bats, booby traps — even a bow and arrow — to defend against looters.
Thugs have been masquerading as Long Island Power Authority (LIPA) workers, knocking on doors in the dead of night. But locals say the real workers have been nowhere in sight, causing at least one elected official — who fears a descent into anarchy if help doesn’t arrive soon — to call for the city to investigate the utility.
PHOTOS: HURRICANE SANDY'S PATH OF DESTRUCTION
LIVE BLOG: THE AFTERMATH OF HURRICANE SANDY
Further exacerbating desperate conditions, it could take at least a month to repair the the bridge that connects the Rockaways to the city subway system, officials said.
“We booby-trapped our door and keep a baseball bat beside our bed,” said Danielle Harris, 34, rummaging through donated supplies as children rode scooters along half-block chunk of the boardwalk that had marooned into the middle of Beach 91st St.
“We heard gunshots for three nights in a row,” said Harris, who believed they came from the nearby housing projects.
Carly Ruggieri, 27, who lives in water-damaged house on the block, said she barricades her door with a bed frame. “There have been people in power department uniforms knocking on doors and asking if they’re okay, but at midnight.”
And another local surfer said he has knives, a machete and a bow and arrow on the ready. Gunshots and slow-rolling cars have become a common fixture of the night since Hurricane Sandy.
“I would take a looter with a boa. If I felt threatened I would definitely use it,” said Keone Singlehurst, 42. “Its like the Wild West. A borderline lawless situation.”
City Councilman James Sanders (D-Far Rockaway) said he fears the situation will devolve into anarchy.
“We have an explosive mix here,” said Sanders. “People will take matters into their own hands.”
Walter Meyer, 37, lives in Park Slope but often surfs in the Rockaways. He said it’s not the place it was before the storm.
"After sunset everyone locks their doors,” said Meyer, as he loaded up a solar panel from a factory in the Brooklyn Navy Yard to bring to local residents. "They're trying to find whatever weapons they can find. Some people are even using bows and arrows."
“If you are heeding into the Rockaway beach to assist, there is a request for firearms, hot food, and cold beer. These next 24 hours are critical for these folks, the government has really let them down,” Meyer posted on Facebook Thursday.


Read more: www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/quee...196031#ixzz2BAvAlON8

NJ has a few bases there, Navy for sure, real close to the coastline, I've been to it... why don't the people from the bases start helping out if their short on cops, volunteer their time and fill in where it is needed. I know, martial law involves the military becoming the cops, but still, they shouldn't need a direct order to help.

As for the looters what are you gonna do with electronics and whatnot when they're probably 1) water damaged and 2) there is no power?

I guess that no one fell for it which is surprising considering how desparate people get when the power goes out. We would have heard the rest of the story if someone let them in. This would be a scary situation to be in. I would hate to be there because I don't like depending on others, but these people need to come together and help each other out in whatever ways make the most sense.

It sounds like the fear quotient is going up and that is when people get crazy. I wonder who started those twitters, about looting, before the storm even hit. I wonder. Why would you want to publicize your plan. I would think these looters would have enough homeboys to get the job done, and that they would want the best stores for themselves. I am starting to think that Twitter is being used as a proproganda machine with fake accounts and tweets to stir up trouble. I've heard (too many) news reports about riots being planned via twitter if Obama does not get re-elected. I don't know, maybe they are genuine tweets, but my gut tells me different.


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I expect to see the dormant volcanoes start spewing.

I also expect to see you start a thread titled "OMG I Was Wrong About Everything"

I am patient.

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Stars, they probably see $$ with the electronics and figure they can sell them later.
I like your idea about the Navy volunteering.

its like a giant tampon for the subway im so going to hell

Hurricane Sandy: Inflatable Plugs Might Have Minimized New York City Subway Flooding (VIDEO, PHOTOS)
The Huffington Post | By Ryan Grenoble
Posted: 11/03/2012 1:02 am EDT

If an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, a new technology developed by the Department of Homeland Security might have been worth its weight in gold during Hurricane Sandy.

That technology is a gigantic inflatable plug that might have prevented the massive flooding of New York City's subway system caused by the storm. In simulations, the plugs--originally developed to combat terrorist attacks and now being evaluated at West Virginia University--have proven to be effective at limiting flooding in tunnels.

Developed as part of the "Resilient Tunnel Project," the plugs are actually enormous balloon-like capsules, according to a department press release. When filled with air or 35,000 gallons of water, the plugs measure 32 feet by 16 feet. Unfilled, they take up little space and can be stashed throughout tunnels, waiting to be inflated remotely at a moment's notice.

They're tough, too. The plug's engineering uses the same design and manufacturing processes as space suits and inflatable space habitats.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/hurric...-plug_n_2067524.html

300,000+ Gallon Oil Spill Staten Island Hurricane Sandy

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse.

noseymutegirl wrote:
Really, i knew things could get worse,

Will it stop?

@andy, when I opened up this page for an instant I saw a post right here in this spot from you and poof it disappeared. Did you just erase a post in which you admitted that you were wrong? And then you deleted it?


Nah, I must be dreaming I really did see a post though and it disappeared before I could read it

More likely that you caught a brief glimpse of an alternate reality.