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Re: Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 14 Dec 2012 15:22 #81

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There was an interesting article on the DI headlines page a couple of days ago about the DSM -5
they are now classifying all human emotion as mental illness

The DSM could be made much shorter and simpler if they just wrote that psychiatrists are sane, everyone else is a nut
There are definitely some issues with the good old DSM.
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Re: Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 14 Dec 2012 16:08 #82

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I'm not sure what to say about that BC, except that I hope things work out well for you.

I wanted to mention that I nearly became a psychologist, I was training for it, but I came to certain conclusions about the subject of Psychology, and about psychiatry and psychology as professions, so I jacked it in. Then later on I found the following book - which is well worth reading - in which the author had pretty much exactly the same view as myself. I will copy and paste one of the reviews from Amazon which is a pretty good synopsis of the book:

www.amazon.co.uk/Myth-Mental-Illness-Tho...id=1355496364&sr=8-1
Szasz is not saying there is no such thing as human distress, he agress with that. It is just the labels and diagnoses that are attached to the person who exhibits a categorised "illness." Mental illness cannot be found in the body as a disease or a genetic change, therefore he sets out to highlight how psychiatry invented the disorers.

The basic belief being that psychological illnesses do not exist, as in a pathogene, or the body changing its infrastructure irrevocably. There is no bipolar, autism, schizo, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, anorexia gene. There is however a belief these genes exist and huge expenditure is placed upon finding them. All based on the perception that human beings are clockwork toys that lack certain chemicals just like a car or a robot. The views arrive from a sense of making the human being into a robot regardless of veracity. Szasz begins to talk apart the constructs within this book, piece by piece, and it makes very uncomfortable reading for any psych doctor, nurse etc.

The first and fundamental error of psych science, it all rests upon belief, just the same as religion. It needs adherents and people to spread the message. Then it needs to take out dissenters. Into the silo huge industries arise based on keeping the real causes of misery a mystery - the social structures created to make sense of the world and negating the emotional world at the expense of abstracts.

Szasz dons his armour, takes his sword and charges ahead into the mass ranks of the believers and they all melt into thin air, because their beliefs are tissue paper. However this tissue paper is encoded in the belief systems of those who need to believe. It is this which keeps it all intact.

An insightful book written to take apart the modern fallacies of psychiatric "science" which is anything but.

I am really of the opinion that all psychological and psychiatric research should be moving towards fMRI and trying to understand the structure of the brain, and how the brain reacts to various phenomena. I would question any diagnosis of depression until the person in question has been properly physically tested at least in the attempt to gather some physical evidence.

It's scary about how the views arrive from a sense of making the human being into a robot regardless of veracity.

The question in the future is who in psychiatry will stand up to suppress this dark side of future transhumanism.

Both the paramedical and medical industries are profit first business within more profit first business...
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Re: Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 14 Dec 2012 20:12 #83

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I'm not sure what to say about that BC, except that I hope things work out well for you.

I wanted to mention that I nearly became a psychologist, I was training for it, but I came to certain conclusions about the subject of Psychology, and about psychiatry and psychology as professions, so I jacked it in. Then later on I found the following book - which is well worth reading - in which the author had pretty much exactly the same view as myself. I will copy and paste one of the reviews from Amazon which is a pretty good synopsis of the book:

www.amazon.co.uk/Myth-Mental-Illness-Tho...id=1355496364&sr=8-1
Szasz is not saying there is no such thing as human distress, he agress with that. It is just the labels and diagnoses that are attached to the person who exhibits a categorised "illness." Mental illness cannot be found in the body as a disease or a genetic change, therefore he sets out to highlight how psychiatry invented the disorers.

The basic belief being that psychological illnesses do not exist, as in a pathogene, or the body changing its infrastructure irrevocably. There is no bipolar, autism, schizo, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, anorexia gene. There is however a belief these genes exist and huge expenditure is placed upon finding them. All based on the perception that human beings are clockwork toys that lack certain chemicals just like a car or a robot. The views arrive from a sense of making the human being into a robot regardless of veracity. Szasz begins to talk apart the constructs within this book, piece by piece, and it makes very uncomfortable reading for any psych doctor, nurse etc.

The first and fundamental error of psych science, it all rests upon belief, just the same as religion. It needs adherents and people to spread the message. Then it needs to take out dissenters. Into the silo huge industries arise based on keeping the real causes of misery a mystery - the social structures created to make sense of the world and negating the emotional world at the expense of abstracts.

