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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 16:26 #21

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You're seriously considering it then?!
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Have been for ages.
I was expecting there to be a pile of work coming on with data centres in Iceland but it didn't happen which is quite strange given the circumstances. 100% green energy, secure location, easy cooling, central location between the US and Europe.

When things like that don't happen you have to wonder why.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 16:28 #22

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www.nccp.org/media/releases/release_34.html
New York City — A fact sheet released today by the National Center for Children in Poverty (NCCP) shows that, contrary to some common stereotypes about America’s poor, at least one-third of the 13 million children living in poverty are white.

“Poverty affects children of all colors, contrary to stereotypes. The notion held by many Americans that poverty is not a white problem is simply false,” says Jane Knitzer, EdD, director of NCCP, a research center at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “The sooner all Americans realize these facts about poverty, the better chance we have of eradicating it.”

The NCCP fact sheet shows that among America’s poor children, 4.2 million are white, 4 million are Latino, 3.6 million are African American, 400,000 are Asian, and 200,000 are American Indian.



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Figure 1: Poor children, by race
While the figures indicate that indeed more white children are poor, they also show, however, that higher percentages of minorities live in poor families:

10% of white children (4.2 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among white children range from 7% in Texas to 12% in Michigan.
27% of Latino children (4 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among Latino children range from 19% in Florida to 35% in Pennsylvania.
33% of black children (3.6 million). In the 10 most populated states, rates of child poverty among black children range from 29% in California and Florida to 47% in Ohio.
12% of Asian children (400,000) and 40% of American Indian (200,000) Comparable state comparisons are not possible due to small sample sizes.

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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 17:14 #23

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@mikey please stop trying to confront stereotypes with cold hard facts...you are treading on my toes ;)

@jane I believe twas some Welsh gospel singers called Goldie Looking Chain or summat that spread word of the real cause of murder to the English.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 17:24 #24

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What do you think of the above informatopn?

Mikey i'm not sure what those stats are in reference to please quote me.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 17:37 #25

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andyh wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
@ Andy :roll:
You're seriously considering it then?!
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Have been for ages.
I was expecting there to be a pile of work coming on with data centres in Iceland but it didn't happen which is quite strange given the circumstances. 100% green energy, secure location, easy cooling, central location between the US and Europe.

When things like that don't happen you have to wonder why.

And I don't suppose the fact they have already 'been through it', doesn't mean they can't have a second 'visitation' does it?...Better the devil you know....and all that.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 17:43 #26

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^Andy i'm curious to know if you moving to Ireland has to do with what you are saying in post #14 of this thread.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 17:58 #27

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Most incidents where guns are used to intimidate people in the UK dont get reported to the police,probably same as the US?
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 18:08 #28

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^Andy i'm curious to know if you moving to Ireland has to do with what you are saying in post #14 of this thread.

A part of it yes.
TBH moving to Ireland was primarily just about getting somewhere to have a decent life with a wife and 4 kids.
There are decent parts of the UK but no way I could afford to live there or commute from there.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 18:10 #29

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angelchemuel wrote:
andyh wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
@ Andy :roll:
You're seriously considering it then?!
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Have been for ages.
I was expecting there to be a pile of work coming on with data centres in Iceland but it didn't happen which is quite strange given the circumstances. 100% green energy, secure location, easy cooling, central location between the US and Europe.

When things like that don't happen you have to wonder why.

And I don't suppose the fact they have already 'been through it', doesn't mean they can't have a second 'visitation' does it?...Better the devil you know....and all that.
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Not sure what you mean Jane :)
I don't see what their banking system carry on has to do with one of the best opportunities for data centre location if thats what you mean.
The biggest drawback I can see for it not happening is a lack of local talent and population numbers IMHO.
They certainly have the resources.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 18:39 #30

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^Andy i'm curious to know if you moving to Ireland has to do with what you are saying in post #14 of this thread.

A part of it yes.
TBH moving to Ireland was primarily just about getting somewhere to have a decent life with a wife and 4 kids.
There are decent parts of the UK but no way I could afford to live there or commute from there.

