mushy wrote:
lets say this was staged in some way (to address motive )
why ?
what has it achieved that couldnt have been achieved in any other way or time ?
it simply boggles the brain to think that some believe it concievable that a mk.ultra type operative couldve been trained or programmed
to carry out an atrocity such as this on the
basis of a "might influence gun reforms in the usa " when columbine didnt uni bomber didnt
wako didnt ,
and it looks like this wont either ,
so why do it ?,
was the motive o introduce tsa type security in public gathering spots ?
again why there is nothing to gain that i can see
from added security the public are all but fed up
with it but gov needs to be seen to take precautions for public safety if it didnt the public would be concerned surely ?
the only connection with staged shooter seems to come from those saying its for tighter gun control the evidence to backup this staged shooter is borderline laughable
the phone = an excuse to stand up and move to shooting spot or clipping on gas mask ,
but no seems more feasable that it was some signal or sinister call
the booby trapped flat=
in the rush to programme their trained killer tptb neglected to tell him to leave nothing at his flat , no they decided to train him in booby traps
aswell
again what was the point of booby trapping the flat , destroying evidence ?
surely investigators could (if they were behind it all ) simply lose evidence .
the idea this was staged is an insult to who died and are in serous conditions in hospital
or moarning a loss
the guy was caught outside gun in hand covered in evidence and thats a fact
so what was it staged for who gains
surely if staged there was a reason what was that reason and has it worked ?
So it's just
easier to accept that it was a "lone nut"? Is that it? Too much to consider otherwise? Mind control was not abandoned when the FBI released those classified documents from years ago. Cults still employ the most basic of these techniques to keep recruits in line and obeying. The military also engages in mind control to train people to kill. The CIA and other intelligence agencies are and were at the vanguard of perfecting these techniques and keep in mind, they operate outside the jurisdiction of any government or military office -- they do what they want. It's not too outlandish to suggest that this young man was part of something like this, his demeanor changed very suddenly over the last few weeks according to those who know him. Not many on here seem to be able to grasp what's in front of them with this story.... he was fully armed and armoured, and he alone supposedly booby trapped his apartment. Not your typical lone nut, it sounds like an organized terrorist action. Also the cell phone call prior to the shooting, as though someone was giving him details and giving the go ahead. He was not alone here.....
Oh, and I fail to see how trying to determine the motivation of this guy is in any way disrespectful to the dead and wounded, as though wrapping this all up with a neat little MSM story is in any way respectful to them. They may have died as a result of a black op, which is not out of the question, unless you believe Osama did 9 -11 and that kind of thing.... I remember when Ronald Reagan was shot, and the killer did it because he was "obsessed with Taxi Driver and Jodie Foster".... the MSM failed to mention in any great way just how connected John Hinckley Jr was to then Vice President George Bush. Hinckley Sr was Bush's close friend and business partner, and Jr was close with Neil Bush, growing up not 5 miles from the Bush's outside of Houston. Bush is CIA through and through.... you know, CIA? Mind control experts? A stage hypnotist can have you barking like a dog, or quacking like a duck in 30 seconds if you are susceptible -- what do you think the experts can do with the right subjects?
Oh and a reason? steevo mentioned it many posts ago. Not gun control... he said how about scanners in all public places, or a marshall at all movie theatres? Very good guess, IMO. Check this out;
ca.news.yahoo.com/shooting-raises-concer...safer-081111538.html
Shooting raises concerns at entertainment venues, but most places safer than before 9-11
ST. LOUIS - The deadly attack at a Colorado movie theatre rattled the nerves of some other moviegoers with opening weekend tickets for the new Batman film and led some cinema chains to add more guards. Experts say it's unlikely, though, that venues will implement even stricter security measures because it would significantly alter the experience going to a film, concert or game.
The early Friday attack in Aurora, Colo., at a midnight screening of the new Batman movie, "The Dark Knight Rises," left 12 people dead and dozens wounded. Authorities say the gunman apparently slipped out through an emergency exit to arm himself, then re-entered that way and opened fire on the startled audience.
The attack had a chilling effect on some ticketholders who had been eagerly awaiting what had been billed as the summer's hottest movie.
