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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:28 #161

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Does that address my point Gue?
I think so yes, Tesco is the big guy, do you advise people who complain about tesco taking their business to suicide bomb tesco?
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:29 #162

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Why does it take a thread highlighting current killing of innocents for you to highlight and condemn the killing of other innocents yet not seemingly condemning the killing of innocents the thread is about? :think:
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:30 #163

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Guevarista wrote:
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If you condone these current attacks you condone the killing.

Ask yourself, are you condoning them or condemning them?

When the inevitable retaliatory wave of rocket attacks occur be sure to post the images of killed and maimed kids for us to condemn that too.
Why do I have to condone or condemn?
Can't I just speak the truth as I see it, as I have done in this thread?

You don't have to do anything. I find it quite easy to condemn all killing of innocents.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:37 #164

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Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Does that address my point Gue?
I think so yes, Tesco is the big guy, do you advise people who complain about tesco taking their business to suicide bomb tesco?

It's a completely ridiculous analogy is it not? So much so it isn't an analogy.
Let me ask you the question straight to try and get a straight answer.
Do you think that those who are oppressed (by that I mean brutalised, killed etc) should just take it and live with it? (until they don't have the choice)
Last Edit: 18 Nov 2012 21:38 by dubs.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:37 #165

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oioioi wrote:
Why does it take a thread highlighting current killing of innocents for you to highlight and condemn the killing of other innocents yet not seemingly condemning the killing of innocents the thread is about? :think:
:chuckle:

I thought this thread was about a military operation in an extremely complex part of the world.

Maybe it's a bit of both, or maybe the latter is my perspective alone?
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:41 #166

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It's not a simple thing Psketti, if this was the 1920's middle East or the holocaust you'd have been taking the position in favour of the Jews, you've got to think in centuries and historical events more than days and headlines.

How far back do we go though? Which year(s) do we look at to base our position on? :hahano:

The place has been 'changing hands' for centuries now...under the synagogues there are mosques, under the mosques there are byzantine churches...and so on and so on...and theres always been blood spilled for that to happen, and it hasnt just been jewish blood.

Sure, we can argue/state that if everyone just did what the UN/Brit/American empire said, there may be less blood.

Heck i can see that.

Problem is, not everyone is happy doing as they are told by other powers.

Im just looking at it from both perspectives.

Israel boasts an exceptionally high concentration of archaeological sites, including Crusader, Islamic, Byzantine, Roman, ancient Jewish and prehistoric ruins.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41390020/ns/technol...israel/#.UKlTguRwryA
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:45 #167

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dubmeup wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Does that address my point Gue?
I think so yes, Tesco is the big guy, do you advise people who complain about tesco taking their business to suicide bomb tesco?

It's a completely ridiculous analogy is it not? So much so it isn't an analogy.
Let me ask you the question straight to try and get a straight answer.
Do you think that those who are oppressed (by that I mean brutalised, killed etc) should just take it and live with it?
I think the IRA stands as a good example of what can be achieved politically in terms of recompense and change.

Go by what the Israeli political groups and PLO groups are saying here man, I'm not talking out of my arse, there is a definite drive for a peaceful negotiation of terms favourable to both sides, but not in most parts of the Gaza strip, and not within Hamas as a political party and ruling Faction.

Hamas are fucking wingnuts.
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:49 #168

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Guevarista wrote:
there is a definite drive for a peaceful negotiation of terms favourable to both sides

see thats where i can see that there would be people/groups out there who just dont trust the 'axis of good' to be good to both sides.

especially when there are oil and gas resources involved.

round and round we go hey.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 21:59 #169

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novum wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
It's not a simple thing Psketti, if this was the 1920's middle East or the holocaust you'd have been taking the position in favour of the Jews, you've got to think in centuries and historical events more than days and headlines.

How far back do we go though? Which year(s) do we look at to base our position on? :hahano:
How about now?
Israel exists, lot's of people live there, they are extremely strong militarily.
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:02 #170

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novum wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
there is a definite drive for a peaceful negotiation of terms favourable to both sides

see thats where i can see that there would be people/groups out there who just dont trust the 'axis of good' to be good to both sides.

especially when there are oil and gas resources involved.

round and round we go hey.
:bla: .
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:04 #171

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Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Does that address my point Gue?
I think so yes, Tesco is the big guy, do you advise people who complain about tesco taking their business to suicide bomb tesco?

