NOBODY knows for sure what is going on in other people's heads, but I had always suspected Charlie Veitch was fake and I had mentioned it to my partner several times, but I would never say it in public on the Icke Forum JUST IN CASE I was wrong, and even supported stuff he was saying. I think that Danny Shine is genuine, and maybe that's why he "split" from him. I didnt know WHEN Veitch would "come out of the closet" (so to speak) but he DID, and that is the first time that I had seen any of these fakes admit to it.
Now that I am NOT on such a high profile forum, I suspect Ron Paul to be a fake (but I would never say it on the Icke forum cos I liked what he was saying and wanted it to continue so that it backed up the info that I passed onto people). He is there to control the "opposition" IMO, a gatekeeper type.

Using celebrities who have "sold their soul" is one of the ways that the PTB help to forward the agenda. For a few years now I have been trying to get my head around why celebrities could seem genuine (could ANY celebrity be genuine REALLY ?), and it seems to me that my mind did not want to accept that these "genuine" people had sold out from the very start, or most of them anyway - The sheeple (me) simply do/did not want to believe that MOST celebs are COMPLETELY fake or completely shallow (or "demoralised" as that ex KGB man puts it). Russell Brand falls into that catergory. My gut instinct was that he was fake, but my head was telling me to see him as some sort of inspirational hero (albeit rather eccentric). As I watched and looked into the backgrounds of loads of celebs (sounds sad but I wanted to understand things better - I mean I was brought up the same as most people, and I wanted to be....lol rich and famous, a celebrity lol, mental eh ?) Russell Brand is fake IMO and I can accept that now. Clarity!

I wouldn't use the word fake so much as just a bloody idiot tbh.

andyh wrote:
Idiot yes.

But I doubt that he was working alone.

The one video he did that was quite amusing was the one in Canary Wharf, I only watched that because my brother used to live there (and disliked it), but otherwise I didn't really pay much attention to him as he didn't really offer anything of substance.

Anyone who is weak minded enough to have their opinion on something completely changed by meeting a few 'experts' and some people whose relatives were, unfortunately, killed is not really worth paying attention to. If he'd met the parents of soldiers killed in Iraq, or Iraqi people for that matter, and they'd told him that despite this they still support the Iraq war, would he have changed his mind on that too?

Steevo wrote:
I doubt it, he just came across as a complete jerk tbh. I see the same attitude with alex jones, makow and a pile of others.
I've still yet to discover how a bunch of religious freaks who can't manage a cessna can take over a jet plane with stanley knives and fly it around the US for an hour or two unchallenged and then into buildings with precision and then have the buildings fall into their own footprint through the path of greatest resistance only a few hours afterwards and even have another building do the same thing without even hitting it with a plane and manage to hit the pentagon of all the damned places with no opposition whatsoever and have the jet disappear into teeny pieces bang smack in the budget analysts office all managed and planned by a guy in a cave in afghanistan or whatever...ffs
Its not like the official theory isn't crazy enough as it is!
To then say you believe all the above because some guy from the beeb said so is...well there's no word for it except fucking stupid

I mean...Charlie Veitch is saying the above video is exactly how it happened!
Who in their right mind would want to swallow that ffs?

I don't know... I didn't know about Charlie Veitch until later on in his... career, I suppose we can call it. So by the time I knew about him, he was no longer with Danny and was starting to seem a little off I suppose. What has always been in the back of my mind since I first heard him change his opinion(s), his girlfriend left, etc... was, maybe somebody got to him. He seemed decent enough before he went to Canada and got tossed in the cage, after that is when I noticed the behavior that began to change slightly (then he went on and said something about "don't threaten my family or my nephews," etc... and soon after that his opinion(s) went from one side of the fence to the other). Given the following he managed to get it makes sense that they may see him as a threat, and if he had nothing on TPTB, threatening his family/girlfriend was a good move to make because he couldn't fight back... I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt, anything is possible and he could have been coerced into reading a script and publicly changing his opinion(s).

andyh wrote:


Ain't seen that before andy... cheers for a bloody good laugh, quality stuff

Charlie did seem to change like crazy after he went into a real jail... it is easy to be tough when u r from a rich background like him, but then he saw for himself how crap the world really is ( rather than just reading about it and mouthing on his megaphone) ,
I think he got a real wakeup call in a bad way... and they also might have brainwashed him.

I have never seen such a big turnaround in such a short time.

he got woken up in a way he never expected... in a horrible way. I think he had such a scary wakeup that he completely changed his tune.

So...... let that be a lesson for all of us .. If you cant do the walk, dont talk the talk.

Charlie was all talk, poor chap, he had to learn the hard way... and he decided/brainwashed, to change his tune.

Not being mean... but he was trying to be hard, he was too soft. He learned the hard way.. it was a shock to the poor guy.

I think he was trying.. dunno really.. but , maybe he might get back on track. Hope so.