"I'm just going to keep my eyes and ears open for anything strange," 27-year-old Charlotte Kimbrell, of Belleville, Ill., said before a screening of "Dark Knight" at a theatre in nearby O'Fallon. "I'll probably be sitting all the way in back today, away from the exit doors."
It was in the back of some baseball fans' minds Friday, as well.
"I think paranoia takes over after something like that and something like today, but I think for the most part, all they can do is check your bags and hope that you're not crazy," said David Karney, of Quincy, Mich., who watched the Detroit Tigers host the Chicago White Sox. "At the end of the day, if you're crazy and want to do something, you're going to do it."
The angst is understandable after the attack, which was one of the deadliest mass shootings in recent U.S. history. But security experts say changes made at ballparks, theatres and concert venues after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have gone a long way toward making them safer.
"The problem is security is never 100 per cent," said Richard Sem, a longtime security management executive from Wisconsin who is now a consultant. "We look at what's reasonable, practical. You don't necessarily need Fort Knox to go to a Sunday afternoon baseball game."
A decade after the terrorist attacks, at ballparks and concerts, bag checks are now common when entering a venue. Sometimes, there are metal detector wand scans at sporting events. Some movie theatres already have random bag checks. But experts say that it can be a difficult choice to decide where to install additional extra measures, and note that it's no guarantee a patron will be safer with them in place.
"Are we going to put in security that might not work at every movie theatre, at every mall?" asked Derek Catsam, a history professor at the University of Texas of the Permian who studies and writes about stadium security issues. "Think of all the places you go during the day where you stand in line or are stuck in crowds. This could happen at any of those places."
At Busch Stadium in St. Louis, where the Cardinals were hosting the rival Chicago Cubs for three sold-out weekend games, security officials were on alert Friday.
"We're concerned, we're certainly saddened and we'll be extra vigilant in our regular security," said Joe Abernathy, vice-president of stadium operations.
Abernathy said there were no major security changes planned because the team feels it's already doing everything it can to keep fans safe. Police officers man stadium entrances, and there are nearly 150 security cameras at the ballpark. All bags are checked at the entrance. And costumes, in which someone might hide a weapon, aren't allowed, not even masks.
Fans have generally embraced the changes. Butch Cox, a fan at Friday's Cardinals-Cubs game, said, "If they wanted to strip search me, I could care less. If it's for the better, I'm all for it."
Richard Ballentine, of Valrico, Fla., who watched the Tampa Bay Rays host the Seattle Mariners on Friday, said he was worried that the Colorado attack would lead to airport-style metal detectors at movie theatres and stadiums.
"I'm actually of the opinion that most of those checks are a waste of time. They're reactive instead of being proactive," Ballentine said. "... The truth is terrorists will look at the things that we're doing to try to provide security and they'll look for other places that are weak spots, and they'll just adapt."
Brian McCarthy, of the National Football League, said security procedures are under constant review and are sometimes adjusted.
Last season, the league provided handheld metal detectors to its 32 teams — part of a massive security effort at NFL games and one fans don't seem to mind because they're less intrusive than pat-downs, said Bob Calderon, who oversees public safety at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis.
"They'd rather be safe than sorry," he said. "We try to reach a happy medium."
Officials at St. Louis-based Wehrenberg Theatres Inc. met before dawn Friday to consider what to do after the shooting. The chain manages 15 cinemas in Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota and Iowa. But they noted that security measures were already in place. Wehrenberg's vice-president of marketing, Kelly Hoskins, said the chain already uses off-duty uniformed and civilian-dressed police and does random checks of handbags for movie-goers.
"Sometimes you don't want it to feel like a police state," Hoskins said. "You don't want to increase security to an uncomfortable level."
Police state, extra security, off duty police checking bags...... there you go. That's why they do these things. Terrorist? I think most people understand that 9 - 11 was an inside job, even if they don't understand all of the particulars. The Reagan assassination attempt was also an inside job, as were the killings of the Kennedy's. The Oklahoma City bombing also turned out to be an inside job by a "rogue" faction of the US military. The terrorists are in positions of power.
Don't be so quick to close your mind around an MSM story because it's "easier", you're doing
yourself a disservice.
