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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 16:44 #81

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Honestly the gangster rap culture and rednecks are rare views into the US that get exploited in the media.

Fair comment
Most schools and suburban neighborhoods are fully multicultural now and that's the way it should be.

People from the UK who paint Obama as a war monger who kills people with drones might not relate.

Are you suggesting people in Britain think Obama's ethnic background has anything to do with him sending drones out etc? :conf:
I don't care if people want to repeatedly point out that the US and UK are corporate warmongers.

They need to explain that to all the people who wan't to move here from the 3rd for "this freedom".

You don't think relative economic prosperity has anything to do with it?
I think it's important that during the queens rule of England, America has had multicultural leaders.

And i think having an Irish president like JFK or an African president like Obama should be noted.

I'd be inclined to call JFK and Obama, Americans personally....If either were as you say, they wouldn't be eligible to be president now would they...
Also for the British to paint Americans as being this country full of warmongers is certainly laughable.

More laughable than for a real american to paint all Brits as sceptre worshippers? :roll:
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 17:47 #82

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The US presidents are related to the UK monarchy.
Not that closely I suppose but closer than a hell of a lot of us are.
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 18:11 #83

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Dubs, How can WUB criticize people who voted for Obama like he is the one who invented the monetary system?

I tried to make a point that the monetary system might not fall in your thread about putting the world to right.

So the only thing the general population can do is put people who don't come from wealth in influential positions.

The US has obviously done that with Obama but the celebration of the recent Jubilee shows the UK has not.
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I don't think you understand the political system in the states. Maybe I don't get it entirely myself either but Obama has to have financial backing. You don't get something for nothing in politics.

Please also remember that you can't assume that you know me based on a few posts. I don't support Obama on all things but as a person living in America I look at domestic and foreign policy but most of all I look at the system and the other horse in the race.

I really don't have time or the inclination to go through all your points but Obama is better than Bush and better than Romney IMHO. I wear a few hats and my main concern is my family and therefore my job. My union helps me feed my family and democrats are usually much more supportive of project labor agreements while republicans try to outlaw them and turn states into right to work states.

Like I said it is far from simple but unless the system changes or you can live outside the system then you make do.
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You are, of course, welcome to your opinion. But I would also ask that you don't "assume you know me based on a few posts". I wouldn't call myself an expert, but I know a fair bit about American politics and have written about it at great length.

With regards to living "outside of the system", 98% of Americans turned up and voted for Obama and Romney! And you are defending Obama, so you absolutely deserve what you get. As do all of the 98% of people that turned up and voted for them. The 2% that didn't, and those that didn't vote at all, I do have sympathy with. And I also sympathise for those who voted for Obama but realise that they've been had. I just find it bizarre that you're getting robbed blind every day of your life, and the US is culpable for slaughtering innocent people all over the world with your tax money, yet you're happy to defend the figurehead of the US government. I find it utterly bizarre.
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 18:25 #84

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I've been asked what Obama should do differently.

I've given a list of 43 things.

I've pointed out that 41 of those things could be implemented immediately, or at the very least be put before the Senate and Congress.

I've pointed out that Obama has done none of these things.

I've also pointed out some of Obama's more egregious policies.

I've patiently explained why voting for Obama is pointless.

I've consistently stated that Britain is not significantly different in policy terms from the United States (hence the fact that I refer continually to the ANGLO-American establishment).

All of this has been ignored.

In addition, this is not what the thread was about originally.

Now people are talking about me not to me.

I'm not sure if the individual in question genuinely believes what he is saying or not, or whether he is in fact more stupid than I stated previously, but it doesn't really matter either way.

I think it's about time that Ms. Psketti or Mr. Oi locks this thread, once you've finished your turkey and pudding, of course.

I only popped on here to post the sales thing and say hello. I thought we might be able to manage one day of maturity, but apparently not.
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Last Edit: 25 Dec 2012 18:29 by wake_up_bomb.
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 18:25 #85

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.......... wrote:
Dubs, How can WUB criticize people who voted for Obama like he is the one who invented the monetary system?
That's a strawman
I tried to make a point that the monetary system might not fall in your thread about putting the world to right.

So the only thing the general population can do is put people who don't come from wealth in influential positions.

The US has obviously done that with Obama but the celebration of the recent Jubilee shows the UK has not.
Last time I checked, the putting the world to right thread is still on the monetary system...

Let me know how putting someone who doesn't come "from wealth" is working out...you know considering QE, bailouts, Geitner ebloodycetera...

Ah that record is still spinning in the run out groove then...
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 18:48 #86

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I've been asked what Obama should do differently.

I've given a list of 43 things.

I've pointed out that 41 of those things could be implemented immediately, or at the very least be put before the Senate and Congress.

I've pointed out that Obama has done none of these things.

I've also pointed out some of Obama's more egregious policies.

I've patiently explained why voting for Obama is pointless.

I've consistently stated that Britain is not significantly different in policy terms from the United States (hence the fact that I refer continually to the ANGLO-American establishment).

All of this has been ignored.