Szasz dons his armour, takes his sword and charges ahead into the mass ranks of the believers and they all melt into thin air, because their beliefs are tissue paper. However this tissue paper is encoded in the belief systems of those who need to believe. It is this which keeps it all intact.

An insightful book written to take apart the modern fallacies of psychiatric "science" which is anything but.

I am really of the opinion that all psychological and psychiatric research should be moving towards fMRI and trying to understand the structure of the brain, and how the brain reacts to various phenomena. I would question any diagnosis of depression until the person in question has been properly physically tested at least in the attempt to gather some physical evidence.

I don't know what to make of it either, I'm still trying to fiqure it out, but the story by what happens gets alot worse ;)
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 21 Jan 2013 00:37 #84

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I have been taking melatonin for the last few nights to sleep.

I don't know if i have fibromyalgia or joint pain from years of sports and injuries.

Not sure if depression is causing my body pain.

Can't tell if the melatonin is making me depressed or i'm taking it because i don't wan't to be awake.

Without the comfort of Marijuana i probably could not exist.

:sulk:
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 21 Jan 2013 01:02 #85

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I'm going to be a party pooper, but be careful with these supplements. I don't think it's a good idea to mess around with taking hormones. I took it for a while and it made me feel odd. Try other stuff before you take drugs. Even though these supplements aren't from the doctor, they're still drugs.

Saying that, I have terrible problems with sleep and I've just ordered some zopiclone. I'd rather have that than melatonin!
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 21 Jan 2013 04:02 #86

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LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
I'm going to be a party pooper, but be careful with these supplements. I don't think it's a good idea to mess around with taking hormones. I took it for a while and it made me feel odd. Try other stuff before you take drugs. Even though these supplements aren't from the doctor, they're still drugs.

Saying that, I have terrible problems with sleep and I've just ordered some zopiclone. I'd rather have that than melatonin!

Thanks Lesley, i'm going to look up zopiclone right now.
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 21 Jan 2013 04:06 #87

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LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
I'm going to be a party pooper, but be careful with these supplements. I don't think it's a good idea to mess around with taking hormones. I took it for a while and it made me feel odd. Try other stuff before you take drugs. Even though these supplements aren't from the doctor, they're still drugs.

Saying that, I have terrible problems with sleep and I've just ordered some zopiclone. I'd rather have that than melatonin!

Thanks Lesley, i'm going to look up zopiclone right now.

It's proper Big Pharma meds by the way but at least you know what it is and what it does to your body. It works too.

It's addictive if used long term btw. However, I think you could end up becoming dependent on any pills that get you off to sleep. Sleep aids should only ever be used short term and when desperate.
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Jan 2013 01:07 #88

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I took a cymbalta today and now i got a headache. :pissed:
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Jan 2013 02:20 #89

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I took a cymbalta today and now i got a headache. :pissed:
Cymbalta made me the bitchiest person alive.
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Jan 2013 02:30 #90

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... & ng - try lexapro10mgs... its like having a lobotomy after the cold sweats stop. the house could b burning down around u n u just wouldnt give a shit, ud bust out the marshmallows n chocolate, make smores in ur living room
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Jan 2013 02:38 #91

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... & ng - try lexapro10mgs... its like having a lobotomy after the cold sweats stop. the house could b burning down around u n u just wouldnt give a shit, ud bust out the marshmallows n chocolate, make smores in ur living room
:chuckle: i've probably tried it, it sounds familiar. i have so many SSRIs and their families i could open up a clinic. Don't use any of them anymore except Effexor because it keeps me from strangling people. I also like to screw with my therapist and make her think the meds aren't working.
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Jan 2013 02:47 #92

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StarsChildren wrote:
... & ng - try lexapro10mgs... its like having a lobotomy after the cold sweats stop. the house could b burning down around u n u just wouldnt give a shit, ud bust out the marshmallows n chocolate, make smores in ur living room
:chuckle: i've probably tried it, it sounds familiar. i have so many SSRIs and their families i could open up a clinic. Don't use any of them anymore except Effexor because it keeps me from strangling people. I also like to screw with my therapist and make her think the meds aren't working.