Good luck to Charlie if he gets back

psketti wrote:
Yeah, jeez, ty andy, omg... and shuffling all the iron off to china., without an enquiry or sussing it out, how can people not see ?

anyways , gotta laff at that vid, well done indeed,

I think Charley Vietch was genuine at first. I think he seen the bigger picture. The bigger picture is we have no mass movement . Everyone and everything is corrupt at some level. If the current elite were not at the top of the pyramid there would be other elites at the top. We are all part of the status chain.Some of us are very poor yet some of us are very rich.

nirvana wrote:
Some of those people are also very very pissed off and pissed of people have a tendancy to be good catylsts for mass movements.

Veitch's apology.
In a nutshell: I don't think even Veitch suspected he was 'fake'.
Lesson: Listen to everyone, follow no-one.

I wasn't into listening to Charlie, I did view a few of his vids an thought his pretty good one of those out there making the world wake up without being to threatening to the establishment. Guess I was wrong and I think they got to him with the same technique they always use. Shut up or we'll kill your mother, father, children, your dog and friends. Powerful incentives to make you fall into line.

Thanks for all the replies so far The truth is, NONE of us know for sure who Veitch is (me included), or what his agenda is/was.

Amongst other things, I tend to think of those student protests which he tried to take a lead in, and if I remember correctly he was trying to incite a violent riot alledgedly (I say "alledgedly" cos I am COMPLETELY speaking from memory and it happend quite a while ago now). He tried to lead the students into a riot ffs alledgedly. He labelled himself an anachist that day, and it made anarchists look like they are all violent loonies. Why did he do that ? He may be completely stupid I dont know, there could be MORE to it. He reckons that he has been in the army - Is he to be believed there. From banker, to the army ?? Hmmmm. Imo at best he is a fantasist, and at worst....well.....

A bad vibe comes off him (ie my gut instinct is to not trust him). Luckily I follow no-one, but I DO enjoy seeing people who speak out. I live within the system, unfortunately, and it looks like it's gonna stay that way until something brilliant or terrible happens. I think that I am in the same boat as 99.99999999% of you - The key then, is to be AWARE of what is happening, the rest will take care of itself. IMO There IS a MOVEMENT, an awareness movement - Just being aware is the key to this. Once we are ALL aware, do you think that this shit is gonna continue ? I am not saying that the PTB arent gonna fight tooth and nail in the most terrible way immaginable, but the awareness will solve it all.....but will the awareness come soon enough to prevent mass bloodshed ? The answer to that is "no", because it's already happening. But will it come to our doorstep. That's what we will find out soon enough.

I do still think that Veitch is working for for the PTB, it's my gut instinct, so I will go with that.

Not watched them apology videos yet, but will do probably tomorrow. Thanks for posting them feather.

Thanks for the post steevo I didn't know those things about Charlie V sounds like a plant now that you've said that.

101 views for this thread. By coincidence that is the number of the hotel room Charlie was in in NYC when he first flew over there to start work on the legendary BBC3 conspiracy road-trip documentary. This is true, there is more; I will go make a cup of tea and a sandwich then pop in the chat room if anyone is interested in learning more about all this...

I think somebody off the ILF forum met Charlie , I think it was Lyd... i think. Charlie Chins
as for me know one got to charlie , he just like the rest of those charlatan bullshit con artist
Conspirutard bullshit spreading buffonist

Thats just my Take on it

Veitch is just a normal guy on a similar journey to most of us, the way information is used as a weapon in this period determines how ineffective "spectacular" resistance is, ie traditional resistance where one of particular talent, oratory skills, energy rises from within the ranks, and encapsulates the revolution in his words and actions, I don't doubt that Guevara himself would have been rendered ineffectual if he was daily bombarded with the ideology and propaganda of the information age.

The nature of mass media and the alternative media constant proliferation of ideas, ideologies, truths, dictates that within even the most well guarded individual could reside the seed of their own destruction, like Icke with his Lizard Men, in Charlies case his original passion for 9/11 truth and so on was the key to his popularity, but it turned out to be his downfall when he discovered he was wrong, this is the nature of the information age, there are a million and one positions on any given subject, catering to almost every personal bias imaginable, even within the 9/11 truth movement there are about 4 different and hostile disagreements between how the towers actually fell.

Fragmented resistance, divide and conquer, we try and get too big I think, form our own theories of everything, like augmenting our pcs we add bits here and there to improve performance, in essence everyone with revolutionary principles shares certain fundamental attributes, whether they are people over profit motivated, whether they have common sense, whether they are more balanced logically and intuitively I don't really know, Charly and Danny definitely channeled something viable with the Love Police.

Black Cloud wrote:
G'day Black Cloud.

How are you doing mate ?

Yeah, it was Lydia that met him and his (at the time) 'princess bride', Silkie.

I found one post mentioning it (we'd talked about it on skype as well, though obviously no record of that) ...