Well we don't need money, all we need is food and water, etc. But since the world has been commandeered by sicko's we need money to buy food and water. So it's currently a necessary illusion

nirvana wrote:
Its an illusion everyone believes in. As long as everyone continues to believe it then it is reality.
There are a few people who do actually manage a lot longer than 5 years without ever even knowing what money is actually, although they live in very remote areas

Ofc knowing that money is just a sick invention of twisted minds that seek to control others doesn't do you much good

If we all agreed that as of tomorrow all cash is worth double (a tenner is worth twenty etc.) it would be and we'd all be twice as rich/half as poor.

oioioi wrote:
In which case...I've got £4.00! Yes!

Ab Origine wrote:
If everyone agrees

stress free since '93

oioioi wrote:
Sharp lad eh

oioioi wrote:
Maybe a better approach would be if we all decided that cash was worthless and an exchange of goods and labor are the only things with a real value, we would all be equally poor in hard cash terms. The major advantage being anyone hoarding bundles of cash is brought down to the same level and would actually need to work for a living, as opposed to leeching of the rest of us! Your approach would simply make them twice as rich which would have very little effect on the situation. Being twice as poor for a poor person would have very little effect on them.

andyh wrote:


Yes there are tribes in the Amazon etc ho dont use money at all. The difference is their land is not private property,and they dont have cctv cameras up. In gthe west our entire lives are wrapped up in slavery but these concrete boxes we live in are normal now.

Frog wrote:
Woah! It wasn't a proposal, just a way to show the real value of money.

oioioi wrote:
Humm I thought the real value of money was nothing, as it's only a token representation of labor and the product of that labor.

Money is crappy, because no matter how much you have, it never seems to be enough

I hate the fact that living in the UK means that shelter, food and water isn't enough. Especially when youre a parent. For example, I have to buy school shoes, rugby shoes and normal PE trainers for my son this month. Then there's all the other bits and bobs. We need a car and that eats money too. Cars and children are expensive

Frog wrote:
If we all agree it's worth nothing.

oioioi wrote:
That seems to be a major part of the problem. I don't think we all need to agree though. We just need enough of us to agree to demonstrate that alternatives area available to all.

There may have been a stronger father and mother image as the figurehead of a home in the 40's and 50's and even somewhat through the 60's.

And the stress of keeping home ,food, and a job and kids was tough,but in today's world this stress is amplified, and it's not the same type of pressure,where as back then jobs were readily available,and complete occupations could be changed as needed,a man could go into sales,or real estate for example, from being a cook.

The pressure on today's youth is incredible,and the window of opportunity for chances to succeed is not as open ,and the good life is in my opinion not easy to attain or even the hopefulness about one.
So this escalates stress and depression,worry,..... etc...........

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
I completely agree, Lesley. I've just finished saving for months to give my child a nice birthday (no party, but a kindle and some money to spend); then its back to the penny-pinching so that she can go for a holiday with her aunt who lives in Jersey, channel Islands - I "just" need to raise her spending money because her fare gets paid and, of course, she stays at her aunt's for free. I can't afford to go.... but as long as she has a nice time, it's good.

then it will be back to school, then it will be Christmas, then it will be....

And peppered by more "what's fekkin next" with this damned Fiat I own - except I don't own it. I have two more years of payments to make on it before I own the dumpster. I might actually dump it and just keep paying off the monthly payments - because paying for a car I no longer have would stilol be cheaper than running and repairing the busterd.

For two years I've been trying to save for a holiday for just my daughter and me to go on together and I've never got near the money I need yet! What am I after? Four months in Barbados? No! A week or so in WEYMOUTH in a caravan!!!! (Actually, I've just found a way to do this! It involved buying The Sun newspaper for 10 days and cutting out the coupons; which now let me book an out of season caravan/chalet in Weymouth for out of season dates. ).

@Rick: you're right, too. My parents had four little girls and my dad's job covered the expenses of that. When my mother started to work, it was because she wanted to, not had to and she could walk from one job to the next because a) she was good and b) the jobs were there.

Having abilities and talents seems to be worth nothing nowadays. Money is all; if you haven't got it... well, go lie in the gutter until you die (literally).

While I hate to be judgemental, sometimes I have to come in contact with some of the brainless twerps who have more money than could be accurately counted ... and they have nothing of intelligence, strength, ability, talent, beauty. I stand there astonished and think "How the fek have they got all this and I have not a bean?".

I hate lack of money and financial stress because it DISABLES me as surely as if it had cut off my legs and arms.

I agree with you 100% cantata. My fella thinks I'm materialistic, but I think money can make you happy and less stressed. You can buy nice food, not have to worry about scrimping for bills, running the car, saving for stuff your kids need, school trips etc. You can also have a lovely house that is your relaxing haven and go to interesting places where you can meet interesting people etc.

Yep, Lesley. "Just enough" money is, meh! "A bit extra" is nice. "Plenty" is wonderful, really liberating. But the real "Privilege" of money is having so much you can start to give it away to where it's needed.

I openly admit that I am "materialistic" in that I would love to have millions and billions of pounds. But I wouldn't keep it. I very quickly get to the end of spending on myself. Yes, I would have the lovely house, with pool, equestrian facilities and land ; but I don't want a room full of designer clothes and shoes, or piles of jewels, or twenty sports cars, or a private plane, or houses and apartments all over the world.

I'd set myself and my child up for life; then start setting up my sisters and parents; then wider family; then child carers groups (very close to my heart); then child abuse groups... ad infinitum.

And I openly admit too that any and every "spiritual path or method" I've ever looked into (and there have been MANY, left and right hand) has been to see what it could give/bring me. I don't want to be an Ascended Master, Saint, Angel or to Shine In The Dark. I'm much simpler and easier to please than that!

So far, none of the methods tried have "worked". Especially not LOA And I can't bear any teachings that blame the victim for their predicament or illness. Or any system that teaches "suffering" is good to any degree.

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
The problem with this is it doesn't/couldn/t apply to all, such is the nature of capitalism.

And yes frog, I suppose if I grow excess veg, give them to you, you at some point give me some of your excess....flies?....what does a frog harvest?.....anyway, I take your point.

I reckon ALL stress is Fear. Somehow everyone is scared in this world, but they just call it Stress.

Somehow we are all born with fear.. but nobody wants to be labelled a coward.. ( cos they are not) .. this beautiful world we live in is just full of fear. Look at all of nature... each eating the other... humans have fear - but they call it stress. see wot i mean?



Everyone is, look at all the rich and famous having crappy lives... no matter how much $$$$$$$$$$ they got. Terribly sad...

so... just my 2cents .

excellent thread.

Now, cheer up! please