*makes note of the anti-strangle-people pill* it's on the shoppin list now :D
could prob make a pretty good income from ur stock...that stuff goes pretty good on the market if its a high enough dose :coffee:
just a note: i am in no way encouraging illegal activity, what people sell or buy n who they sell to or buy from is completely there business --- now when shall i expect to see this on the zone trade area? :chuckle:
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Jan 2013 02:55 #93

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StarsChildren wrote:
Night_Gaunt wrote:
StarsChildren wrote:
... & ng - try lexapro10mgs... its like having a lobotomy after the cold sweats stop. the house could b burning down around u n u just wouldnt give a shit, ud bust out the marshmallows n chocolate, make smores in ur living room
:chuckle: i've probably tried it, it sounds familiar. i have so many SSRIs and their families i could open up a clinic. Don't use any of them anymore except Effexor because it keeps me from strangling people. I also like to screw with my therapist and make her think the meds aren't working.

*makes note of the anti-strangle-people pill* it's on the shoppin list now :D
could prob make a pretty good income from ur stock...that stuff goes pretty good on the market if its a high enough dose :coffee:
just a note: i am in no way encouraging illegal activity, what people sell or buy n who they sell to or buy from is completely there business --- now when shall i expect to see this on the zone trade area? :chuckle:
It's all crap to me! but i could make a business selling it if i'm ever in need of the money...
I've also got my share of prozac for when i need to slip it into the food of certain individuals who desperately need it..
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Jan 2013 07:14 #94

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I took a cymbalta today and now i got a headache. :pissed:

What's that? It sounds strong!
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 16 Mar 2013 21:00 #95

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I agree you are lacking seratonin its a chemical we all need.... Also people who suffer from depression like myself need lots of vitamin d so when then suns out so should u be soaking it all up :)
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I believe Marijuana is the safest of all drugs and certainly less dangerous than Cigg's & Alcohol.

But my everyday use of weed might cause depression if my activity level is low i think....idk
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 10 Apr 2013 00:56 #97

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Besides 1 blunt i smoked with some friends last saturday night i have not smoked any weed in the last few weeks.

I thought i would have more energy but i just feel angry and bitter.... :thdown:

Fuck... :facepalm:
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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Oct 2013 20:42 #98

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Saw this, thought it was nice.

How to support someone who's depressed

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Depression should be called temporary low quality of life disorder? 27 Oct 2013 21:03 #99

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"Serotonin, depression, and aggression: The problem of brain energy.

Extremely serious mistakes about the nature of the solar system didn't matter too much until interplanetary travel became a possibility. Extremely serious mistakes about brain "transmitters" and "receptors" didn't matter too much until the drug industry got involved.

"Three years before Prozac received approval by the US Food and Drug Administration in late 1987, the German BGA, that country's FDA equivalent, had such serious reservations about Prozac's safety that it refused to approve the antidepressant based on Lilly's studies showing that previously nonsuicidal patients who took the drug had a fivefold higher rate of suicides and suicide attempts than those on older antidepressants, and a threefold higher rate than those taking placebos."

"Using figures on Prozac both from Lilly and independent research, however, Dr. David Healy, an expert on the brain's serotonin system and director of the North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine at the University of Wales, estimated that "probably 50,000 people have committed suicide on Prozac since its launch, over and above the number who would have done so if left untreated."

The Boston Globe, 2000.

Anyone who has been reading the mass media and watching television in recent decades is familiar with the use of tryptophan as an antidepressant. Tryptophan is easily converted to serotonin and melatonin in the body. The most popular kind of antidepressant, the “serotonin reuptake inhibitor”, is said to act by increasing the action of serotonin in the brain. Many people have read articles in popular science magazines explaining that a deficiency of serotonin can cause depression, suicide, and aggression. Estrogen is often said to achieve its “wonderful” effects by increasing the effects of serotonin."

Serotonin, depression, and aggression: The problem of brain energy

"Beginning with the industrial production of glutamic acid (sold as MSG, monosodium glutamate), the public has been systematically misinformed about the effects of amino acids in the diet. The FDA has been industry's powerful ally in misleading the public. Despite research that clearly showed that adults assimilate whole proteins more effectively than free amino acids, much of the public has been led to believe that “predigested” hydrolized protein and manufactured free amino acids are more easily assimilated than real proteins, and that they are not toxic. Even if free amino acids could be produced industrially without introducing toxins and allergens, they wouldn't be appropriate for nutritional use."

Tryptophan, serotonin, and aging.

Serotonin, Endotoxin and Stress.

Misconceptions about Melatonin and Serotonin.
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