So are you saying Ireland has a better quality of life than Great Britain for the money and if so why?
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 18:42 #31

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andyh wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
andyh wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
@ Andy :roll:
You're seriously considering it then?!
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Have been for ages.
I was expecting there to be a pile of work coming on with data centres in Iceland but it didn't happen which is quite strange given the circumstances. 100% green energy, secure location, easy cooling, central location between the US and Europe.

When things like that don't happen you have to wonder why.

And I don't suppose the fact they have already 'been through it', doesn't mean they can't have a second 'visitation' does it?...Better the devil you know....and all that.
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Not sure what you mean Jane :)
I don't see what their banking system carry on has to do with one of the best opportunities for data centre location if thats what you mean.
The biggest drawback I can see for it not happening is a lack of local talent and population numbers IMHO.
They certainly have the resources.

I meant the banks coming back for a second bite as it were.
Anyways why should lack of local talent...you're married, and lack of population...the less the better in my book....either be an obstacle :D
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 20:09 #32

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^Andy i'm curious to know if you moving to Ireland has to do with what you are saying in post #14 of this thread.

A part of it yes.
TBH moving to Ireland was primarily just about getting somewhere to have a decent life with a wife and 4 kids.
There are decent parts of the UK but no way I could afford to live there or commute from there.

So are you saying Ireland has a better quality of life than Great Britain for the money and if so why?

Not just the money. Quality of life is about not having to worry about your wife and kids getting stabbed to pieces while you're out at work.
Ireland does have more money but only for the specific job I do.
If I was a brickie I'd be just as badly off money wise here as I would in the UK.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 20:11 #33

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angelchemuel wrote:
andyh wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
andyh wrote:
angelchemuel wrote:
@ Andy :roll:
You're seriously considering it then?!
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Jane

Have been for ages.
I was expecting there to be a pile of work coming on with data centres in Iceland but it didn't happen which is quite strange given the circumstances. 100% green energy, secure location, easy cooling, central location between the US and Europe.

When things like that don't happen you have to wonder why.

And I don't suppose the fact they have already 'been through it', doesn't mean they can't have a second 'visitation' does it?...Better the devil you know....and all that.
:jane:
Jane

Not sure what you mean Jane :)
I don't see what their banking system carry on has to do with one of the best opportunities for data centre location if thats what you mean.
The biggest drawback I can see for it not happening is a lack of local talent and population numbers IMHO.
They certainly have the resources.

I meant the banks coming back for a second bite as it were.
Anyways why should lack of local talent...you're married, and lack of population...the less the better in my book....either be an obstacle :D
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Ah I see. I doubt they would bother as they're accomplishing what they want at the moment which is destruction of the standard monetary system as we know it, to replace it with something new IMHO.

lol @ the local talent innuendo by the way :D :killinme:
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 20:23 #34

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PS...Novum...get me a leek or daffodil emoticon...there's a dear :winky:

You find what you like and post it up, and i will make your emoticon dreams come true...thats how it works. :coffee:

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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 21:18 #35

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andyh wrote:
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^Andy i'm curious to know if you moving to Ireland has to do with what you are saying in post #14 of this thread.

A part of it yes.
TBH moving to Ireland was primarily just about getting somewhere to have a decent life with a wife and 4 kids.
There are decent parts of the UK but no way I could afford to live there or commute from there.

So are you saying Ireland has a better quality of life than Great Britain for the money and if so why?

Not just the money. Quality of life is about not having to worry about your wife and kids getting stabbed to pieces while you're out at work.
Ireland does have more money but only for the specific job I do.
If I was a brickie I'd be just as badly off money wise here as I would in the UK.

So you would say that Ireland is less violent than Britain and just all around more safe to live in?

I read somewhere that Limerick Ireland has the worst ghetto and the highest murder rate in all of Europe.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 21:28 #36

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^Andy i'm curious to know if you moving to Ireland has to do with what you are saying in post #14 of this thread.