In addition, this is not what the thread was about originally.

Now people are talking about me not to me.

I'm not sure if the individual in question genuinely believes what he is saying or not, or whether he is in fact more stupid than I stated previously, but it doesn't really matter either way.

I think it's about time that Ms. Psketti or Mr. Oi locks this thread, once you've finished your turkey and pudding, of course.

I only popped on here to post the sales thing and say hello. I thought we might be able to manage one day of maturity, but apparently not.

lol 5* post, gave me my xmas laugh anyway wub :D
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 18:51 #87

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wake_up_bomb wrote:

I've patiently explained why voting for Obama is pointless.

I've consistently stated that Britain is not significantly different in policy terms from the United States (hence the fact that I refer continually to the ANGLO-American establishment).

In addition, this is not what the thread was about originally.

And I have patiently explained why voting for Obama NOT is pointless.

TPTB which you call the ANGLO-American establishment has a better chance of getting changed by a black guy from Chicago who was not born wealthy than it is buy living under the rule of a Monarchy for the last 60 years and that's what this is all about. In addition the thread was originally about the republicans plan B which is why Obama is having problems trying to tax the rich. So what your saying is basically hypocrisy.

So i can see why you would wan't this thread locked...smh

:facepalm:
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 19:09 #88

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Mr ......., could you please refrain from talking about me. I am finished with talking to you, as I've had more productive conversations with plasterboard.

Again, if I could just ask for this thread to be locked again at the earliest opportunity as it has become ludicrous.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 19:33 #89

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I've had more productive conversations with plasterboard.

Sorry WUB but I gotta get this in before them ruddy facillitators do yer bidding

:notworthy: Comedy classic :D
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 19:34 #90

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dubmeup wrote:
wake_up_bomb wrote:
I've had more productive conversations with plasterboard.

Sorry WUB but I gotta get this in before them ruddy facillitators do yer bidding

:notworthy: Comedy classic :D

lol :)
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 19:37 #91

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Mr ......., could you please refrain from talking about me. I am finished with talking to you, as I've had more productive conversations with plasterboard.

Again, if I could just ask for this thread to be locked again at the earliest opportunity as it has become ludicrous.

I find this pseudo intellectual arrogance humorous... :gleek:

You might as well be talking to plasterboard during those productive conversations about about monetary policy.

If you can't understand that economic speculation is worthless to a country still living under a Monarchy so be it.

Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother?

:dunno:
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 19:54 #92

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.......... wrote:
wake_up_bomb wrote:
Mr ......., could you please refrain from talking about me. I am finished with talking to you, as I've had more productive conversations with plasterboard.

Again, if I could just ask for this thread to be locked again at the earliest opportunity as it has become ludicrous.

I find this pseudo intellectual arrogance humorous... :gleek:

You might as well be talking to plasterboard during those productive conversations about about monetary policy.

If you can't understand that economic speculation is worthless to a country still living under a Monarchy so be it.

Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother?

:dunno:

With people who vote obama cos he's the lesser of two evils when there's a 3rd guy to vote for...yeah you do have to wonder why he bothers :D

They do the same thing in the UK btw and make up the same excuses time after time again.
Idiocracy.
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 20:03 #93

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I'm really glad the mod cunts facillitaors are all off getting plastered and aint around to lock the thread at the mo cos it's giving room for great examples of reasoning such as this to be posted:

"If you can’t understand that economic speculation is worthless to a country still living under a Monarchy so be it."

:killinme:
Honestly....As barmy as a cake full of pilchards :D
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 20:06 #94

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dubmeup wrote:
I'm really glad the mod cunts facillitaors are all off getting plastered and aint around to lock the thread at the mo cos it's giving room for great examples of reasoning such as this to be posted:

"If you can’t understand that economic speculation is worthless to a country still living under a Monarchy so be it."

:killinme:
Honestly....As barmy as a cake full of pilchards :D
To be fair, I've only mentioned that I'm against the monarchy and have written this article regarding it:

wideshut.co.uk/do-we-need-the-saxe-coburg-gotha-royal-family/

...about three times, so I wouldn't necessarily have expected it to have sunk in yet.
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 20:14 #95

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You want it locked now WUB?
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
To be fair, I've only mentioned that I'm against the monarchy and have written this article regarding it:

wideshut.co.uk/do-we-need-the-saxe-coburg-gotha-royal-family/

...about three times, so I wouldn't necessarily have expected it to have sunk in yet.

Fair enough, I will read this but since it's from may 2011 i think an updated audio version would be appropriate.
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Re: Do you Ever Wonder Why you Bother? 25 Dec 2012 20:19 #97

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Fair enough, I will read this but since it's from may 2011 i think an updated audio version would be appropriate.

Stop being a knob for the sake of it RA.
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You want it locked now WUB?
Yes, I think this thread has served all the purpose that it is likely to.

I hope you're having a nice day!
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You want it locked now WUB?
Yes, I think this thread has served all the purpose that it is likely to.

I hope you're having a nice day!

It's been extremely busy and tiring but lovely all round so can't complain. Hope yours was too.

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