It's a completely ridiculous analogy is it not? So much so it isn't an analogy.
Let me ask you the question straight to try and get a straight answer.
Do you think that those who are oppressed (by that I mean brutalised, killed etc) should just take it and live with it?
I think the IRA stands as a good example of what can be achieved politically in terms of recompense and change.

Go by what the Israeli political groups and PLO groups are saying here man, I'm not talking out of my arse, there is a definite drive for a peaceful negotiation of terms favourable to both sides, but not in most parts of the Gaza strip, and not within Hamas as a political party and ruling Faction.

Hamas are fucking wingnuts.

Ok, I can see you don't want to give a direct answer to a straight question.
So here's another :)
Was Jabari involved in recent efforts toward Peace?
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:08 #172

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Guevarista wrote:
I think the IRA stands as a good example of what can be achieved politically in terms of recompense and change.

:roll:
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:09 #173

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Guevarista wrote:
Israel exists, lot's of people live there, they are extremely strong militarily.

Sure, all true.
Guevarista wrote:
:bla:

:chuckle:

Hey man people are going to try and fight the current empire back, it cant be all smooth sailing for them. Thats how i see it.

And religious fucktardery is used by both sides to mobilise the masses and/or get them/attempt to get them onside hey, thats how i see it.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:12 #174

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Yeah Jabari when he isn't playing with kittens and pissing rainbows because he's such a peaceful happy go lucky guy, just wants to get along with the Jews.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:15 #175

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diamondgeezer wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
I think the IRA stands as a good example of what can be achieved politically in terms of recompense and change.

:roll:
Do you not get that?
They were a paramilitary organisation, kinda like Hamas, then they made peace and became a Political organisation, now the queen shakes their hand and Sinn Feinn dominate Irish politics, it's not perfect no, there's still sectarian violence, but it's better than war, and at least both sides talk politically to avoid further killing.
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
Last Edit: 18 Nov 2012 22:16 by Guevarista.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:19 #176

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Yeah Jabari when he isn't playing with kittens and pissing rainbows because he's such a peaceful happy go lucky guy, just wants to get along with the Jews.

Call me a pedant but Past tense may have been applicable there eh...
Again, no answer to a straight question. It's getting tedious now :(
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:21 #177

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novum wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
Israel exists, lot's of people live there, they are extremely strong militarily.

Sure, all true.
Guevarista wrote:
:bla:

:chuckle:

Hey man people are going to try and fight the current empire back, it cant be all smooth sailing for them. Thats how i see it.

And religious fucktardery is used by both sides to mobilise the masses and/or get them/attempt to get them onside hey, thats how i see it.
There's more than 2 "empires", 2 sides, 2 tendencies, 2 choices, I can see a pattern in your thinking, Fighting with weapons didn't go great for most people who tried, now the military have all manner of destructive and subtle shit, only idiots will believe they'll win any fight against a wealthy developed capitalist nation..

If you are truly radical you need military power to defend your interests, but you can't assume that power by first waging a guerrilla/terrorist war against them for a century or however long that particular one will go on. :conf:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
Last Edit: 18 Nov 2012 22:24 by Guevarista.
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:22 #178

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Guevarista wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
I think the IRA stands as a good example of what can be achieved politically in terms of recompense and change.

:roll:
Do you not get that?
They were a paramilitary organisation, kinda like Hamas, then they made peace and became a Political organisation, now the queen shakes their hand and Sinn Feinn dominate Irish politics, it's not perfect no, there's still sectarian violence, but it's better than war, and at least both sides talk politically to avoid further killing.

I get it all right....you obviously don't...

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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:26 #179

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dubmeup wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
Yeah Jabari when he isn't playing with kittens and pissing rainbows because he's such a peaceful happy go lucky guy, just wants to get along with the Jews.

Call me a pedant but Past tense may have been applicable there eh...
Again, no answer to a straight question. It's getting tedious now :(

It doesn't bother me, the thread will sink a day or two after this particular skirmish is over, hopefully next time we talk about it Hamas itself will be past tense Insha'Allah :killinme:
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Re: Gaza under Israeli attack: LIVE UPDATES 18 Nov 2012 22:27 #180

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diamondgeezer wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
I think the IRA stands as a good example of what can be achieved politically in terms of recompense and change.

:roll:
Do you not get that?
They were a paramilitary organisation, kinda like Hamas, then they made peace and became a Political organisation, now the queen shakes their hand and Sinn Feinn dominate Irish politics, it's not perfect no, there's still sectarian violence, but it's better than war, and at least both sides talk politically to avoid further killing.

I get it all right....you obviously don't...

:roll:
Ok let me in on my disastrous faux pas :drama:
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