A part of it yes.
TBH moving to Ireland was primarily just about getting somewhere to have a decent life with a wife and 4 kids.
There are decent parts of the UK but no way I could afford to live there or commute from there.

So are you saying Ireland has a better quality of life than Great Britain for the money and if so why?

Not just the money. Quality of life is about not having to worry about your wife and kids getting stabbed to pieces while you're out at work.
Ireland does have more money but only for the specific job I do.
If I was a brickie I'd be just as badly off money wise here as I would in the UK.

So you would say that Ireland is less violent than Britain and just all around more safe to live in?

I read somewhere that Limerick Ireland has the worst ghetto and the highest murder rate in all of Europe.

lmao God no. :D

Limerick pales in comparison to many places in the UK.
Ireland is very tame compared to the UK, don't ask me why I haven't a clue, we could probably guess as to the reasons for months on end but I doubt anyone would nail it.
The truth is probably something along the lines of multiple things all in conjunction which have only happened in the right way in specific places.
Dublin worse than Limerick for example, it should be obvious because of the larger population.
Smaller populations tend towards better social coherence.

Ireland is far far safer than the UK for that reason alone. They are culturally very similar to the UK, perhaps just a decade or so behind the UK in terms of the crap thats going on but they have thus far followed the UK as a model for governance etc.

This might be tough for an american to get their heads around but the irish are the closest to the brits culturally, then perhaps the nordic peoples of iceland/norway/sweden, then perhaps the french and the germans and the italians but the americans are actually quite alien to the brits despite sharing the same language. Thats in my personal first hand experience ofc, not what I see on TV etc btw.

I'm also not saying that one way of life is any better than another, just different is all. IMHO pretty much all ways of life and culture on this planet are fucked up. Some more obviously so than others.
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 21:33 #37

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Ra, I'm sure it's probably largely the same over the pond where you are as it is here. You have areas of high population density (called towns and cities) and areas of low population density (called the sticks or whatever).
The areas with more folk per square mile will perhaps tend to have more human violence per square mile. Even then there will ofc be variations based on a multitude of factors.
What I'm getting at is talk of whether eire is more or less violent than great Britain are largely meaningless and basically bullshit.
Statistics in general and the kind of generalizations you are pressing Andy to give are basically bullshit.

You do seem to rather like them though eh :)
Perhaps tune in to some of knob's handy info posts, they are full of bullshit generalizations :)
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Ra, I'm sure it's probably largely the same over the pond where you are as it is here. You have areas of high population density (called towns and cities) and areas of low population density (called the sticks or whatever).
The areas with more folk per square mile will perhaps tend to have more human violence per square mile. Even then there will ofc be variations based on a multitude of factors.
What I'm getting at is talk of whether eire is more or less violent than great Britain are largely meaningless and basically bullshit.
Statistics in general and the kind of generalizations you are pressing Andy to give are basically bullshit.

You do seem to rather like them though eh :)
Perhaps tune in to some of knob's handy info posts, they are full of bullshit generalizations :)

This is true.
The over-riding single stat to take note of is people per mile.
More people = more violence, that much is something....heh I was about to say something you can take to the bank :D

We'll have to make a new saying to replace that one now :killinme:
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The United Kingdom is so much better off not having guns... 30 Mar 2013 23:01 #39

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What do you think of the above informatopn?

Mikey i'm not sure what those stats are in reference to please quote me.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Anybody want to tell RA just what those facts relate to while he playas Karl Rove on election night?
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Ra, I'm sure it's probably largely the same over the pond where you are as it is here. You have areas of high population density (called towns and cities) and areas of low population density (called the sticks or whatever).
The areas with more folk per square mile will perhaps tend to have more human violence per square mile. Even then there will ofc be variations based on a multitude of factors.
What I'm getting at is talk of whether eire is more or less violent than great Britain are largely meaningless and basically bullshit.
Statistics in general and the kind of generalizations you are pressing Andy to give are basically bullshit.

You do seem to rather like them though eh :)
Perhaps tune in to some of knob's handy info posts, they are full of bullshit generalizations :)

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